Jernigan's numbers compared to JJ Watt using PFF

[RavensFanMania]

Well and play the same position in the same type of defense.

Houston may play a 3-4 defense, but they play a 1 gap while we play a 2 gap.  It's a much different version of the 3-4.

[GrimCoconut]

Houston may play a 3-4 defense, but they play a 1 gap while we play a 2 gap.  It's a much different version of the 3-4.

Interesting how we changed some of our defense when Ngata came out of the game. I actually saw some penetrating from the DL as opposed to the read and react 2-gap philosophy we employed with Ngata in the line-up. I wonder if we may see more of an aggressive, attacking DL as opposed to 

Edited June 3, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[RavensFanMania]

Interesting how we changed some of our defense when Ngata came out of the game. I actually saw some penetrating from the DL as opposed to the read and react 2-gap philosophy we employed with Ngata in the line-up. I wonder if we may see more of an aggressive, attacking DL as opposed to 

very good point.  I could see this happening as well, it certainly would appeal to his strength. 

[CalvinSmoke]

Interesting how we changed some of our defense when Ngata came out of the game. I actually saw some penetrating from the DL as opposed to the read and react 2-gap philosophy we employed with Ngata in the line-up. I wonder if we may see more of an aggressive, attacking DL as opposed to

yea cause Jernigan lived in the backfield. He just wasn't finishing but it was very promising to see.

[Orange_Peanut]

you're comparing stats of JJ Watt who is double teamed on every play to Jernigan who is not. You have to keep in mind that a whole O-line is trying to stop Watt so extrapolating Jernigan's stats is unrealistic. People haven't started circling Jernigan's name on their calendar just yet.

[Guest]

# Name Team Passing Snaps Pass Rush Snaps Pass Rush % Sacks Hits Hurries Total Pressure PRP 1  J.J. Watt       Houston                      632 632 100.0 21 44 54 119 15.0 2  

Timmy Jernigan   Baltimore     191 188 98.4 4 7 12 23 9.7

 

I found these numbers extremely interesting.  If Timmy Jernigan played the same amount of passing snaps that JJ Watt had he would could have the following.  Yes I understand that when he is playing less he is much fresher so it won't work exactly that way, but this is interesting.  I believe Jernigan is going to show the most improvement of any second year Raven. 

 

JJ Watt had 3.3 times the amount of passing snaps Jernigan had.

With equal amount of passing snaps Jernigan 'could' have the following

Sacks - 14.5

Hits - 23.1

Hurries - 39.6

Total Pressures - 75.9

 

Thoughts?

 

What comes to mind is the old adage, "How to lie with Statistics".

 

Jerrigan will need to step up big time. With Ngata out of the mix that is still one of the Large unknowns.

[The Raven]

Interesting how we changed some of our defense when Ngata came out of the game. I actually saw some penetrating from the DL as opposed to the read and react 2-gap philosophy we employed with Ngata in the line-up. I wonder if we may see more of an aggressive, attacking DL as opposed to 

 

I'm actually not sure the two gap 3-4 is a viable defense anymore. 1. It's difficult to find linemen who are actually good at two gapping in the NFL and 2. These players usually aren't great pass rushers.

 

Not to mention, offensive linemen are getting faster and stronger at the same time. You need Ngata-types to compete with those guys. It's easier to find smaller, stronger, and faster linemen than the 340 pound freak athletes like Ngata you need to effectively run a two gap system. The two gap 3-4 is not really effective these days. 

[TXRavensFan]

I'm actually not sure the two gap 3-4 is a viable defense anymore. 1. It's difficult to find linemen who are actually good at two gapping in the NFL and 2. These players usually aren't great pass rushers.

 

Not to mention, offensive linemen are getting faster and stronger at the same time. You need Ngata-types to compete with those guys. It's easier to find smaller, stronger, and faster linemen than the 340 pound freak athletes like Ngata you need to effectively run a two gap system. The two gap 3-4 is not really effective these days. 

 

A true 2-gap 3-4 scheme has a 0 technique NT and two 5 technique DEs - more like what Pittsburgh plays. Even with Ngata in the lineup, he played as a 3 technique DT while Canty played as a 5 technique DE. I always thought the Ravens play more of a hybrid 4-3 under type of scheme, with Suggs as a Leo backer (who lines up like the other DE in a 4-3).

[The Raven]

A true 2-gap 3-4 scheme has a 0 technique NT and two 5 technique DEs - more like what Pittsburgh plays. Even with Ngata in the lineup, he played as a 3 technique DT while Canty played as a 5 technique DE. I always thought the Ravens play more of a hybrid 4-3 under type of scheme, with Suggs as a Leo backer (who lines up like the other DE in a 4-3).

 

Well, not exactly. It's a little more complicated than that. Ngata would often line up as a 3 and then 2 gap the 1 and the 3. 

[gabefergy]

Well, not exactly. It's a little more complicated than that. Ngata would often line up as a 3 and then 2 gap the 1 and the 3.

Yeah, we play kind of a hybrid 4-3 under with 3-4 gap principles. Ngata typically played the under tackle in alignment only while 2 gapping the A and B gaps. This is in base personnel at least. In sub packages, Ngata/Jernigan played a more traditional 3T looking to penetrate upfield and pressure the QB.

Jernigan filled in nicely for Ngata so the hope is that he will be able to do so in a full season as well. It's a lot of responsibility against the run, but it frees up the LBs to make plays.