Dennis Pitta

[K-Dog]

Too bad Perriman doesn't have his desire

Just curious as to how you know either players level of desire.

[The Mom Gene]

I think we are getting far ahead of ourselves with Pitta.  To answer your question though, I think there is a good chance that we would keep 4 TE's or we would trade/release Pitta.  Another thought would be that Williams, Boyle and Juice would be competing for 2 spots.  I don't believe Juice's spot is safe next year, especially if Pitta comes back and we have 4 capable tight ends.

 

No way we get rid of Maxx Williams, he is a second round pick and tight ends usually don't produce until year 2 or 3

Agree...  if he can't go, do we keep him as a coach???

[Ravens2343]

Agree...  if he can't go, do we keep him as a coach???

 

It would be nice to keep him on as a coach, but that would probably be entirely up to him.  I don't think Angulo deserves to be fired, but maybe we could bring Pitta on as an offensive coaching intern.  Promoting a former player to a position coach immediately after he retires is probably farfetched to say the least.  All I know is Gilmore, Williams and Boyle are not going anywhere no matter what happens to Pitta, the FO operated last offseason as if Pitta would never play again.  I believe that's how we should operate as along Pitta is under contract for the Ravens

[redlobster]

Lol,

 

I just read two posts that talked about Williams and Boyle possibly competing for a spot. There is 0% chance that either are not on the team next year, with the exception of a large run-in with the law or career ending injury.

[Ravens2343]

Lol,

 

I just read two posts that talked about Williams and Boyle possibly competing for a spot. There is 0% chance that either are not on the team next year, with the exception of a large run-in with the law or career ending injury.

 

Williams and Boyle are here to stay regardless if Pitta comes back and tears it up.  The most likely scenario in this whole situation is we release, he retires or we trade Pitta.  IF, and that's a big IF, he comes back healthy and produces then I believe Juice would be on the hot seat.  Williams and Boyle both took snaps in an H-back role in the preseason, something both look capable of filling.

[The Mom Gene]

Williams and Boyle are here to stay regardless if Pitta comes back and tears it up.  The most likely scenario in this whole situation is we release, he retires or we trade Pitta.  IF, and that's a big IF, he comes back healthy and produces then I believe Juice would be on the hot seat.  Williams and Boyle both took snaps in an H-back role in the preseason, something both look capable of filling.

---^. That's more likely the scenario.

[Static]

Whos ready for SSS and four TEs Sets?

[Drew P]

Whos ready for SSS and four TEs Sets?

 

Nice, send Marlon packing to make room

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

We sure could use another pass catcher. I think all of us just don't want Dennis to rush back pre-maturely before he is totally healed and up to 100% strength.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Whos ready for SSS and four TEs Sets?

Makes the most sense Static out of all of the pass catchers SSS and the TE along with Juice have looked the best. I would personally I would like to see more of Ross and Givens to see what they can do along side SSS. Aiken and Brown just remind me too much of Doss when he had his chance to step up. Sorry but they just don't seem to want it.

[January J]

Marlons gotta go. Rather have Daniel brown out there than him.

Would be awesome to see 4 tight ends on the field with Steve. Heck Why not ?

[Purple_ICE 81]

Im still holding out hope that he returns although it seems like he's got the whole world doubting him, I think Pitta will make a return.

I think he's got 3 weeks now to be activated or he gets put on IR, so hopefully everything goes smoothly and be can be able to return to us...lord knows we need all the help we can get at this point.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Whos ready for SSS and four TEs Sets?

Hahahaha

[PurpleCity5]

Marlons gotta go. Rather have Daniel brown out there than him.

Would be awesome to see 4 tight ends on the field with Steve. Heck Why not ?

Yeah dude, I wouldn't even rule out cutting him now. I think he's an overall good character, a good guy but at the same time he really isn't that good. In fact I don't even think he should be starting even with the WRs we have now.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Harbaugh said not to read too much into it that he is practicing. Most people seem to think that they are just seeing where he is at and that doctors have yet to clear him for contact.

Probably won't see him until the end of the year if at all.

He's practicing which means he's been cleared for contact already.

My guess is he's coming back. No sense in shutting it down for the year. If he's not ready to come back in the next 3 weeks he won't ever be.

Last time he came back in about 4 months. It's been a year now. From a healing stand point another year makes no difference. He either comes back in the next 3 weeks or he retires.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

We sure could use another pass catcher. I think all of us just don't want Dennis to rush back pre-maturely before he is totally healed and up to 100% strength.

Last time he came back in 4 months. It's now been a year. Physically it won't make much of a difference coming back now or next year... It's only a matter of the mental aspect. If he goes on IR it's not like he can practice and get used to hitting and all that.

The only positive for him to shut it down would be to have a full offseason and TC before going into a game, but 3 weeks of practice is more than enough to get used to getting hit again.

I think it's now or never. He comes back now or we'll see him retire in the offseason.

[52liveforever]

I love pitta and I really think we will undoubtedly need him following this year. Multiple ways I can see this going down and being a good thing.

#1 Throw him at wide receiver. This will allow him to lose weight which will be less weight he's carrying around on his hip and not having to go against defensive lineman and linebackers all the time. In Jim Caldwells offense he played out wide a lot and that began conversation of him possibly going after wide receiver money as I mentioned in another topic. He would no doubt be better than Aiken or Brown. When we lose SSS we will need a possession guy. BP gives us the deep threat so they would compliment eachother.

#2 Run double tight end sets all game long. With a rotation of Gilmore, Pitta, Maxx, and Boyle we will keep good fresh tight ends on the field at tight end. Our tight ends are better than our receivers so why not. If we run it consistently it will become a guessing game as to whether we are running or passing. The running game will benefit a lot from this and I think that will in return help the passing game.

[Moderator 3]

I love pitta and I really think we will undoubtedly need him following this year. Multiple ways I can see this going down and being a good thing.

#1 Throw him at wide receiver. This will allow him to lose weight which will be less weight he's carrying around on his hip and not having to go against defensive lineman and linebackers all the time. In Jim Caldwells offense he played out wide a lot and that began conversation of him possibly going after wide receiver money as I mentioned in another topic. He would no doubt be better than Aiken or Brown. When we lose SSS we will need a possession guy. BP gives us the deep threat so they would compliment each other.

Did you see any of the clips of him practicing? It looks like he already lost weight. I thought he looked downright skinny.

[Tru11]

the last thing we need this season is this guy getting injured again.

[usmccharles]

I love pitta and I really think we will undoubtedly need him following this year. Multiple ways I can see this going down and being a good thing.

#1 Throw him at wide receiver. This will allow him to lose weight which will be less weight he's carrying around on his hip and not having to go against defensive lineman and linebackers all the time. In Jim Caldwells offense he played out wide a lot and that began conversation of him possibly going after wide receiver money as I mentioned in another topic. He would no doubt be better than Aiken or Brown. When we lose SSS we will need a possession guy. BP gives us the deep threat so they would compliment eachother.

#2 Run double tight end sets all game long. With a rotation of Gilmore, Pitta, Maxx, and Boyle we will keep good fresh tight ends on the field at tight end. Our tight ends are better than our receivers so why not. If we run it consistently it will become a guessing game as to whether we are running or passing. The running game will benefit a lot from this and I think that will in return help the passing game.

#1- so taking him off the line against big DL's and LB's and instead throwing him into the open field with high speed cb's flying at him is better? I dont think so.  If hes going to get hurt, hes going to get hurt, you cant gameplan around an injury for an injury proned guy.  (just making that point) But i actually was thinking this as well and thought he could be a good posession type WR, i wonder what his speed is compared to say...Boldin?

 

#2 i was actually thinking something on the same premise.  We will have 4 TE's that are capable of producing next year, we dont know to what extent but they all have shown flashes.  Maybe have Max run the slot or something?  I think we will need to get creative with our TEs since we have far more talent in that position than WR, we have a good OC to get creative with this talent. 

[Ravens2343]

#1- so taking him off the line against big DL's and LB's and instead throwing him into the open field with high speed cb's flying at him is better? I dont think so.  If hes going to get hurt, hes going to get hurt, you cant gameplan around an injury for an injury proned guy.  (just making that point) But i actually was thinking this as well and thought he could be a good posession type WR, i wonder what his speed is compared to say...Boldin?

 

#2 i was actually thinking something on the same premise.  We will have 4 TE's that are capable of producing next year, we dont know to what extent but they all have shown flashes.  Maybe have Max run the slot or something?  I think we will need to get creative with our TEs since we have far more talent in that position than WR, we have a good OC to get creative with this talent. 

 

I agree that changing positions for Pitta will not make a difference whatsoever in regards to him getting injured again.  It pains me to say it because he is one of my favorite players, but it is highly unlikely he is on the 53 man roster come next season.  Even if he returns healthy this season and plays well we will almost certainly look to trade him or even release him.  We have invested draft picks and valuable snaps into Gilmore, Williams and Boyle to where these guys are our future at tight end.  IF some how Pitta convinces this FO to keep him, then I think Juice would be looking at possibly losing his roster spot.

[usmccharles]

I agree that changing positions for Pitta will not make a difference whatsoever in regards to him getting injured again.  It pains me to say it because he is one of my favorite players, but it is highly unlikely he is on the 53 man roster come next season.  Even if he returns healthy this season and plays well we will almost certainly look to trade him or even release him.  We have invested draft picks and valuable snaps into Gilmore, Williams and Boyle to where these guys are our future at tight end.  IF some how Pitta convinces this FO to keep him, then I think Juice would be looking at possibly losing his roster spot.

How much money would we save cutting him?  I mean if its worth it i think its a no brainer when we have younger talent that have shown already they can perform. 

[Ravens2343]

How much money would we save cutting him?  I mean if its worth it i think its a no brainer when we have younger talent that have shown already they can perform. 

 

If we designate Pitta as a post-June 1st cut then we would save 5 million in cap space and incur 2.2 million in "dead money".  Brian McFarland posted an article detailing all the cap information and it is really helpful in determining the outcome of such moves.  Here is a chart he posted detailing what will happen if we release a player or they retire. 

 

Here is the link to the entire article, its a great read!  http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/10/22/baltimore-ravens-salary-cap/ravens-2016-salary-cap-preview/

 

Edited October 22, 2015 by Ravens2343

[usmccharles]

If we designate Pitta as a post-June 1st cut then we would save 5 million in cap space and incur 2.2 million in "dead money".  Brian McFarland posted an article detailing all the cap information and it is really helpful in determining the outcome of such moves.  Here is a chart he posted detailing what will happen if we release a player or they retire. 

 

Here is the link to the entire article, its a great read!  http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/10/22/baltimore-ravens-salary-cap/ravens-2016-salary-cap-preview/

 

 

That could go a long way in free agency.  I think the pro's outweigh the cons there

[Ravens2343]

That could go a long way in free agency.  I think the pro's outweigh the cons there

 

Looking at that chart I could see us parting with Pitta, Webb, Daryl Smith, Arrington, Lewis and Levine.  SSS will retire coupled with our releases and we could free up quite a bit of cap room.  The only problem is we would push some dead money into 2017 and that could cripple us again, but the rising cap should help mitigate some of that burden

[January J]

How much money would we save cutting him? I mean if its worth it i think its a no brainer when we have younger talent that have shown already they can perform.

sucks to say it but I'm with you. Never thought I'd be sayin it. Unless he comes back and lights it up , he's more of a liability. sad reality. I'd be more than happy if we decided to keep 4, but that's something I believe we've never done. But we've also never had 4 of that caliber either. Endless potential with this group. Edited October 22, 2015 by January J

[52liveforever]

#1- so taking him off the line against big DL's and LB's and instead throwing him into the open field with high speed cb's flying at him is better? I dont think so. If hes going to get hurt, hes going to get hurt, you cant gameplan around an injury for an injury proned guy. (just making that point) But i actually was thinking this as well and thought he could be a good posession type WR, i wonder what his speed is compared to say...Boldin?

#2 i was actually thinking something on the same premise. We will have 4 TE's that are capable of producing next year, we dont know to what extent but they all have shown flashes. Maybe have Max run the slot or something? I think we will need to get creative with our TEs since we have far more talent in that position than WR, we have a good OC to get creative with this talent.

As far as speed I would think he's probably comparable to boldin, but he's gotta be faster than Hines.

[52liveforever]

sucks to say it but I'm with you. Never thought I'd be sayin it. Unless he comes back and lights it up , he's more of a liability. sad reality. I'd be more than happy if we decided to keep 4, but that's something I believe we've never done. But we've also never had 4 of that caliber either. Endless potential with this group.

I mean with the four tight ends we have I would rather keep four tight ends than 5 wide receivers. Tight ends can always line up out wide where as your not going to be seeing one of our wide receivers at tight end. Put the best players on the field and create some flexibility.

[CorvusCorax]

OMG Kendrick Lewis OVERPAID in Dead money!! 

 

 

Right now it makes sense to assess how Pitta can be utilized in this Offense. We need Playmakers. We all know Pitta is that kind of guy. Yeah it looks odd having 4 TEs on the roster, but we need weapons. Pitta can be utilized in the slot or even out wide for scheming. 

Edited October 22, 2015 by CorvusCorax

[52liveforever]

#1- so taking him off the line against big DL's and LB's and instead throwing him into the open field with high speed cb's flying at him is better? I dont think so. If hes going to get hurt, hes going to get hurt, you cant gameplan around an injury for an injury proned guy. (just making that point) But i actually was thinking this as well and thought he could be a good posession type WR, i wonder what his speed is compared to say...Boldin?

#2 i was actually thinking something on the same premise. We will have 4 TE's that are capable of producing next year, we dont know to what extent but they all have shown flashes. Maybe have Max run the slot or something? I think we will need to get creative with our TEs since we have far more talent in that position than WR, we have a good OC to get creative with this talent.

I agree the potential for injury will still be there. I was just thinking of him exploding and jamming those big guys is definitely not ideal for a hip which is where all that explosion comes from and absorbs all of the force from jamming those big guys coming at him. Just the nature of his injury and the position I think wide receiver is the lesser of two evils. He is still at great risk either way. If I was him I

would be looking at any way to minimize the risk even if it's by a marginal percentage.