[News] Coordinators Give Updates On Rookie Progress

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OC Marc Trestman talks Breshad Perriman and Maxx Williams. Dean Pees throwing a lot at his rookies.

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[b93333]

Are there any rookies that haven't picked off Matt Schaub pass yet... maybe on offense. Sure hope he can get it together, he was a fine QB for a long time and his age shouldn't be a problem for quite a while yet.

[757RavensFan]

Good to know that the defense is getting up to speed in the mental aspect of the game.

[Crusader]

I'm sure the OC is not going to say "Man! that guy sucks" to the media. 95 Days and counting down to the real test who the Ravens are.

[reed20fence]

Are there any rookies that haven't picked off Matt Schaub pass yet... maybe on offense. Sure hope he can get it together, he was a fine QB for a long time and his age shouldn't be a problem for quite a while yet.

Schaub's presence with us is due to our being completely stripped of all the offensive staff Kubiak takes with him when he moves around. Joe may be familiar with Kubiak's playcalling and situational preferences after one year, but Schaub was with the guy for like 6 or 7 years. Combine Joe's skills, Trestman's element of newness, and augment it with Schaub's "what would Gary do" know-how, and you've got a dangerous brain trust

Edited June 10, 2015 by reed20fence

[ravensrock007]

Guys are developing faster at a younger age. I think our new OC is a blessing. Hit those young guys with pro ball stuff so they are ready,....I like it!

[ravensnj]

Guys are developing faster at a younger age. I think our new OC is a blessing. Hit those young guys with pro ball stuff so they are ready,....I like it!

 

I concur!   

[ellicottraven]

Breshad Perriman will shock the NFL this year. He is to the Ravens what Julio Jones is to the Falcons. Just a tad faster, that's all!

[harfordravenfan]

Breshad Perriman will shock the NFL this year. He is to the Ravens what Julio Jones is to the Falcons. Just a tad faster, that's all!

And didn't cost as much

[Mr.Incredible]

Boy I cant wait for preseason, watching these rookies in action is going to be great, it just feels so weird not watching football on sundays, it kinda makes you feel naked or lost.

[Mr.Incredible]

The WR battle is going to be fierce, when those pads come on and the real dog days of training camp begins and competition really reaches it's peak, that's when the peking order really gets established and we get to see who the real top dogs are. I predict the top 3 guys heading into week 1 of the regular season will be SSS, Perriman, and Aiken. What ya'll think?

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

It's good to hear that the younger guys are looking good during OTA's.

[mkam1904]

Breshad Perriman will shock the NFL this year. He is to the Ravens what Julio Jones is to the Falcons. Just a tad faster, that's all!

I totally agree and I think Kamar will be the Roddy White move the chains possession guy. With Maxx, Steve and Justin Forsett, Joe will catch fire this year.

[Saxxin]

I can't wait to see Waller in preseason. 6'6" with Tory Smith speed. He may be the steal of the draft. Ozzie said he was a sleeper pick. It's looking good so far for him.

[Cillmatic]

I can't wait to see Waller in preseason. 6'6" with Tory Smith speed. He may be the steal of the draft. Ozzie said he was a sleeper pick. It's looking good so far for him.

He's fast but he doesn't have Torrey Speed. Waller ran a 4.46, Torrey ran a mid 4.3

[jravens13]

This may go down as the Ravens best draft class since the Notorious 1996 Draft.

[jravens13]

Torrey Ran a 4.42

[RavenManiac#7]

Schaub's presence with us is due to our being completely stripped of all the offensive staff Kubiak takes with him when he moves around. Joe may be familiar with Kubiak's playcalling and situational preferences after one year, but Schaub was with the guy for like 6 or 7 years. Combine Joe's skills, Trestman's element of newness, and augment it with Schaub's "what would Gary do" know-how, and you've got a dangerous brain trust

You make a valid point, although we still do have Forsett, who is just as knowledgeable of Kubiak's system as the guys that moved with him, as you put it. But, I must confess, I'm having my doubts about Schaub. He was a successful QB for a number of years, but the last couple seasons have shown a Serious decline in his game. I was all about getting a veteran QB as a backup as opposed to a rookie or second year guy when we signed him and thought it was a good move. But now I'm not feeling all that warm and fuzzy about him. Looking at his last two years and reading about how poorly he is looking so far with us has me praying, even more than I always have, that Joe continues showing his incredible durability. As of now, I am totally Dreading the unthinkable prospect of Joe having to miss any time this year. And until we either read about, or better yet, see for ourselves, that Schaub has anything left to give, I Really don't want to see him on the field in a game that matters. By that, I mean Any regular season game. Without seeing that improvement on Schaub's part, the Only time I would want him on the field would be in a game that had absolutely No bearing in the standings or has any playoff repercussions. I'm still waiting to read something, anything really, that indicates that Schaub deserves any confidence from us. Right now, the prospect of seeing him line up under center is pretty scary.

[RavenManiac#7]

Are there any rookies that haven't picked off Matt Schaub pass yet... maybe on offense. Sure hope he can get it together, he was a fine QB for a long time and his age shouldn't be a problem for quite a while yet.

You're right. Age shouldn't be a problem yet, but Something sure does seem to be. Everything we've read so far indicates that we didn't find an adequate backup QB in Schaub. I think he has almost certainly lost some confidence in himself, which is devestating to a QB, and I also think his arm is, or has, gone/going on him. I hope I'm wrong about him. I hope he is able to turn things around. But right now, we're not hearing anything that sounds positive about what he's showing on the field. I hope, even more, that Joe continues his remarkable durability and we don't have to find ourselves in a position where we have to rely on Schaub to come through for us.

[RavensFootballFan]

I can't wait to see Waller in preseason. 6'6" with Tory Smith speed. He may be the steal of the draft. Ozzie said he was a sleeper pick. It's looking good so far for him.

 

He's fast but he doesn't have Torrey Speed. Waller ran a 4.46, Torrey ran a mid 4.3

 

The difference between 4.46 and 4.36 is less than one foot, basically an eyelash, throw in Waller's height and strength and that more than makes up for it. The average speed among WRs and CBs is 4.55 so Waller has above average speed. Dez Bryant runs a 4.52 and is one of the top WRs. Waller is bigger than Bryant and faster, so there is potential that Waller could be a top notch WR for the Ravens alongside Perriman in the future. 

[steelcityraven]

RavensFootballFan.... On paper.... Waller looks like a steal... and I really hope he is but one this is for sure... don't go by measurements when it comes to WR's.... some of the best WR's currently in the game and throughout the leagues history.... don't have great 40 times... or don't have the physical qualities. Look at Boldin (not fast but produces year in and year out).... Look at Wes Welker... (many said he was too small for the NFL but has put up numbers that most WR would die for). Most WRs coming into the league today are freaks but few of those draft day freaks produce consistently. I hope Waller learns to use his physical gifts but I am not getting my hopes up too much, just yet! I don't expect him to be Calvin Johnson, or even Torrey SMith for that matter.... but if he can produce in the redzone! I think he makes us a much more dangerous team!ANything else is a bounus

[Drew P]

What about that guy Cam Worthy is he still hurt?

[steelcityraven]

I am excited about this draft class. I expect Perriman to come in and contribute from day 1. I expect Williams to do the same but we have Pitta, Gilmore and Boyle who may all get reps... but I do expect Williams to contribute more and more as the season progresses! I expect CDavis to be in the rotation and see 15-or so reps per game and gradually increasing if his performance demands it (Like Timmy did last year). I don't expect as much out of ZSmith bc of who is in front of him but 10-12 reps per game (should give him some opportunities to show us what he can do). Tray Walker has more work to do and I don't expect him to contribute as much this season as I do next (unless it is on ST). Robert Myers.... also more of a longshot... with two of the best G in the league (Yanda and KO) in front and a very capable Urschel in the mix. I don't think Myers will see much PT (barring injuries) but that is a good thing bc it gives the 6th round pick the time to mature and develop in the pro game! Finally... I think that Buck Allen and Nick Boyle are wild cards. I think that Allen could add a little or a lot (especially in the passing game). I think that Boyle may be the surprise pick of the season for us! We are loaded at TE now, so his opportunities will be few but I am curious to see what he can do. Reminds me of when we drafted Pitta and Dickson and everyone originally though that Dickson was the guy... it turned out to be Pitta. Not suggesting that Maxx will not be the guy but that we may have found two future TE's to throw at defenses (like the Patriots had- minus the off the field issues). Cant wait for Sept!

[Mystigo_Dragon]

I like this progress report!

 

One of the things that make me give a side-eye to reports of rookies is the lofty praise given a guy only to see him either end up on the PS or outright released in the case of UFAs.

This report gives us a realistic glimpse without giving us a bunch of praise for guys who are actually "treading water" under a new, fast system!

 

When we get to the Pre-season we'll see who's the "wheat" and who's the "chaff"! Until then, this is as clear and concise report as we've had! 

Edited June 11, 2015 by Mystigo_Dragon

[RavensFootballFan]

RavensFootballFan.... On paper.... Waller looks like a steal... and I really hope he is but one this is for sure... don't go by measurements when it comes to WR's.... some of the best WR's currently in the game and throughout the leagues history.... don't have great 40 times... or don't have the physical qualities. Look at Boldin (not fast but produces year in and year out).... Look at Wes Welker... (many said he was too small for the NFL but has put up numbers that most WR would die for). Most WRs coming into the league today are freaks but few of those draft day freaks produce consistently. I hope Waller learns to use his physical gifts but I am not getting my hopes up too much, just yet! I don't expect him to be Calvin Johnson, or even Torrey SMith for that matter.... but if he can produce in the redzone! I think he makes us a much more dangerous team!ANything else is a bounus

 

40 yard dash times of the top 20 NFL WRs in average yardage last year below - 

 

1 - Antonio Brown - 4.47 

2 - Demaryius Thomas - 4.38

3 - Julio Jones - 4.39

4 - Jordy Nelson - 4.51

5 - Emanuel Sanders - 4.41

6 - T.Y. Hilton - 4.34

7- Golden Tate - 4.42

8 - Dez Bryant - 4.52

9 - Jeremy Maclin - 4.45

10 - Odell Beckham Jr - 4.43

11 - Randall Cobb - 4.46

12 - DeAndre Hopkins - 4.41

13 - DeSean Jackson - 4.35

14 - Alshon Jeffrey - 4.48

15 - Rob Gronkowski - 4.68

16 - Calvin Johnson - 4.35

17 - Steve Smith Sr - 4.39

18 - Anquan Boldin - 4.71

19 - Mike Evans - 4.43

20 - A.J. Green - 4.5

 

Only 2 of 20 are below the average speed of 4.55 - Rob Gronkowski and Anquan Boldin, both are special with a lot of strength to move aside defenders at line of scrimmage. Waller has both strength and speed. Welker is a short yardage specialist, his average yards per catch would not be a top 40 in any year he played, many times he got manhandled at line of scrimmage. He benefited playing with #12 whose specialty is short yardage/high percentage throws. I mentioned Waller has potential, nothing more. Like you, I am hoping for the best, Measurements does matter when it comes to throwing/pushing off defenders at line of scrimmage as well as win battles of jump balls. Half of top 10 WRs has above average measurements. Also speed does matter as 18 of top 20 WRs has above average speed. 

[Cillmatic]

The difference between 4.46 and 4.36 is less than one foot, basically an eyelash, throw in Waller's height and strength and that more than makes up for it. The average speed among WRs and CBs is 4.55 so Waller has above average speed. Dez Bryant runs a 4.52 and is one of the top WRs. Waller is bigger than Bryant and faster, so there is potential that Waller could be a top notch WR for the Ravens alongside Perriman in the future.

Lol no, 4.46 and 4.36 are totally different. 4.36 makes you a vicious deep threat. 4.46 is a good possession WR.

[steelcityraven]

RavensFootbalFan... I am not saying that size and speed don't mean anything.... Obviously they are both great tools but they are not the ultimate predictor of how someone will perform. Nearly every draft for the past decade or two has had a bust WR with all the intangibles taken in the first round! 10. Sylverter Morris taken by KC in 2000 was 6'3" 215 and ran mid 4.5s bust. 9. RJay Soward out of USC 8. David Terrell... 6'3 213 out of Michigan ran a 4.34 7. Freddie Mitchell taken in round 1 6'1 185 4.43 6. Ashley Lelie ou of Hawaii was 6'3" 196 and ran a 4.33 Charles Rogers 6'3 220 ran a 4.38 Reggie Williams 6,4 199 4.44, 3. Troy Williamson 6,1 203 ran a 4.34, Mike WIlliams out of USC 6'5 235 ran a 4.56 - ted Gin jr. 5'11- 185 4.38 Darious Heyward Bey 6,2 212 4.34 Matt Jones out of Arkansas 6,5 219 ran a 4.39.... in fact it you look at the fastest 40 times in combine history.... many of them have been average at best.... (Justin King 4.31 our own Yamon FIgures 4.3, DH BEy 4.29, Demarcus van dyke, and Jacoby Ford both 4.28- Marcus Goodwin WR out of Texas 4.27, Dri Archer 4.26.... the vast majority of the top 40 guys in the history of the combine have had mediocre careers. SO while I think speed and size are important factors.... they are not the end all when predicting success in the NFL. As I said... I am with you and I hope that Waller takes his freakish gifts and lights it up in the NFL but I am cautiously optimistic and mostly hope he is simply a great redzone target for Joe. If he does that he will have a much better pro career then most experts had projected for him. Ill take it... everything else would be a bonus!

[January J]

Lol no, 4.46 and 4.36 are totally different. 4.36 makes you a vicious deep threat. 4.46 is a good possession WR.

I'm no expert here.. But I would think a tenth of a second could be a difference of simply which runner comes out of his stance better. Plus you have to consider how they run with pads on. Some players are good at running track- and others are fast on the football feild.

[RavensFootballFan]

Lol no, 4.46 and 4.36 are totally different. 4.36 makes you a vicious deep threat. 4.46 is a good possession WR.

 

Ok, I understand what you are getting at. I respectfully disagree, you make it sound like there is a major gap as in several feet apart. 1/10th of a second is basically a blink. Try this, it is a link to an online stop watch, click start with your mouse and click in the same spot right away, as fast as you can, the fastest I could do clicking in the same spot twice as fast as I can was barely over 1/10th of a second (.158) Here is the link, have fun - http://stopwatch.onlineclock.net/  Also for fun, try blinking your eyes 10 times within one second. (I have 18 mbps speed)

[RavensFootballFan]

RavensFootbalFan... I am not saying that size and speed don't mean anything.... Obviously they are both great tools but they are not the ultimate predictor of how someone will perform. Nearly every draft for the past decade or two has had a bust WR with all the intangibles taken in the first round! 10. Sylverter Morris taken by KC in 2000 was 6'3" 215 and ran mid 4.5s bust. 9. RJay Soward out of USC 8. David Terrell... 6'3 213 out of Michigan ran a 4.34 7. Freddie Mitchell taken in round 1 6'1 185 4.43 6. Ashley Lelie ou of Hawaii was 6'3" 196 and ran a 4.33 Charles Rogers 6'3 220 ran a 4.38 Reggie Williams 6,4 199 4.44, 3. Troy Williamson 6,1 203 ran a 4.34, Mike WIlliams out of USC 6'5 235 ran a 4.56 - ted Gin jr. 5'11- 185 4.38 Darious Heyward Bey 6,2 212 4.34 Matt Jones out of Arkansas 6,5 219 ran a 4.39.... in fact it you look at the fastest 40 times in combine history.... many of them have been average at best.... (Justin King 4.31 our own Yamon FIgures 4.3, DH BEy 4.29, Demarcus van dyke, and Jacoby Ford both 4.28- Marcus Goodwin WR out of Texas 4.27, Dri Archer 4.26.... the vast majority of the top 40 guys in the history of the combine have had mediocre careers. SO while I think speed and size are important factors.... they are not the end all when predicting success in the NFL. As I said... I am with you and I hope that Waller takes his freakish gifts and lights it up in the NFL but I am cautiously optimistic and mostly hope he is simply a great redzone target for Joe. If he does that he will have a much better pro career then most experts had projected for him. Ill take it... everything else would be a bonus!

 

I completely agree that on paper is different than on field, that's obvious. I am aware that some very good players are below average in some measurements and some players with certain above average measurements don't pan out. Most teams go by measurements, someone can have the best hands on catching footballs in the world but lack certain measurements to be an NFL player. The only difference between you and I is that I think measurements does matter and your point of view is don't go by measurements, whether it be 3 of 4 or even 2 of 4. Waller has 4 of 4 (Speed, height, weight and strength) 9 of each top 10 WRs have above average measurements, players like Boldin and Welker are that 1 of every top 10 with below average speed. The teams look at measurements first and a look see later, not the other way around is all I was respectfully saying. Waller has an above average chance of making it in the NFL because he has above average measurements across the board. I really hope Waller pans out as he has all the measurements to be very good or even great. 

Edited June 12, 2015 by RavensFootballFan