2 kickers argument

[Cillmatic]

With this new rule enacted I think kickers legs are gonna be PRETTY tired. Think back to the lions game, Can to imagine if Tucker had to do 33 yard extra points as well as the 7 field goals, kickoffs AND the 61 yarder?! We would of lost he game, no one can kick that much and Long. Tucker's a beast but I think we should have someone who can handle kickoffs while Tucker rests his leg.

[GrimCoconut]

You bring up an interesting point but I think instead of two kickers, you may see punters share the responsibility. Manton is a guy who can kick and punt. Not saying Koch will be cut, but it's certainly a possibility we may let Koch go if Manton can do both jobs.

Clearly that's hyperbole, but simply a possibility.

[Tank 92]

So the thought is a 33 yard kick is more physically taxing than a 20 yarder?  idk.......

 

I do like the idea of a someone other than the guy kicking FGs doing KOs.  We did that for a while with Stover.

[757RavensFan]

Roster spots are TOO valuable to justify using one for another kicker.  I could see a shift in responsibilities, having the punter do  punts and kickoffs.

[GrimCoconut]

Roster spots are TOO valuable to justify using one for another kicker. I could see a shift in responsibilities, having the punter do punts and kickoffs.

Head this is what I think will happen, if there's any change at all.

[January J]

did we even score any touchdowns in the lions game? i thought that was the game that was won solely by the foot of justin tucker?  i know he kicked the 60 some yarder for the win but i dont remember us scoring other than that. anyway- i dont think theres much of a difference as far as stamina goes. although thats not sayin i dont think there should be 2 kickers. esp when you have multiple kickers that are talented.

[Moderator 3]

JJ makes a good point. If we're kicking that many FGs, I doubt there are many PATs.

[Sizzlebshu]

With this new rule enacted I think kickers legs are gonna be PRETTY tired. Think back to the lions game, Can to imagine if Tucker had to do 33 yard extra points as well as the 7 field goals, kickoffs AND the 61 yarder?! We would of lost he game, no one can kick that much and Long. Tucker's a beast but I think we should have someone who can handle kickoffs while Tucker rests his leg.

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The guy probably rests 58/60 mins a game (literally). I don't think his leg tiring out will be that much of an issue 

[RobFuseRaven]

You bring up an interesting point but I think instead of two kickers, you may see punters share the responsibility. Manton is a guy who can kick and punt. Not saying Koch will be cut, but it's certainly a possibility we may let Koch go if Manton can do both jobs.

Clearly that's hyperbole, but simply a possibility.

 

This is what I'm thinking. The second kicker would have to be a punter and a kicker to increase value.

[reed20]

This is not an issue.

[JamesRaven]

Tucker's current 20 yard PATs would easily be good from 33. No issue at all.

[K-Dog]

Are the one point kicks still gonna be the norm?

I certainly think so but does any one think the two will be any more common?

Edited May 20, 2015 by K-Dog

[CalvinSmoke]

Just have the punter do kick off if need be

[Bruce_Almty]

Score more touchdowns & kick fewer field goals. More touchdowns leads to more 2-pt conversions which leads to a less used JTuck. If they move the PAT back farther it will lead to more 2-pt attempts.

[allblackraven]

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The guy probably rests 58/60 mins a game (literally). I don't think his leg tiring out will be that much of an issue 

 

Definitely not an issue. Besides, when kicking for points you don't want to mess around with the kick strength too much - you follow your routine, make sure you execute the technique and then all kicks end up being pretty similar, regardless of the distance to posts.

[52520Andrew]

It shouldn't be much of a difference but if it comes down to it, just have the Punter do it as said

[codizzle]

Are the one point kicks still gonna be the norm?

I certainly think so but does any one think the two will be any more common?

Whoever has Billy will prolly second guess the Extra point every time

[Blackbirds Rule]

Head this is what I think will happen, if there's any change at all.

That or we start going for two pointers more often. To help out the kicker and change the game a little.

[757RavensFan]

What you rarely see now is the defense going all out to block an extra point attempt UNLESS it's late in the game and the extra pt ties or give the other team the lead. However, with the extra point attempt being moved back, I can see more teams making a real effort to block the PAT.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they try the longer PATs in pre-season last year?

[Purple_City39]

With this new rule enacted I think kickers legs are gonna be PRETTY tired. Think back to the lions game, Can to imagine if Tucker had to do 33 yard extra points as well as the 7 field goals, kickoffs AND the 61 yarder?! We would of lost he game, no one can kick that much and Long. Tucker's a beast but I think we should have someone who can handle kickoffs while Tucker rests his leg.

I don't get why this is a concern.  We're talking an additional 13 yards.  It's not like all extra points barely go through the upright as is.  Every single one Tucker, Stover, Cundiff, Haushka, or any other kick has ever kicked has at least another 20 yards on it and is stopped by the net.

 

If kickers have to put any additional leg strength into it, I doubt it would be enough to cause fatigue when they probably rest a good 50 total minutes (of football time, which doesn't include time outs, end of quarters, and penalties) a game.

 

There's no reason to keep 2 kickers and waste an additional roster spot.

[mg90]

What you rarely see now is the defense going all out to block an extra point attempt UNLESS it's late in the game and the extra pt ties or give the other team the lead. However, with the extra point attempt being moved back, I can see more teams making a real effort to block the PAT.

I wonder if this could translate into more injuries :/

[FlackAttack]

what is this baseball? we dont need a "relief" kicker. also, that lions game we didnt score any TDs lol

[Crabcakes&Football]

I think Tucker puts the same amount of juice on it from 33 as he does 15. And I really doubt any team with a decent kicker is gonna go for 2 point conversions more often. Sure PATs are a formality, but your team just scored a TD, it's pretty much a victory lap you're watching.

[beasy2487]

I think Tucker puts the same amount of juice on it from 33 as he does 15. And I really doubt any team with a decent kicker is gonna go for 2 point conversions more often. Sure PATs are a formality, but your team just scored a TD, it's pretty much a victory lap you're watching.

Agree with you on Tucker but I do think you're understating the statistical significance of being nearly guaranteed 7 points versus now having to accept 6 points as a more or less probable reality depending on the skill, dependability, and endurance of my kicker. Given cost-benefit, if I don't have a good kicker I go for it much more often with this rule change, why not? And what if, as a result, we start seeing more successful 2 point conversions, starting a trend?

I honestly think this rule change is going to dramatically impact kickers. I have no idea if it will be a positive or negative impact, but it is far from insignificant.

[January J]

what is this baseball? we dont need a "relief" kicker. also, that lions game we didnt score any TDs lol

lol I didn't think we did , tucker won that game almost single handedly. Or single footedly. Yeah man now harbaughs gonna have to start walkin out and tappin his right leg makin a call to the bullpen.

[Ravenatic20]

I don't see how kicking 20 balls in a game (5 FGs and 4 extra points, plus 10 kickoffs ... which is still a lot for most games) is a big deal.  Kickers boot hundreds of kicks in practice the week leading up to a game, and they get rest before a game.  Frankly, 33 yard FGs are not physically taxing - it's all mental.  Add another 10 yards to that then you have leg strength starting to come into the equation.  But overall I don't see 'kickers getting tired out' as a legitimate concern.

 

Now if you have one kicker who is autoMattic but not that strong from beyond 48 yards (cough cough) then it might be worthwhile to have a 2nd "power" kicker on hand.

[FlackAttack]

lol kickers are booting balls 10-20 times on the sideline before they go out for a field goal. this thread is hilarious

[stampedehero]

You bring up an interesting point but I think instead of two kickers, you may see punters share the responsibility. Manton is a guy who can kick and punt. Not saying Koch will be cut, but it's certainly a possibility we may let Koch go if Manton can do both jobs.

Clearly that's hyperbole, but simply a possibility.

I agree that punters should at least provide the extra point

[stampedehero]

Hey   We all have to agree we have a great FG kicker

[balfan23]

I think Tucker puts the same amount of juice on it from 33 as he does 15. And I really doubt any team with a decent kicker is gonna go for 2 point conversions more often. Sure PATs are a formality, but your team just scored a TD, it's pretty much a victory lap you're watching.

The only way you'll see a 2 PT attempt due to the move of the ball is in abysmal weather ... like that game in Chicago. But that is only because they didn't also move the 2 PT conversion up - which I am SO glad they did not do. 

 

A 2 PT conversion should be WAY more difficult than a PAT. The premium on that additional point should be rich ... so that it is only there when you are desperate. I do not want to see rules put in place that motivate teams to routinely go for 2 because it has been made too easy.