2015 Draft a Franchise (NBA): Discussion Thread

[CalvinSmoke]

Only thing that kept me from Love is his defense. But he literally does everything else. Drummond is a good player too, can certainly build a team around him.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Turnovers are bad. They significantly hurt offense. What's not to understand about it? It doesn't matter what position he plays, his usage rate is higher than most PGs. When he turns the ball over that much it makes him not so elite.

 

Haha alright man. Turnovers are bad. We don't seem to be getting much farther than this despite an abundance of other stats, both raw and advanced, on both sides of the ball that put Cousins at or near the top of the league (and often decisively ahead of Blake). I respect your opinion, but I disagree. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Only thing that kept me from Love is his defense. .

What defense?

[CalvinSmoke]

What defense?

the one on the back of the milk cartons

[MoveThoseChains]

It was between Love and Draymond for me. With Harden already on my team, having Love would've been too much of a defensive liability. Good pick nonetheless 

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Would have taken Bledsoe with my pick if I didn't take Curry to begin with. Problem with taking a PG in the first round is that there's so much depth at the position.

Edited July 4, 2015 by BALTIMOREFLACCO

[-Truth-]

Would have taken Bledsoe with my pick if I didn't take Curry to begin with. Problem with taking a PG in the first round is that there's so much depth at the position.

 

I'm a fan of the pick as well. He's been one of Ed_Reed20's favorites since the Clipper days. Agreed on the latter.

[Gordo52]

Thanks for the Love, love. I think he & Russell would play great together. He's the perfect guy to hook up to a superstar and be the clear 2nd option. D's not too good but oh well.....

Happy 4th to my fellow Mericans

[beanfigger]

Thanks for the Love, love. I think he & Russell would play great together. He's the perfect guy to hook up to a superstar and be the clear 2nd option. D's not too good but oh well.....

Happy 4th to my fellow Mericans

Before last season, he would have been a first round pick, maybe top five. Everyone knows he is capable of 24-12 any night he wants if he is the number one forward on the team. I think he dropped way too far in this draft after having a less-than-record-setting season for once with a brand new team.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Before last season, he would have been a first round pick, maybe top five. Everyone knows he is capable of 24-12 any night he wants if he is the number one forward on the team. I think he dropped way too far in this draft after having a less-than-record-setting season for once with a brand new team.

Actually I only took Wiggins over him for his ceiling. Wiggins in a year or two might be the best SG in the NBA.

Love also doesn't play defense.

Love in my eyes is the third best PF. But his lack of defense goes against what I'm trying to build

[MoveThoseChains]

Yeah I thought Harden and Love would be a nice 1-2, but that defense would be poor. Also, now that he's the second/third man with his stats down, I didn't want to hypothetically assume he's back to 20-12 in this game compared to 16-10 in real life. Only had Green in front for his versatility, defense, and intangibles

Edited July 4, 2015 by MoveThoseChains

[Mt. Crushmore]

I'm not a big NBA guy, but I'm pretty surprised to see one player still on the board.

[MoveThoseChains]

I'm not a big NBA guy, but I'm pretty surprised to see one player still on the board.

 

I am 99.9% sure I know who you're talking about

[Mt. Crushmore]

I am 99.9% sure I know who you're talking about

 

I feel like it is obvious if you look through names.  The only NBA I watched this season was the finals though, so his play could have fallen off a bit.

[gabefergy]

Haha alright man. Turnovers are bad. We don't seem to be getting much farther than this despite an abundance of other stats, both raw and advanced, on both sides of the ball that put Cousins at or near the top of the league (and often decisively ahead of Blake). I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

I already demonstrated the differential in offensive ouput between them. Cousins is a better defensive player, and Blake is the better player on offense. If you like defense take Cousins, if you like offense take Blake. I like the offensive player who has far more of a track record. I don't think there is a huge difference between them.

[beanfigger]

Yeah I thought Harden and Love would be a nice 1-2, but that defense would be poor. Also, now that he's the second/third man with his stats down, I didn't want to hypothetically assume he's back to 20-12 in this game compared to 16-10 in real life. Only had Green in front for his versatility, defense, and intangibles

This entire game is hypothetical. But anyway, there's nothing hypothetical about Love being 24-12. That's a known fact that he is more than capable of that if that's what he is asked to do. Green pick was solid, though. He had a great year and is looking up for the future.

[beanfigger]

I already demonstrated the differential in offensive ouput between them. Cousins is a better defensive player, and Blake is the better player on offense. If you like defense take Cousins, if you like offense take Blake. I like the offensive player who has far more of a track record. I don't think there is a huge difference between them.

I pretty much agree with this. I don't understand "far more of a track record" since they both have five seasons, but offense vs defense seems fair when comparing two players this close.

[-Truth-]

This entire game is hypothetical. But anyway, there's nothing hypothetical about Love being 24-12. That's a known fact that he is more than capable of that if that's what he is asked to do. Green pick was solid, though. He had a great year and is looking up for the future.

 

I agree with regards to Love. In a situation where he isn't the third most utilized player on the team, I'd expect his numbers to be close to what they were in Minnesota. His usage rate dropped by an entire quarter from what it was in the three years prior so the dip in numbers was understandable. I don't think it reflects a loss of ability per se.

[gabefergy]

I pretty much agree with this. I don't understand "far more of a track record" since they both have five seasons, but offense vs defense seems fair when comparing two players this close.

Basically just pointing to Blake having more of an immediate impact in the league. He was an All-Star, and a deserving one, as soon as he hit the NBA. It took Cousins a couple seasons to figure it out, and credit to him for making marked imorovements.

[-Truth-]

The skip will occur in a little over 3 and a half hours.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I feel like it is obvious if you look through names. The only NBA I watched this season was the finals though, so his play could have fallen off a bit.

Barry Church doesn't play basketball....

What? I've been watching your other game

[BmoreBird22]

I know nothing about basketball outside of the basics, so when I come in here seeing all these advanced stats and all these discussions about offensive/defensive game plans and what not I'm just like, "Yep, I've got two guys..."

[-Truth-]

Sorry, internet has been horrid today. Keeps turning off and on.

 

You'll be on the clock in an hour.

[beanfigger]

I know nothing about basketball outside of the basics, so when I come in here seeing all these advanced stats and all these discussions about offensive/defensive game plans and what not I'm just like, "Yep, I've got two guys..."

Advanced stats... People love them, but they are just another stat. Learn if you are into that kind of stuff, but they don't correlate to much more than being an analyst's favorite. To put it in perspective, my 76ers were named the team most invested in analytics in all of team sports. That should show you how important they are in terms of helping create wins. What stats you pay attention to and care about is all opinion. No stats alone convey facts.

[-Truth-]

10 minutes until the skip.

[-Truth-]

Sorry, internet has been horrid today. Keeps turning off and on.

 

You are on the clock.

Edited July 5, 2015 by -Truth-

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Smush Parker PG

Johnny Flynn PG

Kwame "the GOAT" Brown PF

Carmelo Anthony(Even if he's already gone) SF

Darko Millic PF

Hasheem Thabeet C

Calvinsmokes big board revealed! I knew it!!!!

Note: Before anyone loses it all of these players are either taken or out of the league because they're bad or retired

Edited July 5, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[-Truth-]

A disappearing act by Challenge Accepted. He was in The Draft thread at the time of the skip. Wonder what happened there. Either way, the front of the order has moved painfully slow.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

If this game took place before the All Star Break, Lowry would probably already be off of the board. He had a rough second half, but good value here nonetheless. 

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Someone want my board just in case?