[News] Kyle Juszczyk Eyeing More Receptions In 2015

[hen826957]

Ya'll guys put too much negative about Juice is ridicules. Sure he fumble but that was his first career starting he will get better on his fumbling. Juice could be a potential pro-bowler because he got a lot of instincts can play FB or TE very versal.

[757RavensFan]

I really don't see Juice getting a major increase in receptions.  With the addition of Perriman, Waller, and possibly 4 TEs, I just don't see it. 

[GO_Ravens]

If he's used properly juice is a match up nightmare.

[Cillmatic]

He should just play the role Rice played. Dump off guy on passing downs.

[reed20fence]

With all the additions and weapons and youth, Juice remains our wild card. No single player shifts more prior to the snap to change the balance of our blocking scheme and potentially create mismatches and expose man coverage than Juszczyk. He's the ultimate swiss army knife of players that Harbaugh loves. Plays every special teams snap. Is the 3rd TE on jumbo/heavy sets. Is the starting fullback. Oh and by-the-by, he can catch the ball for chunk yardage when defenses are too busy assigning guys to cover the rest of the eligible receivers. You need a smart guy to know all of those roles and play them throughout the game with awareness. And you can always tell a Harvard man.

The fumbles can be ironed out.

Edited June 11, 2015 by reed20fence

[trevorsteadman]

They said he would get 50 catches last season and he didn't even sniff anywhere near that number. I expect this story to be the same. I feel bad but at the same time when you have 4 tight ends that will most likely make the roster that are better at route running and catching that will keep him to blocking duties for the most part... The versatility of him could help trick some defenses out a time or two when needed but other than that I don't see him much of a factor in the vertical game.

[gooftroop]

Seems to me that Juice runs high and not always square, and that leaves him susceptible to the taking helmet and shoulder pad hits right on the ball.

[Raven1995]

Edgar, I totally agree.

[RavenManiac#7]

If you look on Kyle's stats, he fumbled 2 times, not sure about post season. If I recall correctly, he fumbled those ball's when he was trying to jump over someone, and the ball was knocked loose. Harb's did reprimand him for it. Kyle can catch the ball fine, he just needs to protect it better and not take such risky chances!

You might be right, because I don't trust my memory anymore, but my recollection was that he was reaching the ball forward and away from his body trying to gain a bit more yardage when he fumbled those balls. And I thought I remembered three fumbles rather than only two. Nevertheless, with as few touches as he had, two Or three was too many. I've seen players get benched and forgotten about for long stretches by Harbaugh after just One fumble, so Juice should be happy that didn't happen to him. Just ask Taliaferro how Harbaugh treated him after he fumbled for the very first time, even if it was against the Squealers. Everybody is going to fumble sometime, but it just Has to be a very rare occurrence. Fumbles will kill you. Terrible momentum changers. Juice Has to cure that or he won't be catching anything.

[Halshayeji]

I like Kyle but have never been a huge fan of his. Especially after we lost Vonte who I believe was the best blocking FB in the NFL. With that said, I believe you guys are being a bit too harsh on the guy as hes been improving with every game. I don't know if hes ever going to catch 50 catches but if he can pickup blocks like he did last year and catch 2 balls a game just for the sake of keeping defenses guessing. I think we struck gold. Fumbling is a problem. But I believe that Kyle is just trying to do too much at times. Just keep both hands on the ball and lower your pads. If the tackler wants to wrap you up then you headbutt his chest and knock him back. Make him feel the contact. If a tackler wants to go low, then you lower your shoulders and make him eat dirt! or may I say turf in the modern NFL arenas. Don't fight too hard for yards. Do what a FB does best. Inflict pain and yards will come as a result.

[Space11jams]

Juice is going to make all the doubters question their football IQ. Lol. He fumbled twice last year yes, but that was from not making smart decisions. We have a good coaching staff and I know they are coaching him about those kind of mistakes. It's not like we absolutely need him to catch. He's our Swiss army knife. He will do a lot better with handling the ball this year than he did last year watch.

[Joey Flac]

You might be right, because I don't trust my memory anymore, but my recollection was that he was reaching the ball forward and away from his body trying to gain a bit more yardage when he fumbled those balls. And I thought I remembered three fumbles rather than only two. Nevertheless, with as few touches as he had, two Or three was too many. I've seen players get benched and forgotten about for long stretches by Harbaugh after just One fumble, so Juice should be happy that didn't happen to him. Just ask Taliaferro how Harbaugh treated him after he fumbled for the very first time, even if it was against the Squealers. Everybody is going to fumble sometime, but it just Has to be a very rare occurrence. Fumbles will kill you. Terrible momentum changers. Juice Has to cure that or he won't be catching anything.

 

They couldn't bench him because he was the starting fullback, but I'm sure he got a lot of attention for that. You can teach ball security, he played at a lower college level and didn't play much behind Vonta Leach his rookie season. So I'm sure he just needs to adjust. I've seen him cover up and lower his shoulder. It was just when he was attempting to get a td at Cleveland and he was holding it like LeSean McCoy, away from his body, one handed. 

 

So if he doesn't show promise he can get the boot next year or get benched if he has a problem with the amount of tight ends we have. 

 

Maxx Williams would be interesting back there. He can block and is a player defenses need to look out for. Motion him around and he can do a play action wheel to the opposite side of the field and walk into the end zone.

 

San Francisco and Seattle runs plays like these when the defense commits to the bootleg and one guy gets lost behind the line. Juice could be that guy but I want to see him run people over, not juke em out.  

[steelcityraven]

if Juice improves as much going into his third season as he did from his rookie to second year....we will have a weapon on our hands. I thought that he struggled a little as a blocker in year 1 and saw vast improvement (as he put on some size) going into year two. He showed that he can be a weapon last year and if he learns to hold onto the ball.... I think he will be exactly what we hoped for when we drafted him. A true H-back more then a fullback! Love to see the progression in these players!

[Kyoma]

It doesn't matter how many fumbles he had in college, high school, etc. He obviously has talent that got him here. My point is there is no room for mistakes at this level especially out of the FB position.

 

I didn't say cut him tomorrow but I would say he skating on thin ICE. If you can't hold on to the ball falling to the ground at this level you are beyond coaching..

 

Just my opinion..

one fumble in college so I wouldnt be as concerned as you are... dude can stretch the seam, turn passes to the flat into big plays and seal a gap as a blocker. He was a tight end in college... and ball security isn't that hard of a concept to teach! He is a pro bowl full back and is only going to get better... last year was the first season seeing action as a receiver.

 

19 people had 3 fumbles last year, Leon Washington similar numbers. 15 had 4 so it's not like you should cut someone if they fumble a few times in the course of a season... especially someone who was essentially playing their rookie season last year because we had Vonta Leach mentoring Juice. 

 

They didn't put him in the dog house for that, I'm sure they are working on his ball security a lot this offseason. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

Oh my goodness.. 3rd year already.

Juice, its too late bud. You have pitta, gilmore, maxx, boyle.

Just do the FB job right.

[Kyoma]

Ya'll guys put too much negative about Juice is ridicules. Sure he fumble but that was his first career starting he will get better on his fumbling. Juice could be a potential pro-bowler because he got a lot of instincts can play FB or TE very versal.

I hope you are right about not fumbling. It is the manner in which he fumbles that bothers me. Meaning unrelated to contact.

I don't see how anybody can predict that he is even close to pro-bowl material. His route tree is made up of short routes dictated by the defense scheme and are down and distance offensive calls. 

I don't see the nightmare matchup problems that other people are suggesting. I think the kid is talented enough but he needs to hold on to the ball which is instinct and part of a players DNA at this point. I just know that I will still be holding my breath when he gets the ball in his hands.

[RavenManiac#7]

They couldn't bench him because he was the starting fullback, but I'm sure he got a lot of attention for that. You can teach ball security, he played at a lower college level and didn't play much behind Vonta Leach his rookie season. So I'm sure he just needs to adjust. I've seen him cover up and lower his shoulder. It was just when he was attempting to get a td at Cleveland and he was holding it like LeSean McCoy, away from his body, one handed. 

 

So if he doesn't show promise he can get the boot next year or get benched if he has a problem with the amount of tight ends we have. 

 

Maxx Williams would be interesting back there. He can block and is a player defenses need to look out for. Motion him around and he can do a play action wheel to the opposite side of the field and walk into the end zone.

 

San Francisco and Seattle runs plays like these when the defense commits to the bootleg and one guy gets lost behind the line. Juice could be that guy but I want to see him run people over, not juke em out.  

I don't want to make this a "running" or ongoing conversation so I'm going to make just one attempt to explain the spirit of my earlier e-mail. I was definitely not "hating" on Juice. I very much want him to succeed in becoming a good and dependable player for us. I certainly was not advocating for benching him. I fully support All our Ravens, every single one of them, and root like crazy for them to be successful. I'm not a "RavenManiac" for no reason. I would be thrilled to see Juice get things figured out with ball security issues and never, ever fumble the ball again. Yes, I did point out that others have been "benched" for fumbling because that Has happened. Harbs has made it clear that he really does HATE fumbles. So, I wish Juice good luck with that. I will say, though, that I don't believe that Juice is a "lock" for a spot on the final 53. We really Have added some more offensive weapons this off season, and while I'm hoping he's with us this year, I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't make it. We have 4 TEs that I believe would kept over Juice, if we count Pitta. And, we have so much talent to chose from for the wr slots that we're probably going to see some real talent not make it. Of course, several of the wrs don't have much of a track record; they're young and some will, undoubtably, be judged on their potential as opposed to their experience. But, bottom line, I think Juice's main attribute is that he's a FB, for the most part. But like you stated, Mad Maxx might very well have the ability to offer us similar talent, with comparable success as Juice, if utilized the same way. I like Juice and hope he makes the team. I'm just saying that I think his roster spot might be a bit more "iffy" this year than last season. But, know this, no matter Who is on our final 53 man roster, I will be rooting for them to be successful, will "bad mouth" none of them, and I will be a fan of All of them. I really think this might be the hardest roster we've ever had to whittle down to 53, and I think, also, that a lot of teams will be closely looking at who we have to let go. We can only do So much in the way of utilizing the PS and IR to try to hold onto some guys we'd really like to Not part with. PS'ers have to clear waivers, IR's seem to have a way of disappearing a lot of times never to be heard of again, and back to those PS'ers, they are subject to being claimed at Any time for the whole season should another team, say, have an injury to one of their wrs, or any other position. I hope for the best for all of them but, to me, it really looks like we're loaded at a few positions. No matter who gets cut there's, no doubt, going to be some unhappy fans. But, hey, I'm a fan of All 53, whoever they wind up being.

[January J]

Juice is going to make all the doubters question their football IQ. Lol. He fumbled twice last year yes, but that was from not making smart decisions. We have a good coaching staff and I know they are coaching him about those kind of mistakes. It's not like we absolutely need him to catch. He's our Swiss army knife. He will do a lot better with handling the ball this year than he did last year watch.

is that including the times he fumbled out of bounds or just the fumbles that were turnovers?

[Kyoma]

They couldn't bench him because he was the starting fullback, but I'm sure he got a lot of attention for that. You can teach ball security, he played at a lower college level and didn't play much behind Vonta Leach his rookie season. So I'm sure he just needs to adjust. I've seen him cover up and lower his shoulder. It was just when he was attempting to get a td at Cleveland and he was holding it like LeSean McCoy, away from his body, one handed. 

 

So if he doesn't show promise he can get the boot next year or get benched if he has a problem with the amount of tight ends we have. 

 

Maxx Williams would be interesting back there. He can block and is a player defenses need to look out for. Motion him around and he can do a play action wheel to the opposite side of the field and walk into the end zone.

 

San Francisco and Seattle runs plays like these when the defense commits to the bootleg and one guy gets lost behind the line. Juice could be that guy but I want to see him run people over, not juke em out.  

I am sure glad that you are both sure that ball security can be taught at this level.  A lot RB's and FB's didn't make it this far because of it..

 

I hope for juice's sake you are right..

[Joey Flac]

It doesn't matter how many fumbles he had in college, high school, etc. He obviously has talent that got him here. My point is there is no room for mistakes at this level especially out of the FB position.

I didn't say cut him tomorrow but I would say he skating on thin ICE. If you can't hold on to the ball falling to the ground at this level you are beyond coaching..

Just my opinion..

Dez Bryant lost a ball going to the ground... I guess he is beyond coaching because the ground forced the ball out. It was a rookie mistake, he didn't play his entire rookie year behind Leach and he needed to get a Division 1 SEC school NFL body.. not an Ivy League NFL body.

If you're talking so much about a "players DNA" then how is it not relevant?

rookies make mistakes and he didn't fumble while running for a short gain... he tried to do too much on some swing passes because he sat out his whole rookie year and now he's trying to make up for it with some touchdowns! He played in Ivy League football so I'm sure it was a learning experience for him realizing that these guys hit harder than the kids at Yale.

Teaching someone when NOT to fight for more yards isn't a problem..

He was trying to do to much. The same thing can happen to Maxx Williams if he tries to leap every person and gets lit up and loses the football... That happens to young players man. They want to be the dude on SC top 10 leaping a defender... Can you really blame him?

Someone like LeSean McCoy that holds the ball like a scrambling Qb is unteachable. Or Torrey Smith having alligator arms..

The Ravens don't slide rookies ahead of veterans, especially when they play different positions... Nobody at tight end could do what Juice does, and we need those tightends on the line... not in the backfield. Crockett Gilmore and Maxx Williams will play, but Boyle is a back up to Pitta. Even with Pitta out, Boyle will be brought on quite slowly like Gilmore was last year.

Juice will get some action on play action swings.. same thing he did last year. He isn't threatening tight ends for any playing time and they aren't really scratching his position either. He will have to earn that play and I'm sure they will get him involved during preseason to get him some good reps.

Go re-watch Remember the Titans.. Denzel made Donald Faison carry around a football wherever he went and he'd run laps if it hit the ground. I'm sure he's had a football tucked in his arm in a similar fashion.

Edited June 13, 2015 by Moderator 3

[Kyoma]

Dez Bryant lost a ball going to the ground... I guess he is beyond coaching because the ground forced the ball out. It was a rookie mistake, he didn't play his entire rookie year behind Leach and he needed to get a Division 1 SEC school NFL body.. not an Ivy League NFL body.

If you're talking so much about a "players DNA" then how is it not relevant?

rookies make mistakes and he didn't fumble while running for a short gain... he tried to do too much on some swing passes because he sat out his whole rookie year and now he's trying to make up for it with some touchdowns! He played in Ivy League football so I'm sure it was a learning experience for him realizing that these guys hit harder than the kids at Yale.

Teaching someone when NOT to fight for more yards isn't a problem..

He was trying to do to much. The same thing can happen to Maxx Williams if he tries to leap every person and gets lit up and loses the football... That happens to young players man. They want to be the dude on SC top 10 leaping a defender... Can you really blame him?

Someone like LeSean McCoy that holds the ball like a scrambling Qb is unteachable. Or Torrey Smith having alligator arms..

The Ravens don't slide rookies ahead of veterans, especially when they play different positions... Nobody at tight end could do what Juice does, and we need those tightends on the line... not in the backfield. Crockett Gilmore and Maxx Williams will play, but Boyle is a back up to Pitta. Even with Pitta out, Boyle will be brought on quite slowly like Gilmore was last year.

Juice will get some action on play action swings.. same thing he did last year. He isn't threatening tight ends for any playing time and they aren't really scratching his position either. He will have to earn that play and I'm sure they will get him involved during preseason to get him some good reps.

Go re-watch Remember the Titans.. Denzel made Donald Faison carry around a football wherever he went and he'd run laps if it hit the ground. I'm sure he's had a football tucked in his arm in a similar fashion.

I can watch Remember the Titans all day long it makes no difference... By the way that was high school football movie.. and if you believe hollywood can change a players DNA than good for you. I live in a different world no offense.

 

I can name a bunch of RB's that went high in the draft that washed out because of fumbling problems. This years draft NU's Ameer Abdullah comes to mind of a player that has all the talent in the world but fumbles at the wrong times and is probably not curable.

 

I never brought up Pitta or anybody else. 

 

I will be holding my breath with juice until he shows me otherwise. Juice also does not have the talent of the other players you mentioned..

[Joey Flac]

I can watch Remember the Titans all day long it makes no difference... By the way that was high school football movie.. and if you believe hollywood can change a players DNA than good for you. I live in a different world no offense.

 

I can name a bunch of RB's that went high in the draft that washed out because of fumbling problems. This years draft NU's Ameer Abdullah comes to mind of a player that has all the talent in the world but fumbles at the wrong times and is probably not curable.

 

I never brought up Pitta or anybody else. 

 

I will be holding my breath with juice until he shows me otherwise. Juice also does not have the talent of the other players you mentioned..

 

why would hollywood change a "players DNA"... you could of stopped using that phrase on the 10th time you used it because it doesn't do much. It hardly means anything. If you're only going to talk about that one thing then I'm obviously wasting my time talking to you. 

 

Juice only had fumbling problems when going to ground.. he was trying to do to much, something young players do.

 

He isn't a running back though... Idk why you keep bringing that up because he fumbled as a receiver.

 

And I wouldnt put Boyle ahead of Juice... Idk what you've seen from sub-division football but that seems like an oversight that many people are having.  

 

They also don't play the same positions... i mentioned a wide out, running back and a tight end. Never did i mention a H-back or fullback because there aren't many! So I'm sure Juice isn't worried about "washing out" as a running back.

[Kyoma]

why would hollywood change a "players DNA"... you could of stopped using that phrase on the 10th time you used it because it doesn't do much. It hardly means anything. If you're only going to talk about that one thing then I'm obviously wasting my time talking to you. 

 

Juice only had fumbling problems when going to ground.. he was trying to do to much, something young players do.

 

He isn't a running back though... Idk why you keep bringing that up because he fumbled as a receiver.

 

And I wouldnt put Boyle ahead of Juice... Idk what you've seen from sub-division football but that seems like an oversight that many people are having.  

 

They also don't play the same positions... i mentioned a wide out, running back and a tight end. Never did i mention a H-back or fullback because there aren't many! So I'm sure Juice isn't worried about "washing out" as a running back.

There are players that can't change who and what they are..

Some fairy tale movie does not change that. 

When you say sub-division football what do you mean?

 

You quoted a  movie as a reference of how players can be coached. I am telling you that is a fairy tale.

 

Like I said I would love the kid to make it but the proof will be on the field.

[Joey Flac]

There are players that can't change who and what they are..

Some fairy tale movie does not change that. 

When you say sub-division football what do you mean?

 

You quoted a  movie as a reference of how players can be coached. I am telling you that is a fairy tale.

 

Like I said I would love the kid to make it but the proof will be on the field.

 

Im done with you man... stop focusing on a movie! I was merely giving you an example of how you coach someone with bad ball security. It's a 24/7 process and the player has to relearn things by carrying a ball EVERYWHERE they go.  

 

You think high school athletes can absorb more than a professional? Movie or not, to think Juice "is what he is" is a little off base. Juice hasn't showed enough to fit the bill of what you described... He is entering his third year... second as a starter. 

 

How are you so confident to say that when he had a single full season starting at fullback?? 

 

I mentioned a lot of other things you can talk about but you choose a scene from Remember the Titans...

 

Sub-division isn't D-1 football... you're already lost on that so idk why I am wasting my time. 

 

If the front office had your faith in players, Jimmy Smith would of been cut his 3rd season... 

 

You said people who lose the ball going to ground are "uncoachable" but had nothing to say when i mentioned Dez Bryant did the SAME thing! Good thing you aren't a "coach"... that is kind of an important factor when deeming someone as "uncoachable."

 

Maybe you're just a poor evaluator of talent? Not so much the player can't play... 

 

You've made the same comment the past 3 times. Bring something new to the table or just let it go man.

Edited June 16, 2015 by Joey Flac

[Space11jams]

is that including the times he fumbled out of bounds or just the fumbles that were turnovers?

If it was half and half meaning once out of bounds and another being a TO then yes. He only had 2 fumbles last year dude.

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/roster/kyle-juszczyk/c4df3b1f-d35f-4a06-b8cf-7b9c4b64ab1d/ 

Edited June 17, 2015 by Space11jams

[January J]

If it was half and half meaning once out of bounds and another being a TO then yes. He only had 2 fumbles last year dude.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/roster/kyle-juszczyk/c4df3b1f-d35f-4a06-b8cf-7b9c4b64ab1d/

thanks for the info- I really wasn't sure.

[Space11jams]

thanks for the info- I really wasn't sure.

no problem dude

[Bohica5]

I gave you #8.  Had to. He did play TE at Harvard.  

But as a pro he is way too small to play TE.......and wouldn't you really have one of those monster TE's blocking instead of what we have at fullback?

[Bird Dog]

Great idea......Its funny how the more negs we get means we hit the right ideas......

 

Pretty sure camp is the very bottom of our receiver list and if ozzie is smart kyle is toast.......Bigger, younger, less fumbles is what we need........

You maybe right. I like using a tight end out of the backfield like the Bengals do. Make's an offense so much more versatile and creates match up problems. Better athletes need to be on the field. A bigger target for Joe will only help him and getting the ball to a better player will increase our YAC numbers. Believe me we have some TE's with talent and need to be part of the plan.   

Edited July 27, 2015 by Bird Dog