2015 Draft a Franchise (NBA): Discussion Thread

[-Truth-]

Someone want my board just in case?

I'll take it.

[CalvinSmoke]

Calvinsmokes big board revealed! I knew it!!!!

Note: Before anyone loses it all of these players are either taken or out of the league because they're bad or retired

your forgot my potential MVP in Adam Morrison. But yea... you caught me 

[BmoreBird22]

Advanced stats... People love them, but they are just another stat. Learn if you are into that kind of stuff, but they don't correlate to much more than being an analyst's favorite. To put it in perspective, my 76ers were named the team most invested in analytics in all of team sports. That should show you how important they are in terms of helping create wins. What stats you pay attention to and care about is all opinion. No stats alone convey facts.

I'm very confused with the 49ers first pick. That three big man rotation is either a trade bait scenario or the front office is dumb.

[beanfigger]

I'm very confused with the 49ers first pick. That three big man rotation is either a trade bait scenario or the front office is dumb.

I assume you mean "76ers", and the reasoning for the pick is BPA. One of those three bigs is completely unknown because of injury. I doubt they all stick around more than a year, but we have to see who is worth staying long term and what the trade value for each can become. We certainly wanted another guy, but the lottery balls and picks didn't go our way. Rather than panic and reach for a guard, we just took a guy who made end up being better than any other bigs on the team that maybe we can build around. I'm far less upset about the draft this year than last. We wanted Wiggins bad, and the guy we got is, well, still walking around with a boot.

Edited July 5, 2015 by beanfigger

[BmoreBird22]

I assume you mean "76ers", and the reasoning for the pick is BPA. One of those three bigs is completely unknown because of injury. I doubt they all stick around more than a year, but we have to see who is worth staying long term and what the trade value for each can become. We certainly wanted Russell, but the lottery balls and picks didn't go our way. Rather than panic and reach for another guard, we just took a guy who made end up being better than any other bigs on the team that maybe we can build around. I'm far less upset about the draft this year than last. We wanted Wiggins bad, and Embiid is, well, still walking around with a boot.

Didn't mean to neg, but I would have expected the rookie to have a great year if he weren't in a tight situation player wise. I know that one who was just coming off an injury showed a lot of promise in the second half of the year and the other one could get healthy and then that creates some issues. Did they even try to trade back?

I did mean 76ers. Football forum and all

[beanfigger]

Didn't mean to neg, but I would have expected the rookie to have a great year if he weren't in a tight situation player wise. I know that one who was just coming off an injury showed a lot of promise in the second half of the year and the other one could get healthy and then that creates some issues. Did they even try to trade back?

I did mean 76ers. Football forum and all

I don't think *rookie* will have any issue finding his place and playing well with us. He has a completely different skill set than the other two. He is coming in as a better offensive player than the other two already. *injured player* is the odd man out. He may never fully recover from his injury and might not even play this season again. I just hope somebody wants him enough to give up anything usable in a trade. If nothing else, we should own the glass this season.

Edited July 5, 2015 by beanfigger

[Mt. Crushmore]

Dwight was the player I was talking about. LeBron, Dwight and Ibaka will be a force.

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I was hoping that Ibaka would fall but knew it'd be unrealistic. That's one hell of a defensive front court.

[-Truth-]

I don't think ______ will have any issue finding his place and playing well with us. He has a completely different skill set than the other two. He is coming in as a better offensive player than ____ and _____ already. _____ is the odd man out. He may never fully recover from his injury and might not even play this season again. I just hope somebody wants him enough to give up anything usable in a trade. If nothing else, we should own the glass this season.

I know you're not a part of the process but we've got a rule here that we don't mention available players by name so I'm giving you the heads up.

Edited July 5, 2015 by -Truth-

[beanfigger]

I know you're not a part of the process but we've got a rule here that we don't mention available players by name so I'm giving you the heads up.

 

Fixed. I guess I didn't realize any of the Sixers would be considered by the drafters here.

[-Truth-]

Fixed. I guess I didn't realize any of the Sixers would be considered by the drafters here.

Thank you. You'd be surprised.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Advanced stats... People love them, but they are just another stat. Learn if you are into that kind of stuff, but they don't correlate to much more than being an analyst's favorite. To put it in perspective, my 76ers were named the team most invested in analytics in all of team sports. That should show you how important they are in terms of helping create wins. What stats you pay attention to and care about is all opinion. No stats alone convey facts.

 

Who are you, Charles Barkley? 

 

Analytics didn't hold the 76ers back, the fact that they're tanking did. The 76ers actually have one of the more interesting systems in the league with Brett Brown, they just have no offensive talent. 

 

Look at the rest of the teams who are known for emphasizing analytics in their gameplans and talent evaluation: Spurs, Rockets, Mavericks, Celtics, Warriors and Hawks. 

 

The Spurs are the real pioneers of analytics, and I'd say it works pretty well for them. 

 

Analytics are a major part of basketball whether people like it or not. 

Edited July 5, 2015 by BALTIMOREFLACCO

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Dwight was the player I was talking about. LeBron, Dwight and Ibaka will be a force.

 

Dwight was unable to stay healthy pretty much the whole year, but when he played in the playoffs he was excellent for the most part. 

 

That's a heck of a front line defensively.

[gabefergy]

Serge seems like a great value here. He's one of the best off the ball defenders in the league and he can stretch the floor on offense.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

[MoveThoseChains]

Other guys I was considering were Ibaka and Dwight. Two good value picks there, to go along with LeBron. That's a good start. 

[Mt. Crushmore]

Dwight was unable to stay healthy pretty much the whole year, but when he played in the playoffs he was excellent for the most part.

That's a heck of a front line defensively.

Gotcha. As I said earlier, the only NBA I watched this year was the finals.

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Gotcha. As I said earlier, the only NBA I watched this year was the finals.

same here. Thankfully, im drafting well. But now im going to have to start drafting guys i've never seen play

[BmoreBird22]

same here. Thankfully, im drafting well. But now im going to have to start drafting guys i've never seen play

That's most of my picks, for sure

[-Truth-]

I felt like the pick should have looked a little something like this.

Wrong thread.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Will take big boards so game moves faster

[Mt. Crushmore]

same here. Thankfully, im drafting well. But now im going to have to start drafting guys i've never seen play

That was me last year. I kinda used my NBA2K experience.

[-Truth-]

same here. Thankfully, im drafting well. But now im going to have to start drafting guys i've never seen play

You're off to a hell of a start by the way.

[BmoreBird22]

Wrong thread.

So it is... I'll move that in a bit

[beanfigger]

Who are you, Charles Barkley?

Analytics didn't hold the 76ers back, the fact that they're tanking did. The 76ers actually have one of the more interesting systems in the league with Brett Brown, they just have no offensive talent.

Look at the rest of the teams who are known for emphasizing analytics in their gameplans and talent evaluation: Spurs, Rockets, Mavericks, Celtics, Warriors and Hawks.

The Spurs are the real pioneers of analytics, and I'd say it works pretty well for them.

Analytics are a major part of basketball whether people like it or not.

Where did I say I don't like them? I simply said they aren't the end-all-be-all of value and measuring success. When taken along with other factors, they can be helpful, but they are still just one thing to look at. When people offer advanced stats as proof that someone is better than someone else, that's when I have a problem. And the Spurs didn't need advanced stats to know Tim Duncan was worth the first overall pick when they won the lottery. Analytics have helped them maintain success over the years, but they aren't the one and only reason why they are good.

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So it is... I'll move that in a bit

It's a very easy mistake to make given that the threads are separated by a few characters and that both hover near the top.

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You're off to a hell of a start by the way.

thanks, lol. But looking back I think Anthony Davis would've been the better pick. Oh well.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

thanks, lol. But looking back I think Anthony Davis would've been the better pick. Oh well.

Lebron would win the next 5 champsionships if he had Howard(as overrated next to true NBA greats as I think he is, he's still very good), and Ibaka next to him.

That's a LOL front court(courtesy of Truth)

[-Truth-]

thanks, lol. But looking back I think Anthony Davis would've been the better pick. Oh well.

No problem. If it makes you feel better, that's a debatable point. You can absolutely argue in favor of Davis. I'm extremely high on Davis and I believe that he can easily be the best player in the NBA over these next few years. But James offers just as unique of a skill-set, especially in that he's a fantastic distributor, which gives you flexibility in the back court. I also feel that the wings are tougher to come by than elite big men, especially since I nabbed two off the board, and the best two went at the top of the first. The argument could be made both ways in my eyes.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Where did I say I don't like them? I simply said they aren't the end-all-be-all of value and measuring success. When taken along with other factors, they can be helpful, but they are still just one thing to look at. When people offer advanced stats as proof that someone is better than someone else, that's when I have a problem. And the Spurs didn't need advanced stats to know Tim Duncan was worth the first overall pick when they won the lottery. Analytics have helped them maintain success over the years, but they aren't the one and only reason why they are good.

I was referring to when you said that they are little more than an analyst's tool. They are very much a tool for NBA front offices and coaching staffs, hence the ridiculous money that went into SportVU.