[News] Late For Work 6/9: Joe Flacco Puts On Touchdown Clinic

[The Greek]

if Schaub does not look good in training camp and 1st preseason game than the powers that be will need to see who or what will be available from the scrap heap which will not be much. Stay healthy Joe.

[EdBallhawkReed20]

I think Matt Elam is going have a great year for a lot of reasons. He voiced when he played free safety that he would rather play strong safety. When he was moved to cornerback due to injury at the position he played horribly mainly because that is not an easy transition from safety to cornerback. Cornerback to safety is easier but not the other way around. The Ravens had him out of position his first two years which can ruin a players confidence even if you do move him back to his position. I think Matt Elam is going to be better after his first big hit or interception this year to restore his confidence. Practice is great and it may restore some confidence but he may not be fully confident until season and you pick off an opposing qb.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I cant wait to see Flacco putting on a TD clinic during the pre-season, season and post-season.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

FLACCO > RYAN no contest

[RavensBaltimore]

Just so we are clear, they both throw picks at about the same rate.

 

Schaub averages INT per 37.1 attempts, Vick is at per 36.2 attempts. If one is a turnover machine, the other has to be as well.

 

Even Joe is right around 40 attempts, so I wouldn't consider either to truly be a turnover machine.

Come on. Those are career numbers, which include Schaub's prime years, which are clearly irrelevant at this point, seeing as how he has obviously declined. In the past 2 seasons, Schaub has thrown one int per 23 attempts, which not only fits, but epitomizes the term "turnover machine".

[rmcjacket23]

Come on. Those are career numbers, which include Schaub's prime years, which are clearly irrelevant at this point, seeing as how he has obviously declined. In the past 2 seasons, Schaub has thrown one int per 23 attempts, which not only fits, but epitomizes the term "turnover machine".

Not really. You're taking a sample off of last season, where he threw 10 passes TOTAL. The last two times seasons where he actually played games, he was around 1 per 34 attempts.

 

Also, as I said, take a look at Vick's most recent years. Certainly not significantly better. That's the difference. Neither is good at this point, but you can't claim one is a turnover machine and one isn't.

[goddem1966]

Yeah, it's a shame about SHAUB, the RAVEN'S were smart to bring him in as he knows KUBIAC/TRESTMAN'S offense backwords and forwards.  They'll get him to a point where he'll be adquate for a game or two if nessesary (cross your finger's) look what they did last year with our make shift secondary.  He'll have a whole camp and preseason to at least stop the turnover's and we will just run the ball a lot, we have that luxury.

[boldtown]

Ryan or Joe? I was surprised when Joe was picked. I think he would have been a second rounder if the Ravens didn't pick him. I don't know of another team that was interested in him. So Ryan being picked ahead no big deal. Fast forward to the present. Ryan has everything Joe has and even more mobility. What Ryan doesn't have is the switch that Joe has. The switch that turns Joe from mundane to superstar. The will not to give up. However, it is strange how these two players are eerily similar with regards to regular season numbers. With Ryan have a passing minded team and Joe having a run first team, one would think the numbers would be more dramatic in difference. Besides, why not Joe? I take Joe over Ryan just for the magic.

[goddem1966]

talking about cosistancy, the qb position is probably the one of the hardest job ob the planet,its designed for a qb not to be consistant at every level and concept of the defense,you almost have to be super human to be consistant as a qb.I dont know what job to relate it to but,it's like walking a tightrope and having someone shaking the rope and someone else throwing trash cans at you all while doing calculis mathmatics at the same time.there really is few freek's that could pull this off on a consistant basis.and we have one that does it better than most.

[steelcityraven]

Rody White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez, HArry Douglas.... Heck- I could be a superstar QB with those weapons....I would bet that if Joe had weapons like that... the Falcons would have won a lot more playoff games/ probably still not as many as BMORE bc the franchise is balance and committed to winning- the Falcons don't know how to win and would have probably held Joe back from achieving the success he has in BMORE. That being said... I think Joe in Atlanta would have greatly out performed MAtt Ryan in Atlanta... and Joe in BMORE is even better~

[Mr.Incredible]

Hopefully Shaub can get his stuff together, just because you are most likely to be the backup doesn't mean you can just play uninspired and crappy. He needs a rude wakening, I don't know how the Texans did it but around here in RAVENS country, if you can't play up to the expectations you won't last long. Get it together Shaub.

[Grapple Raven]

This kid Renner looked pretty good so far, he might be a sleeper backup for us....

 

Renner was very good when he played at UNC until he injured his non-throwing shoulder. I agree with ya stix, he has a lot of potential.

[RavensBaltimore]

Not really. You're taking a sample off of last season, where he threw 10 passes TOTAL. The last two times seasons where he actually played games, he was around 1 per 34 attempts.

 

Also, as I said, take a look at Vick's most recent years. Certainly not significantly better. That's the difference. Neither is good at this point, but you can't claim one is a turnover machine and one isn't.

I'm combining last season to the previous year, which was obviously when his decline started, so that's the sample that best represents his current ability. What Shaub did 3 seasons ago is irrelevant, because he is clearly not the same player. You can look at his numbers or just watch him attempt a downfield pass and see that his arm has diminished. Even before his 10 attempts last year, there were preseason reports that his intermediate and deep passes fluttered and had nothing on them, causing them to be contested and picked. The last 2 seasons are an indication of who he is now, and yes, he has been a turnover machine.

 

As far as Vick goes, I'm not the one who suggested that we bring him in. He hasn't been as TO prone as Shaub recently, but I don't think the Ravens should or will consider bringing him in.

[Xmadraven]

The thing is we can't cut schaub cause 2 mil in dead money and we esentially threw away 2 million. Another veteran might be an option but for now schaub's the no.2

[PalmBayRaven]

Feeling vindicated for getting neg last week for criticizing Eugene Monroe. Apparently I am not alone in my opinion. Looks like the Ravens are disappointed in his play so far according to RSR. PFF has Monroe rated the 64th LT in the league and the 13th highest paid player on the payroll for Ravens. Hello.........

[Zeus]

Streeter haaaa

[wcowden]

Ryan or Joe? I was surprised when Joe was picked. I think he would have been a second rounder if the Ravens didn't pick him. I don't know of another team that was interested in him. So Ryan being picked ahead no big deal. Fast forward to the present. Ryan has everything Joe has and even more mobility. What Ryan doesn't have is the switch that Joe has. The switch that turns Joe from mundane to superstar. The will not to give up. However, it is strange how these two players are eerily similar with regards to regular season numbers. With Ryan have a passing minded team and Joe having a run first team, one would think the numbers would be more dramatic in difference. Besides, why not Joe? I take Joe over Ryan just for the magic.

 

 

The yards and TDs are in favor of Ryan.  Let's not forget that Ryan has missed a couple of games and Joe has started every game for the Ravens since being drafted.

[FLBoyRaven]

Flacco has also played in a much harder division then Ryan. It wasnt as easy a transition and Ryan has had the better offensive weapons throughout his career with not as many changes at offensive coordinator. Stats don't always serve justice but wins do and Joe is proven he can lead his team to the promise land.

[Ravenslifer]

I think the yards and TDs stats in favor of Ryan are misleading. He plays in an easier division in better weather conditions. Flacco has played 8 games in 2 seasons 4 years apart against the NFC South, something Ryan gets 6 games of every season. In those 8 games he has around 2200 yards with 15 TDs and 4 INTs.

[The Mom Gene]

The yards and TDs are in favor of Ryan.  Let's not forget that Ryan has missed a couple of games and Joe has started every game for the Ravens since being drafted.

And, yes, we must not forget that...  Joe has been more reliable as well...  and in a MUCH more physical and demanding Division.  And Ryan has had Reddy White and Julio...  and still can't win a playoff game.

[Edgar]

Feeling vindicated for getting neg last week for criticizing Eugene Monroe. Apparently I am not alone in my opinion. Looks like the Ravens are disappointed in his play so far according to RSR. PFF has Monroe rated the 64th LT in the league and the 13th highest paid player on the payroll for Ravens. Hello.........

I don't think there is a question that he has under-performed. For some reason you get blasted for pointing that out.

The stats don't support it perhaps but I see him as merely adequate to this point. It would be nice to have a rock at LT for sure.....easier to talk about finding than to actually find.

[berad]

Still think those QB practice jerseys are awesome and I'd buy one if they were offered!

[boldtown]

The yards and TDs are in favor of Ryan.  Let's not forget that Ryan has missed a couple of games and Joe has started every game for the Ravens since being drafted.

Yes, that is true. But flacco had cam as an oc. Who was called "low risk" game. That meant joe was playing handcuffed at times. So using cam as the crutch; I'll call that a push on number of games. Factor that and the weapons Ryan had/has. The number of td's, yardage and even playoff appearances, theoretically, should be greater in of favor Ryan. And really you can toss out the td's and yardage because the only record that counts is the win/lose. Since a qb's primary function is to manage the game to victory. Anything else is cake decoration.

[RavensFootballFan]

I was all set to watch Celebrity Family Feud with Terrell Suggs as one of competitors, only to find out it has been moved to June 28th. I had to find out through my DVR search of future shows rather than media update. Oh well, I will set the DVR to record the show again. lol

Edited June 22, 2015 by RavensFootballFan