[News] Late For Work 6/23: The Joe Flacco Top-10 Debate Is Alive Again

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Late For Work 6/23: The Joe Flacco Top-10 Debate Is Alive Again

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[whobilly]

I don't get excited about any QB "Lighting It Up" in OTA's throwing to receivers in shorts.

BUT.....I do believe Joe is a Top 10 QB. Matt Ryan? Really? He's been throwing to Roddy White and Julio Jones and how many playoff wins? Can't wait to see Joe "Light It Up" in the regular season with this group of weapons.

[trevorsteadman]

He's top 5 when he wants to be. Sometimes he has a look in his eye during a game or two in the season where it doesn't look like he cares nearly as much as other times. But I still don't understand how they think Big Ben is a top 5 quarterback now... Just because he had the best receiver in the league last season and the best all purpose running back last season does not make him a great quarterback... Defense got him his rings... Flacco backpacked Baltimore to their ring and almost did it again last season. How is Newton ahead of Flacco and how is Ryan? I still don't understand why people think this... You take away his pro bowl running back last season and he still had his best statistical year so far. Now the Ravens actually gave him weapons. Wouldn't be surprised if he broke out this season and eclipsed 4,500 yards.

[757RavensFan]

I know its going to be slow for articles during this break before training camp, but do we need another repeat story about Flacco's rankings and if he's "elite"?  He's OUR QB and the best we ever had (not even close).  Everyone in Baltimore knows how important Flacco is to the team's success and honestly, that's all that should matter.  He's never missed a game and he allowed us the opportunity to play for the Lombardi every year but one.  I for one, could give a rip about other's perception of him.

In my Terrell Owens voice,  "that's MY quarterback"!!

Edited June 23, 2015 by 757RavensFan

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Now they don't even want him in the top ten?This storyline is becoming old hat but it's a boring off season so I'll play along.

 

Guy in the video:"Flacco has received far more help from his defense.That's why he wins more."

 

And Romo has received far more help and stability from the talent around him on offense and that's why he's had better stats.Romo threw to a prime first ballot HOFer in Owens,a borderline if not already HOFer in Witten and Dez Bryant.The best WRs(Mason,Boldin,Smitty) Flacco has ever had were already in their 30's by the time he got them and only one of them was HOF worthy.The same can be said about his best TE's(Heap,Clark,Daniels).As great as Ray Lewis,Reed and Suggs were,THEY DIDN'T CATCH PASSES OR FLACCO.

 

Guy in video:"Romo has been better in the postseason than Flacco"

 

 

I cut the video off.I don't even want to play anymore....

Edited June 23, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[ellicottraven]

It is so obvious Graziano is clueless and basically chose the stats he wanted to exclude Joe from his top 10. The most relevant stat Mr. Clueless are wins. Don't ever forget it and the idiotic notion of our D carrying Joe just adds to your idiocy. I cannot fathom why it is so fashionable not to give Joe his due. Even idiot pundits are given the platform to espouse ill founded views and these idiots help form opinions for other uninformed fans. Unbelievable!

[Purpleghost23]

I agree putting some qbs over flacco but newton, wilson and luck..no, not just yet....the Crocket attacks, looking forward seeing him as the 1 TE.

[salamander]

I think this is the year where Joe will put it all together in the regular season. Not just being a homer. I sincerely wouldn't want any other QB than Joe. Joe continues to grow and will be impressive this year.

Edited June 23, 2015 by salamander

[bburnham89]

They were talking about this on 105.7 earlier. I like how they pondered it. They just simply looked at it as who would you take over him. Don't just strictly look at stats, just in general, all things considered. My thoughts:

I would take Rodgers, Brady, Roethlisberger and Brees over Joe. I would almost say Luck but he throws too many interceptions. And then Rivers to me is basically the same guy without the playoff successes. So those 3 (Flacco, Luck, Rivers) are all kind of a coin flip for me. That being said, it's all really just discussion because it's never gonna happen. Joe's our QB and couldn't be happier.

Another thought:

Crockett Gillmore is a seriously underrated pass catcher (he even underestimates himself by saying he's more of a blocker). I can't wait to see him, Williams, Juszcyk and Boyle step up this year. Hopefully Pitta too, but we'll see.

[bioLarzen]

Hands up, please: is there anybody on Earth who's not yet way too tired of this "is Flacco elite/top 10" thing?

[bioLarzen]

"We are working on formations – legal formations, illegal formations, unexpected formations,” Harbaugh said with a sly grin, per USA Today."

 

... and per to this very website, br.com - Harbaugh said it during one of his minicamp pressers about a week ago - which, as I remember, you too attended, Ryan...

[bioLarzen]

I see the Ravens are having a rather good and uneventful off-season. I mean, it must be, if the press is so desperate to have something to chew on that they're trying to create a drama out a couple of missed filed goal attempts - in the offseason minicamp...

 

That's a good sign... Just think about it: how many NFL teams would be overjoyed if their biggest problem was that the kicker missed a mid-range practice attempt?

 

Come on

Edited June 23, 2015 by bioLarzen

[Purpleghost23]

He is not top ten now, because he is already top ten all time!!!

Tom Brady: GS: 29/ 21 w, 8 losses

Joe montana: GS: 23/ 16 w, 7 losses

Terry Bradshaw: Gs: 19/ 14 w, 5 losses

John Elway:GS: 21/ 14 w, 7 losses

Bret Favre: GS: 24/ 13 w. 11 losses

Troy Aikman: GS: 15/ 11 w, 4 losses

Roger Staubach: GS: 17/ 11 w, 6 losses

Peyton Manning: GS:24/ 11 w, 13 losses

Ben Roeth: GS: 15/ 10 w, 5 losses

Flacco: GS: 15/ 10 w, 5 losses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records

[bioLarzen]

I followed the Gillmore-link to PFF's twitter and started reading it - and found this:

 

Ravens Terrell Suggs has been our highest graded 3-4 Outside Linebacker against the run each of the past two seasons.

 

Not bad

[organizedchaos23]

I don't care where Joe is ranked . I'll take Joe or Brady over anybody come playoff time .

[ryananth]

Can we move on to something else besides what others think of Flacco? We know how good he is. Wins and Super Bowls are really all that matter at the end of a career. He already has had a helluva career.

[raven410]

"We are working on formations, legal formations, illegal formations, unexpected formations" Harbaugh said with a sly grin, per USA Today That's my coach!

[budman]

Now they don't even want him in the top ten?This storyline is becoming old hat but it's a boring off season so I'll play along.

 

Guy in the video:"Flacco has received far more help from his defense.That's why he wins more."

 

And Romo has received far more help and stability from the talent around him on offense and that's why he's had better stats.Romo threw to a prime first ballot HOFer in Owens,a borderline if not already HOFer in Witten and Dez Bryant.The best WRs(Mason,Boldin,Smitty) Flacco has ever had were already in their 30's by the time he got them and only one of them was HOF worthy.The same can be said about his best TE's(Heap,Clark,Daniels).As great as Ray Lewis,Reed and Suggs were,THEY DIDN'T CATCH PASSES OR FLACCO.

 

Guy in video:"Romo has been better in the postseason than Flacco"

 

 

I cut the video off.I don't even want to play anymore....

Saying that Romo is better than Flacco in the post season is just plain stupidity. Sorry but it is. Romo has only been to the post season 1 time right? Cleveland guy making a statement about any Qb is hilarious. This is just people talking to appear that they know something.

Go get em' Joe

[Dorota]

I would not put Newton, Brees or even Wilson ahead of Flacco. No way! Congrats to Crockett Gilmore on being the only positively rated rookie TE last season!

[Orange_Peanut]

If Perriman pans out, this Flacco nonsense will be put to bed.

[FlaccoIsMyQuarterback5]

Ryan and Newton over Flacco? That's ludicrous. Ryan and Newton have both had great receivers (Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez- Falcons; Steve Smith - Panthers) and still can't be consistently productive. Flacco has excelled greatly with the receivers he's worked with. As good as Mason, Boldin and SSS are, all were past their prime when they came here. It's difficult to work with receivers who are over 30 years old and on the decline. And the article said it already: The defense was ranked No. 17 in the league on our Super Bowl run. Flacco proved that he can carry a team on his back. All 11 TDs and 0 INTs proves that it was Flacco and the offense. I'd say he's number eight or seven. However, if Rivers is at number six, that's preposterous. Flacco>Rivers. Put Flacco at six instead of Rivers if that's the case.

[iceripper]

Joe's been clutch in clutch moments in the playoffs and regular season. (Cleveland and Miami games last year). I can't wait to see the reactions from These "experts" after Joe get us another SB.

[stixfix69]

Who cares...All Flacco does is win, and wins playoff games, that's all that matters....Because he isn't a Diva he will never get his props....But the teams he has beaten, and continues to beat knows whats up with Flacco....

[757RavensFan]

I would not put Newton, Brees or even Wilson ahead of Flacco. No way! Congrats to Crockett Gilmore on being the only positively rated rookie TE last season!

 

The other 2, No! But many will argue that Brees is better.

[fusuymada]

I have argued over and over that the system is what hurts Flacco's rating more than anything else. We get ahead so we run, when the game is close we run then Flacco isn't throwing for 4000 yards because he doesn't have to. We wait until the fourth quarter if we are behind and then Joe throws it. Several games last year, one in particular I remember, we were on the 3 or 4 with over a minute left and we were blowing someone out so what did we do, we kneeled down. It is the nature of Ravens football. If we had a system where the running backs produce about 400 yards for a season, then Flacco would throw more but he doesn't because he doesn't have to. If Joe went to a pass hungry team like the Lions, he'd have 5000 yards. Flacco is better than his stats show and he gets credit for but if he takes us to the big game with all the other "superstars" gone, then they have to give Joe the credit. Unfortunately, its not about winning, its about throwing for 5500 yards and being 6-10. Sorry, give me Joe and a winning season over stats any day.

[Mystigo_Dragon]

I have argued over and over that the system is what hurts Flacco's rating more than anything else. We get ahead so we run, when the game is close we run then Flacco isn't throwing for 4000 yards because he doesn't have to. We wait until the fourth quarter if we are behind and then Joe throws it. Several games last year, one in particular I remember, we were on the 3 or 4 with over a minute left and we were blowing someone out so what did we do, we kneeled down. It is the nature of Ravens football. If we had a system where the running backs produce about 400 yards for a season, then Flacco would throw more but he doesn't because he doesn't have to. If Joe went to a pass hungry team like the Lions, he'd have 5000 yards. Flacco is better than his stats show and he gets credit for but if he takes us to the big game with all the other "superstars" gone, then they have to give Joe the credit. Unfortunately, its not about winning, its about throwing for 5500 yards and being 6-10. Sorry, give me Joe and a winning season over stats any day.

 

Fusuymada, I cut down much of your comment to the part that I take a bit of issue with! Sorry! I needed to make a point and I wasn't at issue with you entire comment!

"We get ahead so we run, when the game is close we run..."

In my world Joe Flacco is not inside the #10 mark ,... read closely....  simply because he doesn't win the games he's supposed to!

The Fantasy Footballers, [might be you], in MHO are the people who root for 4,000 yard games from QBs.

While the Football Purists [definitely me] root for games won that should be won and games won that normally wouldn't by QBs!

The Divisional Championship is a case in point: Joe Flacco beats Tom Brady in Brady's house for the second time in a playoff setting by driving the Ravens down the field and managing the clock expertly and thrusting the ball over the goal line with a QB Sneak or hand-off to Justin Forsett/the Juice,..... This scenario guarantees Joe's a Top 10 QB this year!

But, Joe Flacco drives the Ravens down to the 34 yard line of the Patriots, then, quote takes a shot,... throws an interception into the end-zone ending the Ravens' playoff run,...  That's not what perennial winners do!

This the way the undisciplined Joe Flacco continues to show that he doesn't have the PATIENCE to play his position to the point of stealing games the CW suggests he shouldn't win, like a Phillip Rivers playing us any and every time he does!  

Edited June 23, 2015 by Mystigo_Dragon

[sami]

lets put Brady, Manning, Romo (why hes even on the list is a mystery to me) Luck and Newton in the AFC North and see how their stats come out.

[Swagger]

Don't take the bait that Flacco is just great in the Playoffs.

He has taken a team with very few receivers that you can name into the playoffs 7 out of 8 years, in a division that often sends 3 teams into the playoffs. You don't get into the playoffs in the AFC North by not being great in the regular season. That is a joke.

[Swagger]

Flacco his rookie year was #3 until just before game time of his first game. The difference was IMMEDIATE. We almost won the game. Same OL, same WRs, etc, Flacco made all the difference. Flacco is elite, and not just in the playoffs. I think the rest of the team plays better in the playoffs more than Flacco. ie Boldin

[20306cab]

Everything about Cleveland is pathetic, especially their jealous,bias media. Loved the end of Seth Rollins bashing of that stinkhole last week when he was there, by saying(while he was holding up his championship belt)"soak this championship up Cleveland, it's the only one you'll ever see, and I'm taking it with me when I leave this piece of crap town."

Something very close to that. It's on Youtube. But he's right. Go Ozzie. Go Joe!