Dean Pees NFL.com Coordinator Ranking

[BmoreBird22]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000498592/article/ranking-the-top-20-coordinators-across-the-nfl-who-is-no-1

Dean Pees ranks 12th in the entire league out of 96 coordinators (64 if you count only the relevant ones).

I realize people will continue to criticize him and bash him, but he clearly deserves credit and he's getting it outside the Ravens community

[Willbacker]

Its interesting to note that Teryl Austin is ranked 8th.

[berad]

He deserves credit but that doesn't mean everything he does is iron-clad. He can be criticized, just like anyone on the team (including Flacco before someone QQs)

[arnie_uk]

Doesn't change my mind that hes the weakest link on this squad. Moreso than any position imo

[GrimCoconut]

Please correct the title. Lol. I can't be the only one who noticed this.

Edited June 25, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[K-Dog]

Please correct the title. Lol. I can't be the only one who noticed this.

I saw it and felt embarrassed for the OP.

[The Raven]

Fair ranking. He's far from bad but he's not top ten either. 

Edited June 25, 2015 by The Raven

[kassaiscool]

To me he is ok. Out of all the Ravens Defensive coordinators, I would put him behind Rex Ryan, Marvin Lewis, and possibly Mike Nolan. I don't think hes to innovating or can really get the troops behind him, but he can do the job effectively. I really miss those days when the Ravens had so many exotic blitzes where teams would be scared of the scheme and on top of that all the talent we had.

[sflegend89]

Doesn't change my mind that hes the weakest link on this squad. Moreso than any position imo

 

Definitely have to disagree with that. Pees isn't as aggressive with the blitzing as a Rex Ryan or Chuck Pagano but he is a top 10 DC in the league. Very intelligent, get's the most out of his players, consistently game plans well for opposing offenses. I thought he did a phenomenal job game planning especially for Pitt and Cheatriots in the playoffs last year. You can't blame Pees for our absolutely depleted secondary. Nobody's game plan stifled the Pats offense in the postseason last year as much as Pees' did and that includes Dan Quinn with far more to work with personnel wise and he's now a HC in Atlanta.

 

When you look at the Cheatriots scoring drives in that game the fault was in the players execution and not the game plan itself. Ridiculous trickery that preyed on the inexperience of guys like Rashaan Melvin who had no business starting in a game of that magnitude at that point in his career and was forced to due to injury. Plus the absurd ineligible receiver plays that are now illegal and were next to impossible to predict and game plan for. 

 

Pees is over criticized by our fan base, people have a hard time separating player execution from the coaching/scheme. Guys miss tackles, blow coverages, or get beat 1 on 1, and somehow the coordinator ends up being the scapegoat. That never made sense to me. Pees is far from perfect, his lack of aggression frustrates me at times, but at the end of the day I'm very happy to have him in Baltimore and appreciate what he brings to the table. 

Edited June 25, 2015 by sflegend89

[Ravenseconbeast]

Doesn't change my mind that hes the weakest link on this squad. Moreso than any position imo

Please explain. I think he has a great mind. I don't know a D coord that is as versatile as Pees.

Just think about the group of men he had since he has been here. He had so many different group of men and coaches walk off the team. Dean is good.

Edited June 25, 2015 by Ravenseconbeast

[ravensdfan]

Doesn't change my mind that hes the weakest link on this squad. Moreso than any position imo

 

Agreed. Still the weakest link and this ranking doesn't validate the genuis claims & the whole "he's playing chess and Rex played checkers" crapola.

[The Raven]

If you think Pees was the weakest link this past season then I implore you to get glasses because you clearly couldn't see how our secondary was in shambles.

[K-Dog]

Swiss cheese secondary.

There is no greater counter point than that.

[Cillmatic]

Doesn't change my mind that hes the weakest link on this squad. Moreso than any position imo

He turned a defense with virtually no secondary into a top 10 defense, what more do you want? A top 5 defense with no D-line?!

[Bltravens]

He turned a defense with virtually no secondary into a top 10 defense, what more do you want? A top 5 defense with no D-line?!

That would be innovative.

[Tru11]

the ravens community pretty much runs with double standards so dont expect them to change their stand on Pees or other less liked persons.

 

Pees could have the #1 record breaking defense and yet when we lose a game by an offense turnover turned into points,they would still argue the defense gives up to many points so pees must be fired even though they where not on the field at the time of the score.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

I'd take this more seriously if it was done by any one else at NFL.com besides Bucky Brooks.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Alot of people are honing in on the fact that our defense finished top ten last year,but our defense finished #3rd overall and #10 overall during Greg Mattison's 2 years.He had Foxxworth,Washington and Walker at CB and less talent in the front seven when he did it too.If Pees is a genius playing chess then Mattison must've been godly in the eyes of you all.

Edited June 26, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[Ravensfan23]

if Dean Pees had a healthy cast during his tenure here as DC he would already be a HC by now. He is a respected coach with a great mind and teaches well. However because of major injuries people don't see just how good Pees is as a overall coach. It's not just injuries that Pees has dealt with, it's injuries to big name, big money, big time performers, that he's dealt with. I won't sit here and act as if he's the greatest DC and without flaw because I feel the offense has carried this team for the past 4-5 years when it's mattered most. But seeing names like Lewis, Reed, Webb, Smith and Ngata consistently on the injury report or IR at some point is a tough thing to deal with. Then you have the backups to the backups starting because of more injury is just crazy. 

 

I don't know and can't say how good Pees is overall but I just want to see the guy work with a healthy defense. This same fan base wanted to run Juan Castillo out of town when he was forced to work with a injury rattled oline, then once the oline got healthy, you don't hear anything about Juan. Any coach is only as good as the players he gets to work with. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Pees is not a bad DC I just wish at times he would take more chances. But being that these rankings came from  NFL.com It has no bearing because they along with NFL network have ABSOLUTLY NO RESPECT OR LOVE FOR OUR RAVENS  I mean when you have guys like J. Dukes and H. Evans giving their opinions you know no intelligence was put into their thoughts before they made their opinion. Remember our last Super Bowl run Even at home agains Luck and the Colts NFL.com was predicting a Raven loss and R.Lewis retirement sooner rather than later. Then same thing with Broncos and Patriots. These guys (NFL.com  or NFL network) just dont have what it takes when they rank or select people for who's best or worse.

Edited June 26, 2015 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[Tru11]

Alot of people are honing in on the fact that our defense finished top ten last year,but our defense finished #3rd overall and #10 overall during Greg Mattison's 2 years.He had Foxxworth,Washington and Walker at CB and less talent in the front seven when he did it too.If Pees is a genius playing chess then Mattison must've been godly in the eyes of you all.

 

2009: ngata edwards gregg

JJ lewis mcclain/gooden suggs

washington foxworth

reed landry

 

front 7 less talent?

secondary less talent?

 

2008 Ngata Pryce and bannan

JJ lewis scott suggs

rolle washington

reed leonhard.

 

front 7 less talent?

secondary less talent?

 

id argue reed and lewis alone make these 2 units more talented.

thrown in a young ngata and suggs, a guy like JJ, bart scott , rolle , landry, pryce , Gregg.

 

find it hard to argue last years team had more talent lol

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

2009: ngata edwards gregg

JJ lewis mcclain/gooden suggs

washington foxworth

reed landry

 

front 7 less talent?

secondary less talent?

 

2008 Ngata Pryce and bannan

JJ lewis scott suggs

rolle washington

reed leonhard.

 

front 7 less talent?

secondary less talent?

 

id argue reed and lewis alone make these 2 units more talented.

thrown in a young ngata and suggs, a guy like JJ, bart scott , rolle , landry, pryce , Gregg.

 

find it hard to argue last years team had more talent lol

 

Mattison was our DC in 2009 and 2010.

 

Ngata was a better player back then than he was with Pees,but Pryce and Gregg were at the end of the road in their careers and Edwards was never the player he is now in Carolina when he was with us.He was a bust here.Pees has had Williams,Canty,Jernigan,Jones and McPhee.Our D line from last year was WAY better than the any D Line Mattison had.Our LB corp from last year was better than it was in 2009 and 2010 too.Dumervil,Suggs and Upshaw > Suggs and Johnson.Smith and Mosley > Lewis and McClain/Gooden.Secondary wise we had better safeties with Mattison but Washington,Foxxworth and Walker were horrible.We had Webb back then but he didn't breakout until year 3.The only bright spot we had CB wise during Mattisons years was Josh Wilson.

[Tru11]

Mattison was our DC in 2009 and 2010.

 

Ngata was a better player back then than he was with Pees,but Pryce and Gregg were at the end of the road in their careers and Edwards was never the player he is now in Carolina when he was with us.He was a bust here.Pees has had Williams,Canty,Jernigan,Jones and McPhee.Our D line from last year was WAY better than the any D Line Mattison had.Our LB corp from last year was better than it was in 2009 and 2010 too.Dumervil,Suggs and Upshaw > Suggs and Johnson.Smith and Mosley > Lewis and McClain/Gooden.Secondary wise we had better safeties with Mattison but Washington,Foxxworth and Walker were horrible.We had Webb back then but he didn't breakout until year 3.The only bright spot we had CB wise during Mattisons years was Josh Wilson.

2010 the only changes where redding for edwards and carr wilson at CB.

 

i find it amusing the only bright spot you can find is wilson lol.

 

id say a young primed ngata.

a still going strong lewis and a 32 year old reed where some pretty huge bright spots as well.

heck a young suggs was a pretty bright spot as well and lets not forget we did not have PS players filling in at CB.

 

carr and wilson are much better cbs then levine , greenwood ,melvin and whoever we tried to plug in after jimmy went down.

 

having a guy like Reed play center field makes live alot easier for any DC then having stewart there lol.

not sure if elam is that much of an upgrade over walker as a nickle corner.

JJ in his prime with us was at that point a better player then upshaw in setting the edge and was much better in coverage then upshaw and doom combined.

 

Doom is basicially just a 3rd down pass rush specialist which is a limited role although he is great at it.

it bascially still limits your options using him as everyone knows he will rush the passer.

 

TBH i dont think you will find any DC who would not rather have lewis reed and young ngata as their core instead of old ngata mosley/smith and  stewart/elam/hill/ brooks .

[RaineV1]

Pees is okay as a DC. There's quite a few guys I'd take over him, but at least you know the defense won't be bad under Pees.

[Dr. Kelley]

Pees is okay as a DC. There's quite a few guys I'd take over him, but at least you know the defense won't be bad under Pees.

But also you know it will always give up game winning drives to back up quarterbacks regardless of how healthy the secondary is. So, there is that.

[Static]

Our defense is statically good but I swear its the most unclutch group I've ever seen.

[berad]

But also you know it will always give up game winning drives to back up quarterbacks regardless of how healthy the secondary is. So, there is that.

 

 

Our defense is statically good but I swear its the most unclutch group I've ever seen.

 

Biggest personal issues with the defense - some scrubbly-dubbly QBs have had the games of their life against us. I'll make a list sometime later.

[Tenacious Faulker]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000498592/article/ranking-the-top-20-coordinators-across-the-nfl-who-is-no-1

Dean Pees ranks 12th in the entire league out of 96 coordinators (64 if you count only the relevant ones).

I realize people will continue to criticize him and bash him, but he clearly deserves credit and he's getting it outside the Ravens community

 

Seems fair to me although even I think is perhaps a little high.  Still he's accomplied a lot with very little and everyone seems to forget that.  Glad it was recognized by someone somewhere.

Doesn't change my mind that hes the weakest link on this squad. Moreso than any position imo

 

The weakest link on this team is still a compliment.  It's not a bad thing to be the "worst Raven".  I'd take that over the best Raider.

Agreed. Still the weakest link and this ranking doesn't validate the genuis claims & the whole "he's playing chess and Rex played checkers" crapola.

 That was my quote.  See the above reply to arnie_uk and just know that Pees is the best we can get right now.  Fire him and who will you get to replace him?  Austin isn;t coming here for a lateral move, Rex is a HC again and Pagano (my favorite) is too.  The only "crapola" is what you think you know about defensive coordinators.  Pees had far less to work with than Rex every had.  Rex has been proven to be nothing without a slew of star players at his disposal, while Pees HAS.  

 

Hence the checkers and ches analogy is more valid than your well thought out "crapola argument"  Cheers.   

Edited June 26, 2015 by Tenacious Faulker

[berad]

Our defense is statically good but I swear its the most unclutch group I've ever seen.

 

 

But also you know it will always give up game winning drives to back up quarterbacks regardless of how healthy the secondary is. So, there is that.

 

Said list:

 

 

These QBs generally STANK... until they played us...

edit - WHOOPS, Pagano was DC in 2011, sorry

Edited June 26, 2015 by berad

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'm not a huge pees fan but this conversation always comes down to nostalgic comparisons to Marvin Lewis and Rex Ryan.

Dean Pees hasn't had nearly the consistency in personnel, has dealt with injuries to multiple key players every year he's been the coordinator, and frankly doesn't have the same talent those guys had.

He has talent yes, but not HOF talent at the 2 key positions that others had. An in prime ed reed and ray Lewis allow you to do SOOOOO MUCH and take so many chances/be as aggressive as you want bc you know Ray has the whole middle of the field covered and will clean up and Ed has sideline to sideline on anything deep.

Pees has won a Super Bowl (which Pagano and Ryan never did) with less. It's not always pretty, and won't be the dominate defense that dictates a game that we all grew to love, but he gets a defense to play efficiently and do enough to win deep into the season.

You can want more, but it's luxury wants at this point. Pees seems to have perfected the art of doing just enough to make you pull ur hair out, but also enough to consistently win games.

And if ur gonna be a Flacco defender and look past his down performances and point to his winning ways and postseason performances.... Well Pees is a lot like that. Ugly sometimes, but it's a consistent winning formula that cranks up in the playoffs.

Edited June 26, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK