No purple shades here...

[bertopr]

I look at all teams (FF season starting up soon),but these Ravens are built for a strong SB run. Only weak link we have is Pees..he's a bum. My break out player this year is Arthur Brown, he's foaming out the mouth.

[757RavensFan]

I look at all teams (FF season starting up soon),but these Ravens are built for a strong SB run. Only weak link we have is Pees..he's a bum. My break out player this year is Arthur Brown, he's foaming out the mouth.

 

Considering that we almost made it to the Super Bowl (convinced we would have beat Indy), Pees is far from a bum considering the secondary mash unit he had to work with almost the entire season.

[izvoodoo]

Considering that we almost made it to the Super Bowl (convinced we would have beat Indy), Pees is far from a bum considering the secondary mash unit he had to work with almost the entire season.

 

I look at all teams (FF season starting up soon),but these Ravens are built for a strong SB run. Only weak link we have is Pees..he's a bum. My break out player this year is Arthur Brown, he's foaming out the mouth.

Yeah, I don't think Pees is phenomenal by any means, but I don't think he's holding us back.  The fact that the SB defense won the SB is pretty convincing testimony. That defensive front was so weak, and he still made it work.  

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Considering that we almost made it to the Super Bowl (convinced we would have beat Indy), Pees is far from a bum considering the secondary mash unit he had to work with almost the entire season.

 

Pees isn't a bum but he's as average as average gets.I mean really,we have a stud at every position in the front seven and a whole bunch of big money contracts and first round picks in the secondary.How have we not been top 5 atleast ONCE?I wish he had some of the aggressiveness and creativity that Pagano and Rex Ryan brought to our defense.

 

I look at all teams (FF season starting up soon),but these Ravens are built for a strong SB run. Only weak link we have is Pees..he's a bum. My break out player this year is Arthur Brown, he's foaming out the mouth.

 

Hopefully Arthur Brown never sees the field this year.Also,we have alot of unproven players on our D-Line and in our passing game so I consider those to be the two weak links.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Yeah, I don't think Pees is phenomenal by any means, but I don't think he's holding us back.  The fact that the SB defense won the SB is pretty convincing testimony. That defensive front was so weak, and he still made it work.  

 

I don't think he's holding us back.  The fact that the SB defense won the SB is pretty convincing testimony. 

 

His superbowl defense gave up 170 rushing yards,almost 500 total yards and set a record for most points(32) given up by a superbowl winning team.The defense didn't didn't win the SB if you ask me and I don't think that's a good game to use if you want to defend him.

 

"That defensive front was so weak, and he still made it work.  "

 

That defensive front wasn't weak.We had Pernell Mcphee,Arthur Jones and Haloti Ngata on that D-line.At LB we had Suggs and Ray and Ellerbe and Kruger were playing out of their minds that year.

[izvoodoo]

I don't think he's holding us back.  The fact that the SB defense won the SB is pretty convincing testimony. 

 

His superbowl defense gave up 170 rushing yards,almost 500 total yards and set a record for most points(32) given up by a superbowl winning team.The defense didn't didn't win the SB if you ask me and I don't think that's a good game to use if you want to defend him.

 

"That defensive front was so weak, and he still made it work.  "

 

That defensive front wasn't weak.We had Pernell Mcphee,Arthur Jones and Haloti Ngata on that D-line.At LB we had Suggs and Ray and Ellerbe and Kruger were playing out of their minds that year.

First of all, we lost Ngata mid game.  Send, both Nose tackles were out of the NFL the next year.  McPhee was injured as well.

 

arthur Jones was the only quality starting DL that whole year, which is a difficult case when trying to keep the Dline fresh.  Guys were getting blown up.  Also suggs tore his achilles and was never in enough shape to really put in a ton of snaps.  It didn't really matter what formation we were in.  That starting Dline was getting blown up half the year.  

[K-Dog]

this again ?

[JoeyFlex5]

pees plays chess not checkers, so many think hes a bum because he doesnt send the house on every single snap, but hes not rex ryan or chuck pagano, and most DC's are nowhere near as aggressive as those 2, and for good reason, it only works with a certain lineup and very rarely can a DC pull off that kind of defense. pees mixes it up, disguised coverages, exotic blitzes, nickel zone blitz packages, 5 man standup pass rushes, pees is a borderline genius and has been forced to coach up an incredibly flawed defense.

 

look at our secondary in 2014, look where our defense finished in 2014, and people wanna call him a bum? cmon.  

 

but to the original point, the ravens this year should be in the top 5 SB favorites and anything lower is a slap in the face. 

 

order for SB favorites: 

1. seahawks 

2. packers

3. ravens 

4. patriots 

5. colts 

 

you can mix those 5 up any way you want, but if those teams arent making up your top 5, then your top 5 is questionable.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I look at all teams (FF season starting up soon),but these Ravens are built for a strong SB run. Only weak link we have is Pees..he's a bum. My break out player this year is Arthur Brown, he's foaming out the mouth.

Arthur Brown??? No way he breaks out unless Daryl Smith or Mosley gets hurt because if not there's no way Brown even sees the field.

[redrum52]

I'd be willing to bet people quit the Pees talk like they did with Juan last season. I dont think at any point did he have his starting secondary on the field at the same time.

[allblackraven]

pees plays chess not checkers, so many think hes a bum because he doesnt send the house on every single snap, but hes not rex ryan or chuck pagano, and most DC's are nowhere near as aggressive as those 2, and for good reason, it only works with a certain lineup and very rarely can a DC pull off that kind of defense. pees mixes it up, disguised coverages, exotic blitzes, nickel zone blitz packages, 5 man standup pass rushes, pees is a borderline genius and has been forced to coach up an incredibly flawed defense.

 

look at our secondary in 2014, look where our defense finished in 2014, and people wanna call him a bum? cmon.  

 

but to the original point, the ravens this year should be in the top 5 SB favorites and anything lower is a slap in the face. 

 

order for SB favorites: 

1. seahawks 

2. packers

3. ravens 

4. patriots 

5. colts 

 

you can mix those 5 up any way you want, but if those teams arent making up your top 5, then your top 5 is questionable.

I like the list of 6 to include Cardinals if Palmer has a healthy season.

[Guest]

I look at all teams (FF season starting up soon),but these Ravens are built for a strong SB run. Only weak link we have is Pees..he's a bum. My break out player this year is Arthur Brown, he's foaming out the mouth.

 

Yeah, not ready to frame Pees as a bum, he had nothing to do with the Post Championship Purge that we are still struggling to overcome.  He didn't draft Matt Elam, nor call him the top safety in that Draft.  He didn't insert him into the starting lineup prematurely and he didn't fail to resign Haloti Ngata. He didn't draft Jernigan or position the Defense so that Jernigan must fill Ngata's shoes.

 

I'm also not sold on Arthur Brown.

[Purple_City39]

Pees isn't a bum but he's as average as average gets.I mean really,we have a stud at every position in the front seven and a whole bunch of big money contracts and first round picks in the secondary.How have we not been top 5 atleast ONCE?I

I don't really like defending Pees as I'm not a fan of his, but it's not easy to see

 

2012 - Injuries everywhere. 

2013 - hmm

2014 - I mean, did you see that secondary??

 

2013 didn't have a bunch of big injuries that I can recall outside of Webb and a few nicks here and there, but it was also a lot of new faces with Lewis, Reed, Ellerbe, Kruger, Williams, and Graham all gone.  That's six names that started the superbowl from the previous season.  

2013 was the healthiest defense Pees had and it featured a ton of new faces

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I cant bring myself to call Pees a bum. I have often wondered why in the second half of the Patriots playoff game we stopped bringing preassure on Brady. The first half the DB's held up pretty well and the defense was getting some preassure on Brady but come the second half no more preassure was put on Brady and he picked the DB's apart. I think Pees is a very good coordinator I wish he would try some new looks and formations like we use to see from the Ravens defense. It will be interesting this year with all the young tallent we have on this team.

[Sami84]

I cant bring myself to call Pees a bum. I have often wondered why in the second half of the Patriots playoff game we stopped bringing preassure on Brady. The first half the DB's held up pretty well and the defense was getting some preassure on Brady but come the second half no more preassure was put on Brady and he picked the DB's apart. I think Pees is a very good coordinator I wish he would try some new looks and formations like we use to see from the Ravens defense. It will be interesting this year with all the young tallent we have on this team.

I watched the game..brady got rid of the ball in just over 1 second.

 

NO pass rush would get there in time..our secondary played and was put out there to act vulnerable.

[JoeyFlex5]

I like the list of 6 to include Cardinals if Palmer has a healthy season.

i can live with that, i would put either the cards or chargers at 6th

[JoeyFlex5]

I cant bring myself to call Pees a bum. I have often wondered why in the second half of the Patriots playoff game we stopped bringing preassure on Brady. The first half the DB's held up pretty well and the defense was getting some preassure on Brady but come the second half no more preassure was put on Brady and he picked the DB's apart. I think Pees is a very good coordinator I wish he would try some new looks and formations like we use to see from the Ravens defense. It will be interesting this year with all the young tallent we have on this team.

wut. 

 

pees is one of the best in the game at scheme diversity, firstly he has no base formation, it is a 3-4/4-3 hybrid that is constantly changing, he can go from a 5-2 formation all the way to 7 standup defenders, he has enough exotic blitz packages to bring out 1 or 2 per game and we will never see the same blitz twice, he is a genius at mixing up zone and man coverages and disguising the coverages from play to play. 

 

you can say pees isnt as aggressive as many other DC's and id be inclined to agree, but to say he doesnt show enough looks is kinda ridiculous.

[redrum52]

I don't really like defending Pees as I'm not a fan of his, but it's not easy to see

2012 - Injuries everywhere.

2013 - hmm

2014 - I mean, did you see that secondary??

2013 didn't have a bunch of big injuries that I can recall outside of Webb and a few nicks here and there, but it was also a lot of new faces with Lewis, Reed, Ellerbe, Kruger, Williams, and Graham all gone. That's six names that started the superbowl from the previous season.

2013 was the healthiest defense Pees had and it featured a ton of new faces

Also featured an offense that barely produced points and many times, seemed to fail to sustain drives. I'll bet tickets to the dolphins ravens game the defense is much improved if they stay somewhat healthy.

[redrum52]

wut.

pees is one of the best in the game at scheme diversity, firstly he has no base formation, it is a 3-4/4-3 hybrid that is constantly changing, he can go from a 5-2 formation all the way to 7 standup defenders, he has enough exotic blitz packages to bring out 1 or 2 per game and we will never see the same blitz twice, he is a genius at mixing up zone and man coverages and disguising the coverages from play to play.

you can say pees isnt as aggressive as many other DC's and id be inclined to agree, but to say he doesnt show enough looks is kinda ridiculous.

I'd love for people to call coverages on the game thread... most can't even tell the difference between man and zone.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd love for people to call coverages on the game thread... most can't even tell the difference between man and zone.

i find it humorous when people call for the corner's head when he covers the flat and the safety fails miserably picking up the deep sideline zone. 

 

cant expect all football fans to watch something other than the ball.

[The Mom Gene]

I don't think he's holding us back.  The fact that the SB defense won the SB is pretty convincing testimony. 

 

His superbowl defense gave up 170 rushing yards,almost 500 total yards and set a record for most points(32) given up by a superbowl winning team.The defense didn't didn't win the SB if you ask me and I don't think that's a good game to use if you want to defend him.

 

"That defensive front was so weak, and he still made it work.  "

 

That defensive front wasn't weak.We had Pernell Mcphee,Arthur Jones and Haloti Ngata on that D-line.At LB we had Suggs and Ray and Ellerbe and Kruger were playing out of their minds that year.

Don't forget Williams and Jernigan too.

 

Absolutely...  It was our leaky secondary that allowed the "32 points".....  We were torched by the pass.

And as far as Pees is concerned...  He's not the greatest..  but he is FAR from a bum. 

[redrum52]

I don't think he's holding us back. The fact that the SB defense won the SB is pretty convincing testimony.

His superbowl defense gave up 170 rushing yards,almost 500 total yards and set a record for most points(32) given up by a superbowl winning team.The defense didn't didn't win the SB if you ask me and I don't think that's a good game to use if you want to defend him.

"That defensive front was so weak, and he still made it work. "

That defensive front wasn't weak.We had Pernell Mcphee,Arthur Jones and Haloti Ngata on that D-line.At LB we had Suggs and Ray and Ellerbe and Kruger were playing out of their minds that year.

I'm pretty sure that defense lead in sacks and turnovers as well durinf the post aeason. Held Brady scoreless in the 2nd half of the Championship game. Also kept the score to only 6 points before Ngata went down in the SB. Pick 6 against Peyton and a pick to put the team in FG range. I'll never say the defense carried us that run, but they were far from carried as well. The whole TEAM came together during that run.

And the defense will be fine. He's far from the problem. I there there are bettr DCs, but he's not the problem. You can't play HOF qbs with practice squad corners/converted safeties and expect to win.

Edited June 9, 2015 by redrum52

[ellicottraven]

I look at all teams (FF season starting up soon),but these Ravens are built for a strong SB run. Only weak link we have is Pees..he's a bum. My break out player this year is Arthur Brown, he's foaming out the mouth.

Why would you call Pees a bum? Doesn't make sense at all. He is a bend but don't break DC, but he has done well with our defense, especially last year, when we were patchwork most season!

[January J]

pees plays chess not checkers, so many think hes a bum because he doesnt send the house on every single snap, but hes not rex ryan or chuck pagano, and most DC's are nowhere near as aggressive as those 2, and for good reason, it only works with a certain lineup and very rarely can a DC pull off that kind of defense. pees mixes it up, disguised coverages, exotic blitzes, nickel zone blitz packages, 5 man standup pass rushes, pees is a borderline genius and has been forced to coach up an incredibly flawed defense.

 

look at our secondary in 2014, look where our defense finished in 2014, and people wanna call him a bum? cmon.  

 

but to the original point, the ravens this year should be in the top 5 SB favorites and anything lower is a slap in the face. 

 

order for SB favorites: 

1. seahawks 

2. packers

3. ravens 

4. patriots 

5. colts 

 

you can mix those 5 up any way you want, but if those teams arent making up your top 5, then your top 5 is questionable.

i agree with all but the pats- no way the pats are contenders atleast at this point with the way their defense has been decimated. they will most likely make it to the playoffs but be one and done. id replace the pats with a team like dallas or even philly.

[JoeyFlex5]

i agree with all but the pats- no way the pats are contenders atleast at this point with the way their defense has been decimated. they will most likely make it to the playoffs but be one and done. id replace the pats with a team like dallas or even philly.

dallas and philly are both high on my list, but i cant, and never will be able to, simply count out brady and bellichick, 4 game suspension or not, i just can never say they dont belong in top 5 for SB contention, i dont care what the rest of their team looks like, as dirty and cheap as they may be, bellichick is still a genius and brady still may be the greatest qb to ever play.

[bertopr]

Pees is old n washed up..doesn't bring anything new to the table. Only reason he's had a little success IS because of the players(coaches) around him. This D could be better. I wasn't going by last seasons playoffs. Before we lost Jimmy n company we still looked average when we're not.As for my break out player...u don't have to agree with me just watch.

[K-Dog]

Wow......

just. Ummmm wow.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

wut. 

 

pees is one of the best in the game at scheme diversity, firstly he has no base formation, it is a 3-4/4-3 hybrid that is constantly changing, he can go from a 5-2 formation all the way to 7 standup defenders, he has enough exotic blitz packages to bring out 1 or 2 per game and we will never see the same blitz twice, he is a genius at mixing up zone and man coverages and disguising the coverages from play to play. 

 

you can say pees isnt as aggressive as many other DC's and id be inclined to agree, but to say he doesnt show enough looks is kinda ridiculous.

I guess I should have specified a little better what I meant. I was not talking about  normal football formations I know Pees runs every one of those. I am talking about exotic formations like we would see from Rex and Pagono in the past  get the offense really guessing..

[Tru11]

smh. 2012 SB defense had pretty much double the turnovers and sacks to any other defense in the play offs. from the colts game all the way to when the lights went out in the SB they where a suffocating defense that limited luck , manning and brady with the latter 2 coming in away games. heck the niners where not doing anything until the lights went out and momentum was lost and things got worse when ngata went out. rice fumbling did not help them either nor did the bad punt from the own redzone that lead to a huge return by ginn. people seriously need to look further then the final score... also im pretty pagano defense got torched way worse then pees defense in last seasons play off and I doubt the colts played with as bad as a secondary as we had. ow and last season the ravens where ranked #6 in points given up per game which is the most important stat for any defense. pretty darn good considering our secondary woes in a passing league...

[The Raven]

I'd be willing to bet people quit the Pees talk like they did with Juan last season. I dont think at any point did he have his starting secondary on the field at the same time.

 

Well, remember that they still don't give Castillo credit. Kubiak was given the credit for Castillo's work. Kubiak deserves a lot of credit of course but so many people just said Kubiak got all the credit. If the D does well this year, I'd bet people just give the credit to Ozzie for getting us so much talent Pees couldn't possibly screw up. Ya know?

Edited June 9, 2015 by The Raven