[News] Eisenberg: Just Watch, Kicking Change Will Rear Its Head

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Multiple games will be won and lost because the NFL moved back extra-point attempts.

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[757RavensFan]

If a 10 or 15 year penalty is called during the PAT attempt, Im hoping the rules don't allow them to say never mind we're going to do a 2pt attempt instead.

[Joey Flac]

I don%u2019t know about you, but if I%u2019m coaching a team looking at a 48-yard extra-point attempt, I%u2019m thinking hard about ditching the idea and going for two, since the ball spot for two-point attempts was not moved and will still be the 2-hardline.

Eisenberg...

If you got a 10-15 yard penalty... your 2-point conversion won't stay at the 2-yard line. You will move back to the 12 or 17... hardly a makable attempt at a conversion from over 10 yards out.

[Joey Flac]

If a 10 or 15 year penalty is called during the PAT attempt, Im hoping the rules don't allow them to say never mind we're going to do a 2pt attempt instead.

 

thats the thing i stuck on... the penalty would apply to the 2pt attempt too. That'd be the biggest misstep in sports. You couldn't apply that to any other play.

 

jump offsides on a field goal attempt then opt to go for it from the original spot? 

 

Eisenburg shoulda left that chunk out... why would that be the case? makes him look foolish saying that. 

Edited May 23, 2015 by Joey Flac

[Joebag]

Yeah, there are going to be some stupid outcomes from this. Seems like the NFL game is turning in to an XFL-esque joke.

[Joey Flac]

if the score indicates kicking an extra point has NO value then I see coaches opting to go for 2 to put games away.

score is 10-15.... losing team scores a touch down, and lead by a point. You would be fired if you didn't go for two in those situations late in the game. It will eliminate a teams chance to kick game tying/winning field goals by going for it when there is no value in the 2-points.

Idk if a coach will be as gutsy to go for 8 points to try and seal a game.. teams would have to score twice, but there is way too much risk involved if you fail.

So the biggest thing this does is changes the approach to the scoreboard even more. Making more competition can eliminate the amount of field goals that change games by making them not an option late in the games.

[4everraven]

Will teams have more of a base offense on the field with the 2d string QB as the holder for the PAT from the 15? This might force defenses to be more of a base defense rather than employing all that beef to push the center of the line back for a block. With a QB as the holder and WRs split out and TE or RB in the slot the threat of faking the PAT kick and going for the 2 points from the 15 will always be there. Defenses will have no choice but to have the regular defensive unit on the field. This in turn would greatly diminish the likelihood of a blocked PAT. Just a thought.

[ckarp34]

For the record. I think this new rule is a big mistake. It will change the game more than wanted and time will tell that. Won't be surprised if it's changed back in time.

[ravens533]

It sounds like this will cut out the fake PAT kick that a team may do that converts the PAT into two when least expected. That is the real shame of this rule. Now both teams will know that it will either be run/pass play at the 2 or a kick from the 15. For that reason, I am not in favor of this new rule.

[ellicottraven]

To tell you the truth, I am somewhat of a traditionalist. I was excited to watch football games just as they were played. I didn't need any additional excitement so I am not fully vested in this change quite yet. However, if it proves exciting and teams actually go for 2 point conversions which I seriously doubt, it may prove me wrong. So, while not terribly excited for this change, I am hoping to be impressed and not disappointed by it.

[drillem]

If you got a real good team but a lousy kicker you could lose games anyhow with this new change. It should be interesting. And kickers who are good are going to be the new quarterbacks.

[RavensBaltimore]

Is this really what the NFL wants? Instead of the excitement being in real drives, close games are going to be put in the hands of gimmicky shootout type plays. I've never heard anyone complaining about the PAT at all. I've never heard anyone express any desire to have the PAT affect the outcome of more games.

There are a lot of rules you could come up with that could make certain plays "more exciting", but they would be bad for the game overall. This is one of them.

[stixfix69]

I hate the rule change, because i'm old school, but i'm sure it will grow on me..... not like i have a choice....

[Maryland]

The only thing I really dislike about it is the surprise 2pt conversion is taken away. Remember that Week 1 game vs the Steelers when Koch just walked into the endzone near the end of a blowout victory? That is no longer possible.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

I like this new change.It puts teams with bad kickers at a disadvantage and we just so happen to have the best kicker in the AFC and one of the top 3 guys in the league.

[Corvus]

I'm going to defer to John Urschel's math on the subject, I don't think we'll see an exponential increase in 2 pt conversion attempts.

Also, I don't really see how it's fair if any team, including ours, is going to go for the PAT, gets a penalty on the try, and can just nullify that whole sequence by changing their mind and going for 2 from the 2. Shouldn't that penalty push back the conversion attempt as well?

[Jim Giampaoli]

Good points, Eisenberg. I fell asleep during extra point tries or retired to the kitchen for another cool one. Win or lose, this will keep me glued to my seat. More, for the price of admission.

[salamander]

My first inclination is in favor of a PAT rule change to make the game more interesting. With the old rule, the boring PAT is such a given that I go do something rather than watch it. However, I have a sneaking suspicion I will be the first one screaming to the high heavens if we lose a game by a blown PAT decision or bad execution. Cautiously optimistic but don't trust that this new rule could bite us in the backside and cost us a win. As long it just works against our opponent every time a game is at stake, then hey, all is good. Better practice up on my best string of 4 letter words just in case it costs us a game. It had better not cost us or my opinion on this new rule could change mighty quick.

Edited May 23, 2015 by salamander

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I like the fact that it will be harder to convert the extra point. However it is more important now to get Tucker his extension.

[BallSoHardBlake]

i just dont like the fact of it takes away the surprise of a fake kick with the kicker lined up and throwing instead...now its either go for it at the 2 when the D knows its coming or run a fake at the 15yd line which lets face it.....getting a 15yd score without your starting QB in is near impossible

[Grapple Raven]

Is this really what the NFL wants? Instead of the excitement being in real drives, close games are going to be put in the hands of gimmicky shootout type plays. I've never heard anyone complaining about the PAT at all. I've never heard anyone express any desire to have the PAT affect the outcome of more games. There are a lot of rules you could come up with that could make certain plays "more exciting", but they would be bad for the game overall. This is one of them.

 

Thank Belicheck for this!  I guess he is still chapped about the game he lost to Tucker here at M &T. lol

 

 

I am wondering if there will be an increase in injuries with these 2 pt. conversions, especially in a scenario with a game on the line.

[Purple&BlackHeart]

Not a big fan of the rule change I'm more of an old school guy. I am however optimistic with the ravens benefiting from this.

 

Creative head coach who used to be a special team head coach + A kicker who is is the best in the league today and both accurate and confident + a stable of big tight ends Maxx Williams6-4, Dennis Pitta6-4, Crockett Gillmore6-6, Nick Boyle6-4 + a flock of giant wide receivers Breshad Perriman,6-2, Kamar Aiken6-2, Marlon Brown6-5, Jeremy Butler6-2, Darren Waller6-6 + Large power backs Javorius Allen 6-0 220, Lorenzo Taliaferro 6-0 226, Kyle Juszczyk 6-1 248 = Not only more PAT's and 2 point conversions, but more redone scores to!!!

Edited May 23, 2015 by Purple&BlackHeart

[RRRRRavens]

Like many here I am old school. If the reliability of the PAT is too boring then whey don't we just change the value of a TD to 7 and forget the kick.

On the other hand if you want to innovate in this aspect of the game then please be more imaginative than merely moving the ball back 13 yards where it still is a near certainty that the one point will be made. In other posts I have already suggested other more entertaining things one can do for the point. As long as you have decided to make some changes make some big ones. Come on guys (owners), you can do better than this!!!

[HutHut]

Move the PAT to the 10 yard line, but make the two point conversion a three point conversion (also from the 10 yard line). So, you can either kick a safe 1 pointer or gamble on getting in the endzone for 3 points. Now that's a gamble to think about.

Edited May 24, 2015 by HutHut

[RavenManiac#7]

I just think this was a bad idea, period. Stop messing with the most popular game there is. The "powers to be" have already changed the game So much by handcuffing DBs in successful attempts to increase scoring. The rules they "adjusted" that make the secondaries have to try to cover receivers with their hands almost tied behind their backs have truly changed the game. Of course, defenses are still important, but a year like we had in 2000 when we basically won the SB on the strength of our defense, I believe, is gone. I can't see something like that happening again. There are still some "purists" out here that have always loved the game just the way it was and don't think all the changes that have, without doubt, altered it is necessarily a good thing. Sometimes, when it ain't broken, it doesn't need fixed.

[birdseye]

I don't think it will change the game plans that significantly in terms of when to go for 2 or not... No doubt it will impact the game Eisenberg, that's not really what the buzz is about from my perspective. I think everybody realizes it will impact games just as backup referees had an impact. Does it change a coaches mentality about kicking the PAT remains to be seen

[cec327]

Headsets for QB's and defense, the forward pass, 2-point conversion, instant replay, moving the goal posts etc. have certainly changed the game. Some would have argued that when these changes were made that they were not needed since the game wasn't broken, why fix it. The rule change may make a difference in some games but isn't why it was instituted? Everyone will adjust and in the end it will simply become an part of the game.

[balfan23]

I cannot imagine that the league set up this rule such that, if you line up for a PAT and get penalized, that you can say, wait - no, just kidding ... we're going for 2 so go ahead and line it up at the 2 yard line, as if the penalty never happened.

[balfan23]

I'm not a big fan of the rule, but when it comes down to it, I'm glad they didn't move the 2 point play up from the 2. That would have been seriously game altering ... and not IMO in a good way.

[markmhelix]

Why in the world would we want place kickers to play a bigger role in the outcomes of games?! Just a stupid idea