[News] Late For Work 5/28: Why Joe Flacco Will Break Into Elite QB Club Under Marc Trestman

[riseNConquer81]

I believe the only way Camp isn't counting against the 90 man roster is by being put on the PUP list, but also think, at this point in the offseason he would have to clear waiver before the team could do that.  There is an unwritten rule that a team won't go after a player that is going on the PUP list, but a couple of years ago the Pats grabbed up the Giants tight end like that.

There is no PUP list in the offseason, that's only for preseason injuries, and players on PUP list are not subject to waivers or available to be signed by other teams through any means. They just cant get back on the field for 6 weeks if they are on the list once the season starts.

The only way to get him off the roster right now is to IR him.

Edited May 28, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[riseNConquer81]

No return duties for Webbie. Keep him healthy and on defense.

yeah, he's got way too many knee problems to make letting him go 11 on 1 with a kick coverage team a good idea and we dont have much going for us at corner outside of him and Jimmy.

[Bruce_Almty]

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[Purple&BlackHeart]

Joes is already elite to me so I could care less about the publics opinion.

[Purple&BlackHeart]

Omg seeing Haloti Ngata like that.... I think I just through up in my mouth a lil bit.

[Purple&BlackHeart]

I'm all for them putting our edge rushers on that top ten list, but really Cowboys OLine over ours. I'm not saying theirs sucks or anything but I feel like Dallas always gets way to much credit just because its Dallas.

[Purple&BlackHeart]

Also I don't care that a lot of people are calling Justin a one year wonder who shouldn't have been on the top 100 he deserved to be on this list and maybe a little higher too(top 5 back in the Nfl last year). Proud of you and well deserved to our RB savior last year.

Edited May 28, 2015 by Purple&BlackHeart

[TheRavengers]

Haloti Ngata wearing Lions is as strange as seeing Batman without a bat-shaped logo.

[fusuymada]

People focus too much on that 4000 passing yards per year mark. If your winning in the 4th quarter by more than a TD, you run the ball to burn up the clock. Therefore winning is not conducive to adding passing yards. When you have a strong defense and you play a ball control, clock control offense your not going to rack up passing yards. I think the funniest thing I saw last year was the game Flacco threw 5 TD's in the first 16 minutes. Ended up that Glennon threw for more yards, why, because the Ravens turned to running the ball and all Glennon did was throw, throw, throw. Flacco had 306 yds, Glennon had 314 yds. Because Glennon threw for more yards does that mean he is elite. I think given the nature of the team, even having Trestman wont make that big of a difference in Joes yardage because of the strength of our running game and because it is only in an attempt to protect the ball that the Ravens will continue to run when leading, which tends to happen when you win 9, 10 and 11 games a season.

[ravens4life86]

Flacco is already ELITE even if national media doesnt say so. He is on his way to the HOF. 6 of 7 years, Playoffs, 10 Playoff victories, most road victories in NFL history, SB MVP and Win, and 11-0 TD to INT playoff run through Brady and Manning arguably greatest run ever. OH and hes only halfway done, dude still has 8 to 10 years left could own virtually all playoff win records and another SB or 2. Pro bowls become popularity contest

[ravens4life86]

Second, to bad for Campanaro he seems to be injury prone. However great news for 6'6 235lb straight line speed demon Darren Waller. Secondary Deep threat, Jacoby replacement.. I want to see this guy get more opportunity now.

[runcontrol]

There is no PUP list in the offseason, that's only for preseason injuries, and players on PUP list are not subject to waivers or available to be signed by other teams through any means. They just cant get back on the field for 6 weeks if they are on the list once the season starts.

The only way to get him off the roster right now is to IR him.

This was in June of 2012 

 

"The Patriots were 31st on the waiver priority list — the last team Ballard had to slip past — but they foiled the Giants’ plan to re-sign Ballard and place him on the Physically Unable to Perform/Reserve list where he wouldn’t count against the 90-man limit."

Edited May 28, 2015 by runcontrol

[Purple&BlackHeart]

As for Webb on special team are you out of your mind? I don't even want him looking at special teams he might strain his eye and miss a few games, stick with defense brotha we need you at CB!

[FloridalovesRavens]

Joe will probably never be elite in the eyes of the sports media and even his peers (97 I think in top 100) what a joke. Putting Ryan and Newton among others ahead of him just blows my mind.

[The Mom Gene]

I believe the only way Camp isn't counting against the 90 man roster is by being put on the PUP list, but also think, at this point in the offseason he would have to clear waiver before the team could do that.  There is an unwritten rule that a team won't go after a player that is going on the PUP list, but a couple of years ago the Pats grabbed up the Giants tight end like that.

Just another instance of, you know, the Pats being the Pats...  LOL...

[The Mom Gene]

What I find rather insulting...  and not to discount the fact that Justin is on the list at all.....  He should be... and he should be much higher.  This list is based on LAST YEAR'S Performance....  not your cumulative history.....  BUT....

No way is Justin Forsett that much higher than Joe Flacco......  Just sayin.

[Purple Dawg 96]

To be "Elite" you have to "TAKE IT" it's not GIVEN just because! Two SBs have slipped through Joe's hands, one troy stripped him of a pass and two throwing that lame pass against the pats! Joe gotta stop with the "we'll get'em next time" mentality also, if he doesn't want it we won't get it,"it" being a SB! Sports columnist saw the pass he threw against the pats like I did and they see he threw our season away and "THAT" type of play will not get you elite status! Lombardi Trophies get you "ELITE" status and the Ravens should have FOUR to this date!

[ravens4life86]

@Purpledawg, I dont want to bring Cheater boy Brady into the convo but I will. Spygate and Deflategate aside, how many Rings did Brady win by himself?? Answer 0. Yet he is still considered ELITE, if only for the fact he is in a major market which gets more pub. Saying Flacco blew 2 SBs is idiotic, for this reason most are in wide agreement, that we were fighting an uphill battle once we lost a top 5 shutdown cb in Jimmy Smith. Which takes me back to Cheater boy, regardless of the scandals he doesnt get anywhere close to sniffing a SB if not for REVIS and Browner. FACT! It took Cheater boy a decade to win a SB again, you why he won because they DEFENSE WON it for him. Revis and Browner.. just like Bruski, Vrabel, Law and company. won it for them in early 2000s. So this year wasnt on Flacco is was about Jimmy Smith Injury. If Smith is healthy we are SB champs.. but you cant blame Flacco for giving up TWO 14 point leads that disgusting. Thats not Ravens DEFENSE. When Flacco drops 4 TDs you better win. Your in the minority brother sorry.

[rmcjacket23]

To be "Elite" you have to "TAKE IT" it's not GIVEN just because! Two SBs have slipped through Joe's hands, one troy stripped him of a pass and two throwing that lame pass against the pats! Joe gotta stop with the "we'll get'em next time" mentality also, if he doesn't want it we won't get it,"it" being a SB! Sports columnist saw the pass he threw against the pats like I did and they see he threw our season away and "THAT" type of play will not get you elite status! Lombardi Trophies get you "ELITE" status and the Ravens should have FOUR to this date!

Too much Steeler fan-like.

 

Too much focus on the past, remembering the good old days, and what woulda, coulda, shoulda.

 

I can promise Joe moved on, his teammates have moved, his coaches have moved on, and the franchise has moved on. The sooner fans do, they better fans they will be. What gets somebody to be "elite" is inherently subjective... there is no right or wrong answer. I, for one, don't measure "eliteness" by Lombardi's, because that's assigning a team accomplishment to an individual player.

[RavensBaltimore]

Lifelong argument.

 

Are wins a team achievement or an individual achievement? Its kind of hard to just assigning wins to an individual, regardless of position, in arguably the biggest team sport in the world.

 

In general, I'd sum it up like this... the great of the great QBs do both. They win AND they put up great statistics (at least in the context of their era). Fans of QBs with great stats and less wins tend to focus on stats, and fans of QBs with more wins and less stats tend to focus on wins.

For a qb, stats are just as much a team achievement as wins. Tom Brady's stats were no better than Flacco's until he got Moss, then Gronk. Drew Brees' stats were no better than Flacco's when his OC was Cam Cameron. Do you really think those qbs suddenly became elite in their 5th and 7th seasons, respectively? No. Their stats got better because of the players around them and the system improved, not because they improved individually.

 

Flacco has never played in an offense that's conducive to big passing stats. Despite that, he has proven over and over again that he can and does put up big numbers when his team needs him to, especially in the postseason, where since entering his prime in 2010, his stats are by far the best in the league. The best qb's do what it takes to WIN. Flacco can manage a game as well as anyone, and he can take over a game as well as anyone. 

 

Both stats and wins are highly affected by many variables, so you actually need to watch someone play to determine their ability. Flacco clearly has an elite ability to make all the throws and keep his team poised in clutch situations. His pocket presence and ability to read defenses are very good, if not elite, as well. You can brush Flacco's wins off as "team achievements" all you want, but many other qb's have had good teams around them, and almost none of them have all the winning records Joe has, and the team wasn't winning much in the 6 years before he was drafted, so he must have a lot to do with it. 

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

To be "Elite" you have to "TAKE IT" it's not GIVEN just because! Two SBs have slipped through Joe's hands, one troy stripped him of a pass and two throwing that lame pass against the pats! Joe gotta stop with the "we'll get'em next time" mentality also, if he doesn't want it we won't get it,"it" being a SB! Sports columnist saw the pass he threw against the pats like I did and they see he threw our season away and "THAT" type of play will not get you elite status! Lombardi Trophies get you "ELITE" status and the Ravens should have FOUR to this date!

 

You definitely cannot put that pass on Joe; Torrey made no attempt whatsoever to catch that ball.  If you watch the video again you can clearly see Torrey watch the defender make a play and then try to swat at him - a pathetic attempt and IMO i believe that's why the #Ravens didn't try to keep him.  

 

ALSO, don't forget Joe and the offense got TWO 14 point leads in that game and the defense gave it right back to the Pats.  If our secondary wasn't what it was last year we would have our 3rd ring - but like rmjacket said, coulda woulda shoulda.  I feel right now we are putting a better squad on the field this year, so if they stay healthy watch out! 

[boldtown]

can we grow up a stop talking about the status of joe flacco? the only people that worry about him are the ones across the field. the only ones that are concerned about joe's eliteness would be those tv talking heads that need to fill three minutes. or, a writer that has nothing with the deadline approaching. ravens' fans don't care. they know. they know joe's troubles and potential. the man was drafted seven years ago, won a super bowl three years ago, and has made the playoffs every year except for one. don't forget three trips to the afc championship on the road. not to mention that he has not missed a game. instead of elite, how about nonpareil for representing baltimore that has received respect from the nfl or the media.

[MarioDrama]

I love Harbs and how he defends Joe

[steelcityraven]

I think that Joe will have a great season bc he has a long ball threat (Perriman), a sure handed WR (SSS), A great cast a TE which Joe likes (Pitta, Williams, Boyle and Gilmore), a long red zone target (in both Williams and Waller) and RB's who can catch the ball out of the backfield (Forsett, Buck, Juice). That don't even count contributors like Marlon or Kamar or Camp (if he can stay healthy). Joe has all the tools and a great OL in front of him. IF he simply improves and manage the pocket better and making better decisions under pressure... Nobody will question his status in this league!

[steelcityraven]

I think that NGATA is going to regret his decision to leave (maybe not from a financial perspective but surely from a production perspective -as a player)! Wishing him well but really don't see any benefit for him other then $$$$$$

[rmcjacket23]

I think that NGATA is going to regret his decision to leave (maybe not from a financial perspective but surely from a production perspective -as a player)! Wishing him well but really don't see any benefit for him other then $$$$$$

Lions are an ascending team and organization. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they won that division and/or made a deep run in the playoffs. They've definitely got the talent to do it.

[hen826957]

@steelcityraven I agree I know Ngata would've gone to any other team in a millions years if it wasn't for the money because Ngata love this organization he a Raven. Maybe he return to the Ravens next season with a fair contract in 2016.

[rpolla22]

It's interesting in how there is so much focus on stats when what is more important is wins. Joe has taken us to the playoffs every year but one (and I personally think the issue there was the knee injury in Detroit. He clearly did not throw the same those last two games. Watch him float a pass to Torrey at the beginning of the New England game when no one was within 15 yards but had time to get there). He has the most road playoff wins in history. At 10 playoff wins he is in the top ten playoff winning quarterbacks of all time. His 2012 performance in the playoffs was stellar. But he hasn't thrown for 4000 yards (only 3986). Give me a break.

People also seem to forget we are a run oriented offense

[respecttheRaven]

You definitely cannot put that pass on Joe; Torrey made no attempt whatsoever to catch that ball.  If you watch the video again you can clearly see Torrey watch the defender make a play and then try to swat at him - a pathetic attempt and IMO i believe that's why the #Ravens didn't try to keep him.  

 

ALSO, don't forget Joe and the offense got TWO 14 point leads in that game and the defense gave it right back to the Pats.  If our secondary wasn't what it was last year we would have our 3rd ring - but like rmjacket said, coulda woulda shoulda.  I feel right now we are putting a better squad on the field this year, so if they stay healthy watch out! 

No doubt about it.......I still can't get it out of my mind......Torrey should have caught that ball, he had already made some much tougher than this one. To me it looks like he just gave up, like he ran out of gas. Here is a excellent video describing exactly what you and I, obviously saw!! That interception was NOT Joe's fault!!    The video was removed by Raven board patrol....I don't know why, there was nothing bad on it. It only showed the truth!!!

Edited May 29, 2015 by respecttheRaven
Video contains profanity.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Super Bowls are won and lost by teams not individual players and that is the way it should be. Blaming Joe or Torrey is just plain wrong. The Ravens have and will continue to bounce back from defeat because that is what good TEAMS do.