[News] Ravens Secondary Feeling Confident In Bounce Back

[Crusader]

You can not count on Webb playing even half the season and the secondary will need time to work together in real games. It's going to take time.

[BmoreB]

It's articles like this that really make me miss Ed Reed. Don't get me wrong, I think our current group will bounce back in a big way but man, Reed was a special kind of player. ... #playmaker

[Purpleghost23]

Time to get some ints guys lets go hunt hunt hunt

[January J]

The real indicator of the secondary will show if someone steps up and moves Lardarius Webb further down the depth chart. I was not impressed at all with his play last year even at the end of the season, I certainly do not think he is worth what we are paying him. I do appreciate his contribution to the community of Baltimore but he needs to step up his level of play big time IMO. If we have that kind of quality, we will probably be Ok!

I grew really tired of watching the back of his jersey and dreads as he chased down receivers after he got continuously burnt throughout the season. That bein said He's still solid when healthy , and I appreciated him taking one for the team and taking a pay cut as well, I think he knew he deserved one.

[RavenManiac#7]

We sure are hoping for a much better season from our secondary, that's for certain. And more turnovers would be absolutely awesome, because I do believe our offense could well be better and be able to put more points on the board with more possessions. That said, I hope that the secondary is not So focused on turnovers that they take too many gambles for them because perhaps even more important and helpful would be a lot fewer big plays being given up. Those big plays, that go for touchdowns especially, can really put you in the hole and often times have the offense playing from behind and having to play catch up. So, ideally, we'll see less big plays being given up along With an increase of turnovers.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I want to see what this team can do if Webb and J.Smith can stay healthy all year long.

[Purple&Black]

How could the secondary be any worse than it was last year? We were down to CBs off the street. Plus Elam is being replaced for the time being and Hill looks to be starting full time. sky is the limit

[thecommish]

Our DB's are light years ahead of where we were last season. Jimmy is back. Webb is healthy -Asa will be healthy and a year improved. RMelvin will be a year more comfortable in our system... We have added Tray Walker, KArrington and CVaughn! Our Safties... WHill will have a full camp and increased comfort in our system. KLewis will be an upgrade... Brooks will be back and more experienced... Elam is looking to be finally settling in some! That is so far ahead of last season... and the results will mean more turnovers and more sacks and more 3 and outs.... which means more opportunities for our offense! And more wins!

[ravenpic]

Our veteran DB's have plenty of time to get back in shape. I'm not rushing anybody. The good thing is the talent is back. Webby and Jimmy should be ready for the final game of preseason. The other DB's will put on a show for the roster spots.

 

***The throwback jerseys should look just like game one at Memorial Stadium in Baltimore. Is there even a chance that our Ravens will ever wear the original helmets again? I'll never forget game one and the total excitement in the entire city. It was electric*** 

Edited June 22, 2015 by ravenpic

[IGwheaties_man]

The Chargers game still haunts me

You're preaching to the choir. I was there that day and was confident that we'd come out on top, as a result of a Torrey Smith touchdown early in the game and a Phillip Rivers interception. Then you have to worry about those useless stats they bring up in games (the one for this one was we never lost if Torrey caught a td pass). Nevertheless, we'll get em back this year. 

[WordProphet]

You know before I say that the secondary is better than they were at the end of last year, I have to see them in action against another team running full tilt. Because in order to truly know that regular season is the test. Not OTA's or anything else regular season on the field play is where the truth is told, I don't care who believes what, you have to perform when it counts and it doesn't count until regular season, so I'll wait and see before I say anything!!!

[ravenpic]

The Chargers game still haunts me

The bad part about it was Rivers standing on the sideline with that big smile on his face the entire game...what cockiness. He knew he had us if the time on the clock was there.

[757RavensFan]

The bad part about it was Rivers standing on the sideline with that big smile on his face the entire game...what cockiness. He knew he had us if the time on the clock was there.

 

Actually the bad part about the Chargers loss was it actually hurt our playoff chances and we all knew it. 

We still owe the city of Kansas City a lifetime supply of Natty Boh for beating SD the last game of the season.

SD beats KC in week 17, our season is over.

[Crusader]

We will see which of these guys will take the next 35 some days to get ready to play their opponents this year studying their moves.

[FastEddie]

Really impressed with the moves we have made this year in the secondary.

 

Last year we were in a tight spot and as a result fell down the ranks. Just makes me think about the year when our O line ranked below average and the FO came back with a top 10 O line...maybe even top 5...can't remember.

 

Favorite move was bringing in Kyle Arrington. Not only because it probably pissed the Patriots off, but also a upgrade since the Corey Graham days

[Mystigo_Dragon]

The depth was there, the injuries depleted it! Webb seems to have lost a step. He seems not as willing to make the big tackles too. This is all IMO. Have a great Father's day weekend Ravens Nation!

 

I don't see a thing wrong with what you've written!

I understand about the unsure officiating toward the hitting but it seemed our whole Secondary had gone from the fearsome unit of the Reed/Pollard/C.Williams era to a bunch of guys playing not to get hurt rather than with a wild abandon!

Say what you will, Harbs, about wanting a guy who plays "sound football", every team needs an "Enforcer" with some,... nay, lots of Bernie Pollard's DNA in his game! 

[Mystigo_Dragon]

    The thing I took away from the Chargers' game was a vivid lesson on how Joe needs to approach games in the closing minutes!

I still content that Joe's attempt at "taking the shot" in the Patriots Playoff game was a bad move! The resulting INT proves the above!

Had Joe taken a page from Phil Rivers rather than gone "Rogue Gunslinger", he had plenty of time to maneuver the ball down close to the End Zone and put the ball across the goal !

I was furious with that one play because it was reckless and cost us at least a shot at the AFC Championship!

I just hope he has learned that taking the shot is a viable play from the opening kick-off until the last quarter, but never, never, ever during the final drive if you NEED a score,... unless the Corner has fallen down or something like that! 

Edited June 22, 2015 by Mystigo_Dragon

[IGwheaties_man]

    The thing I took away from the Chargers' game was a vivid lesson on how Joe needs to approach games in the closing minutes!

I still content that Joe's attempt at "taking the shot" in the Patriots Playoff game was a bad move! The resulting INT proves the above!

Had Joe taken a page from Phil Rivers rather than gone "Rogue Gunslinger", he had plenty of time to maneuver the ball down close to the End Zone and put the ball across the goal !

I was furious with that one play because it was reckless and cost us at least a shot at the AFC Championship!

I just hope he has learned that taking the shot is a viable play from the opening kick-off until the last quarter, but never, never, ever during the final drive if you NEED a score,... unless the Corner has fallen down or something like that! 

 

In that situation, I think Joe's best option was to scramble for the first down. It's a 2nd and 5. He definitely has the speed, it's just lowkey because he barely does it. But I remember that first down he had in that Browns game on the game winning drive. He played safety in High School, you have to have speed for that. Still, Torrey Smith's lack of creating separation between McCourty and the ball was inexcusable, hence the reason he's no longer a Raven. Honestly, the game was over when we kicked the FG in the divisional round instead of trying to convert the 4th. We were not only one of the most aggressive teams to do so, we also had the most success with 4th down conversions this year. Same thing with that drive in the Chargers game where that 3rd down throw to Torrey failed. When I was in the stands that day, in my mind I'm saying "Don't kick the FG, convert the 4th". Worst case scenario, you fail. But you back the opposing team up in their own endzone. Increases the possibility of getting a game sealing pick 6. Even excluding that, Jacoby not being able to run the kickoff in for a score also hurt us. Then how he muffed the kickoff return after the Chargers scored the game winning field goal didn't help much more. They should've tried for a Flacco bomb instead of conservative "let's try to get a lengthy field goal here" strategy. That bomb has one games for us and won us that Bengal game this year, had the refs not called that obvious flop. I literally could write a book on the mistakes they made in that Chargers game, as if this post wasn't evident enough.

Edited June 22, 2015 by IGwheaties_man

[Mystigo_Dragon]

In that situation, I think Joe's best option was to scramble for the first down. It's a 2nd and 5. He definitely has the speed, it's just lowkey because he barely does it. But I remember that first down he had in that Browns game on the game winning drive. He played safety in High School, you have to have speed for that. Still, Torrey Smith's lack of creating separation between McCourty and the ball was inexcusable, hence the reason he's no longer a Raven. Honestly, the game was over when we kicked the FG in the divisional round instead of trying to convert the 4th. We were not only one of the most aggressive teams to do so, we also had the most success with 4th down conversions this year. Same thing with that drive in the Chargers game where that 3rd down throw to Torrey failed. When I was in the stands that day, in my mind I'm saying "Don't kick the FG, convert the 4th". Worst case scenario, you fail. But you back the opposing team up in their own endzone. Increases the possibility of getting a game sealing pick 6. Even excluding that, Jacoby not being able to run the kickoff in for a score also hurt us. Then how he muffed the kickoff return after the Chargers scored the game winning field goal didn't help much more. They should've tried for a Flacco bomb instead of conservative "let's try to get a lengthy field goal here" strategy. That bomb has one games for us and won us that Bengal game this year, had the refs not called that obvious flop. I literally could write a book on the mistakes they made in that Chargers game, as if this post wasn't evident enough.

 

 Your reasoning in much of that is sound,... I'd tend to agree!

I'm an ol dawg and have shed a lot of my young dawg "piss & vinegar" for the comfort of the "tried & true"!

What I'm saying is if I have the "horses" to drive the ball down an opponent's throat, I don't want my QB "getting cute" for an ESPN Highlight Film throw - I want him to beat up the other team,... take their will to come back, to crush it while I dominate the clock and that team! 

You see, I'm a former BALTIMORE COLTS fan,... sorry!

[January J]

In that situation, I think Joe's best option was to scramble for the first down. It's a 2nd and 5. He definitely has the speed, it's just lowkey because he barely does it. But I remember that first down he had in that Browns game on the game winning drive. He played safety in High School, you have to have speed for that. Still, Torrey Smith's lack of creating separation between McCourty and the ball was inexcusable, hence the reason he's no longer a Raven. Honestly, the game was over when we kicked the FG in the divisional round instead of trying to convert the 4th. We were not only one of the most aggressive teams to do so, we also had the most success with 4th down conversions this year. Same thing with that drive in the Chargers game where that 3rd down throw to Torrey failed. When I was in the stands that day, in my mind I'm saying "Don't kick the FG, convert the 4th". Worst case scenario, you fail. But you back the opposing team up in their own endzone. Increases the possibility of getting a game sealing pick 6. Even excluding that, Jacoby not being able to run the kickoff in for a score also hurt us. Then how he muffed the kickoff return after the Chargers scored the game winning field goal didn't help much more. They should've tried for a Flacco bomb instead of conservative "let's try to get a lengthy field goal here" strategy. That bomb has one games for us and won us that Bengal game this year, had the refs not called that obvious flop. I literally could write a book on the mistakes they made in that Chargers game, as if this post wasn't evident enough.

if O.D had caught that td pass on 3rd down that tipped off his fingers we win that game. I don't know if I would have went for it on 4th down there- easy to say in hindsight. But I always wonder if pitta would've caught that ball instead of O.D.?? Oh well, woulda coulda shoulda. Owen had a great game anyway despite that one play. My takeaway from the chargers game was the importance of timeouts! I think too often throughout the year we were too careless at not only saving our timeouts but clock management in general. We would take timeouts in completely unnecessary situations. Had we had one left at the end of the chargers game after kamar made that sweet sideline catch, tuck would have had an opportunity to win it. It would have been around a 60 yarder - but we all know he is more than capable of knocking those through in the clutch. And if my memory serves me correctly, we wasted a timeout with around 2 or 3 minutes left over something really petty. (Can't recall exactly what it was). But had k.c not beaten San Diego in week 17- that one game and one decision could have cost us a shot at the playoffs. Goes to show you that it really is a game if inches.

[IGwheaties_man]

if O.D had caught that td pass on 3rd down that tipped off his fingers we win that game. I don't know if I would have went for it on 4th down there- easy to say in hindsight. But I always wonder if pitta would've caught that ball instead of O.D.?? Oh well, woulda coulda shoulda. Owen had a great game anyway despite that one play. My takeaway from the chargers game was the importance of timeouts! I think too often throughout the year we were too careless at not only saving our timeouts but clock management in general. We would take timeouts in completely unnecessary situations. Had we had one left at the end of the chargers game after kamar made that sweet sideline catch, tuck would have had an opportunity to win it. It would have been around a 60 yarder - but we all know he is more than capable of knocking those through in the clutch. And if my memory serves me correctly, we wasted a timeout with around 2 or 3 minutes left over something really petty. (Can't recall exactly what it was). But had k.c not beaten San Diego in week 17- that one game and one decision could have cost us a shot at the playoffs. Goes to show you that it really is a game if inches.

 

You're absolutely right, we're careless with our timeouts. Out of John's incredible coaching skills, one thing I think he struggles in is clock management, in terms of timeouts. It made no sense for us to have not had a timeout to spare on the last drive of that Chargers game. And I feel after awhile, John will doubt himself tremendously. Anybody remember that Broncos game from 2013? He called a challenge in the first half and lost, and that Wes Welker catch that never was happened but he decided not to throw the challenge flag because not only did he not want to lose another timeout though we were in a new quarter, he didn't wanna lose his ability to throw the flag for the remainder of the game. Then the onslaught happened and they beat us 49-27. Had he thrown that challenge flag, we win that game. Easily. At best in 2013, we were a 9-7 team. Easily in the playoffs over the Chargers who got that same record and snuck in the playoffs by the skin of their teeth. But 9 times out of 10, I believe Pitta makes that divisional round catch. They had this analysis on all 32 teams in which they determined how many players teams were from having a superbowl appearance. We were at number 2 behind the Cowboys, and we were 2 elite players away from a bowl appearance. Those 2 players? Jimmy Smith and Pitta. But you gotta admit, it would've been a bit of a hard catch to make but not as hard as that Flacco throw to O.D. in the 1st half. Forced that thing into triple coverage and he still made the catch. But the one he dropped looked a bit easier to make compared to that one.

[ravenpic]

Actually the bad part about the Chargers loss was it actually hurt our playoff chances and we all knew it. 

We still owe the city of Kansas City a lifetime supply of Natty Boh for beating SD the last game of the season.

SD beats KC in week 17, our season is over.

We knew that before the game. It was win and we're in.  I'm talking about what happened during the game. Like too many FG's instead of TD's.

I like Natty Boh but... It's in your mind. We don't owe anybody. The Chiefs played their division rivals and beat them. We never mattered.

I wouldn't want the Steelers ever thinking they owe us a lifetime supply of Iron City Beer for us beating the Bengals in the same situation. Yuk. 

[Mystigo_Dragon]

We knew that before the game. It was win and we're in.  I'm talking about what happened during the game. Like too many FG's instead of TD's.

I like Natty Boh but... It's in your mind. We don't owe anybody. The Chiefs played their division rivals and beat them. We never mattered.

I wouldn't want the Steelers ever thinking they owe us a lifetime supply of Iron City Beer for us beating the Bengals in the same situation. Yuk. 

 

If I'm understanding this exchange, then I beg to differ, sir!

It was not "win and in" for us because San Diego owned the inside track over us having WON the head-to-head, ravenpic!

We definitely profited from the Chiefs' win over the Chargers!

Edited June 24, 2015 by Mystigo_Dragon

[ravenpic]

It was not "win and in" for us because San Diego owned the inside track over us having WON the head-to-head !

We definitely profited from the Chiefs' win over the Chargers!

The Chargers lost when they needed to win. Same for the Ravens. So we owe somebody? That's my point. Think the Chiefs would bend over or play dead for Rivers? Not the Chiefs or the Ravens. We don't own anybody. We profited yes, but owe no other team for our season..... nothing. 

Edited June 29, 2015 by ravenpic

[Mystigo_Dragon]

The Chargers lost when they needed to win. Same for the Ravens. So we owe somebody? That's my point. Think the Chiefs would bend over or play dead for Rivers? Not the Chiefs or the Ravens. We don't own anybody. We profited yes, but owe no other team for our season..... nothing. 

 

What "owe" are you talking about?

[ravenpic]

What "owe" are you talking about?

SSJ3FinalFlash said the chargers game still haunts him

757RavensFan said we owe the Chiefs some Natty Boh

 

 

Go back and read it. It appears to me that you jumped into the post without knowing what had previously been said, Thanks for correcting my error.

Edited July 1, 2015 by ravenpic