Maxx Williams vs Dennis Pitta vs Todd Heap

[PurpleCity5]

To clarify, Im not making any Gronk comparisons at all but I remember people weren't overly impressed with his speed either.

[Sami84]

There were a few others who didn't like him. I'll be honest, I was pretty fond of him but I suppose I was duped. Maybe I didn't watch enough football from the Gators. I'll say that Elam has only proven you right so far.

 

What i found laughable was people here saying he was an upgrade on pollard. Pollard has been a very good SS in his career much like the guy we had before him Duwan Landry.

 

 

Carl Davis to me is a low IQ player with a low motor. He gets away with stuff in college as he's big and strong but in the NFL he isn't going to cut it. Henry Anderson would have been a better pick. The more i look into the carl davis pick and the other options we had the more i dislike it. He's nothing special..i don't see what he brings that we don't already have .

Edited May 22, 2015 by Sami84

[Sami84]

To clarify, Im not making any Gronk comparisons at all but I remember people weren't overly impressed with his speed either.

 

He's not gronk. No one is. Ozzie could have given us a tight end set of Gronk and Pitta if it weren't for his obsession with that fat slob in alabama.

 

Maxx Williams is a pro bowl tight end in the mould of Rudolph/Miller with a bit of Owen Daniels. He's faster on the field then on the track. Also in 2-3 years he will be a top notch blocker. He's already pretty good for his age. He has the IT factor meaning..he knows how to play and get open.

[gabefergy]

Williams might have the best hands I have ever seen on a TE. I have a feeling he will struggle to get open though until he gets stronger and more acclimated to NFL game speed.

[Purple Punishment]

He's not gronk. No one is. Ozzie could have given us a tight end set of Gronk and Pitta if it weren't for his obsession with that fat slob in Alabama

Amen! Terrence C Cup Cody!

[Purple Punishment]

What i found laughable was people here saying he was an upgrade on pollard. Pollard has been a very good SS in his career much like the guy we had before him Duwan Landry.

Carl Davis to me is a low IQ player with a low motor. He gets away with stuff in college as he's big and strong but in the NFL he isn't going to cut it. Henry Anderson would have been a better pick. The more i look into the carl davis pick and the other options we had the more i dislike it. He's nothing special..i don't see what he brings that we don't already have .

I read a negative post without knowing who it was. I guessed the right person lol. We should make you GM for a day Sami. We'd won the super bowl

[lgcs27288]

I'm a bit surprised to see his leaping ability down played here. It's not the end all be all, but did you see him on sports science? I was impressed, he has the ability, it just depends on how he adapts.

[Bltravens]

I actually think tyler Lockett in the 3rd is the steal of all the WR's. Id have preferred him over carl davis who i think will be a flop. He might at best be a marcus spears quality player..just ok . I don;t like his attitude and he def doesn't play like a raven to me. Paul Dawson or Lockett would have been FAR FAR better picks.

 

Darren Waller is intriguing though.

To be honest that's likely what they're hoping with Jernigan being the pocket penetrator of the front 3.  I didn't watch Davis much this year but his selling point is his anchoring ability.  That alone would suggest the Spears theory comparison.

[PurpleCity5]

He's not gronk. No one is. Ozzie could have given us a tight end set of Gronk and Pitta if it weren't for his obsession with that fat slob in alabama.

 

Maxx Williams is a pro bowl tight end in the mould of Rudolph/Miller with a bit of Owen Daniels. He's faster on the field then on the track. Also in 2-3 years he will be a top notch blocker. He's already pretty good for his age. He has the IT factor meaning..he knows how to play and get open.

Just pointing out that speed isn't a deal breaker for TEs. Size and toughness mixed with route running makes guys like Tony Gonzalez, Greg Olsen, Rob Gronkowski and Charles Clay successful. 

 

Especially Clay, he wasn't the fastest guy and there we people claiming he might have to move to fullback due to the lack of athleticism. 

[JoeyFlex5]

having slow straight line speed doesnt equate to bad athleticism, hes just a natural playmaker. he seems to play faster than his 40 would indicate when he has the ball in his hands, hes a fluid athlete, not very sudden but he has enough well rounded ability to get open, and make defenders miss on occasion, whether its a juke, a hurdle, or a truck, pitta was very underrated in the YAC department. 

 

i see alot of pitta in maxx williams, but with better catch radius, maxx williams is just insane at hauling in those impossible throws, and he is only 20 years old so i think he still has ALOT of room to max his frame out, i think he can add another 10 lbs of muscle without losing a step, he isnt a very chiseled or overly thick guy which leads me to believe he can really bulk up and remain athletic. 

 

if i had to give a comparison, id say he reminds me of zach miller except having a slight edge over him in every aspect. he doesnt have the luxury of being stupid fast and he isnt a 6'6" guy who can jump into the stands, so he will have to win with technique and football IQ so im not sure his rookie season is spectacular, but i see pro bowl talent by year 3

[Sami84]

having slow straight line speed doesnt equate to bad athleticism, hes just a natural playmaker. he seems to play faster than his 40 would indicate when he has the ball in his hands, hes a fluid athlete, not very sudden but he has enough well rounded ability to get open, and make defenders miss on occasion, whether its a juke, a hurdle, or a truck, pitta was very underrated in the YAC department. 

 

i see alot of pitta in maxx williams, but with better catch radius, maxx williams is just insane at hauling in those impossible throws, and he is only 20 years old so i think he still has ALOT of room to max his frame out, i think he can add another 10 lbs of muscle without losing a step, he isnt a very chiseled or overly thick guy which leads me to believe he can really bulk up and remain athletic. 

 

if i had to give a comparison, id say he reminds me of zach miller except having a slight edge over him in every aspect. he doesnt have the luxury of being stupid fast and he isnt a 6'6" guy who can jump into the stands, so he will have to win with technique and football IQ so im not sure his rookie season is spectacular, but i see pro bowl talent by year 3

 

 

exactly..its like with perriman his field speed is much slower than his track speed. he is the ultimate project player..an athlete first a football player second..with maxx he's a football player.

[codizzle]

exactly..its like with perriman his field speed is much slower than his track speed. he is the ultimate project player..an athlete first a football player second..with maxx he's a football player.

Whatever you do dont generalize perriman or anything

"Ultimate project player" smh

[balfan23]

I don't recall you ever "praying" the Ravens not take Perriman before the draft. You've voiced concerns after the pick, but I don't remember you saying anything before we took him.

... incessantly  

[Sami84]

... incessantly  

i did..you'll have to see my post history but you will see that in one of the mocks i said a big no to perriman

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Gonna be fun to watch him develop with Joe, just cant watch him dunk on the goalpost

[jazz1988]

exactly..its like with perriman his field speed is much slower than his track speed. he is the ultimate project player..an athlete first a football player second..with maxx he's a football player.

 

Calling Perriman the ultimate project player is a little too much. The guy is raw  but he isn't that raw. 

[Sami84]

Calling Perriman the ultimate project player is a little too much. The guy is raw  but he isn't that raw. 

 

yeah bit harsh..i just hate his route running..its so stiff and lacks fluidity. Its like the anti- amari cooper.

[CalvinSmoke]

Some elitism going on over here... I don't expect Maxx to kill it but I'd love to be wrong. I wouldn't compare Maxx to Dennis, Pitta was amazing for us for a bit there, and Heap is a legend. Let's allow the rookie to earn his stripes

Edited May 24, 2015 by CalvinSmoke

[ellicottraven]

Maxx has more potential than Pitta had when drafted. It is also true that he is very young and very impressionable. It just depends on the type of coaching he gets and how he responds to it that will determine how he does this year.

[JoeyFlex5]

exactly..its like with perriman his field speed is much slower than his track speed. he is the ultimate project player..an athlete first a football player second..with maxx he's a football player.

we know how you feel about perriman, youve complained about it enough to engrave it in our brains, doesnt mean we care or anything. 

[JoeyFlex5]

yeah bit harsh..i just hate his route running..its so stiff and lacks fluidity. Its like the anti- amari cooper.

but the shiftiness is there, he has the ability, just needs refinement, its not even really the route running, its more little nuances that are bad in the nfl, but unless he has a football iq of 0.2 then it should be easily coachable, if he can learn to not immediately drop his head on go routes, and if he can learn to stop stutter stepping when the db gives him cushion, then his route running will essentially be nfl caliber. a 6'2" guy weighing over 210 lbs is naturally gonna be a little stiff in his breaks. 

 

call me crazy but i think hes further ahead of the curve than kevin white, who is what i would consider the ultimate project player, that guys route game is nonexistent and for being 6'3" with insane verticals you would think hes a little more adept at jumpballs, surprisingly hes just ok in that department, so unless he goes through some insane development or if he can just win with straight line speed then he will have the most growing pains of any first round wr taken this year

[SeaHawk]

I'm gonna love it when Perriman proves a certain annoyingly incessant poster on here wrong.

[ludy51]

I'm gonna love it when Perriman proves a certain annoyingly incessant poster on here wrong.

But but but, he was right about C.J mosely AND Elam. That's 2 players! That has to be a record or something Edited May 24, 2015 by ludy51

[Sami84]

But but but, he was right about C.J mosely AND Elam. That's 2 players! That has to be a record or something

I also raved about daryl smith and will hill when they signed for us.

[SeaHawk]

Woohoo!! 4 players out of thousands. Such an elite scout.

[ludy51]

Woohoo!! 4 players out of thousands. Such an elite scout.

I'm surprised that no one has hired him yet! We are so blessed

[K-Dog]

Stiff routs?

Look I don't care if he runs like a three legged gazelle in work boots. If he gets the job done I am all for the guy.

Even at that, ya always gotta put at least one man on him no matter what.

[balfan23]

i did..you'll have to see my post history but you will see that in one of the mocks i said a big no to perriman

I just have one question ... do you want to see Perriman succeed, so that the Ravens have the #1 WR and deep threat they need to be a contender, or do you hope he fails so that you can tell everyone "I told ya so"? 

[Sami84]

I just have one question ... do you want to see Perriman succeed, so that the Ravens have the #1 WR and deep threat they need to be a contender, or do you hope he fails so that you can tell everyone "I told ya so"? 

 

yes..i said in my post mock grade i want him to succeed and prove me wrong..even with elam..but i just have my doubts about his football IQ and his understanding of routes. I don't think he plays as big as he is much like torrey..even though he's bigger than torrey..

 

he just seems quite soft to me..

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Maxx is pretty young still same as all our rookies and has a lot of growing to do in terms of playing the game. I think he will be just fine.