What Would You Like to See From Secondary

[baltimorefan328]

I had no idea where to put this so thought just make a new topic, mods please feel free to move if necessary.

 

Now I don't usually take websites like Bleachereport or others super seriously, but I saw a pretty interesting article on SBNation today ( http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/5/17/8616853/dime-packages-should-make-return). It essentially proposes that in primarily passing downs the Ravens use a dime package in a nickel set. Essentially Webb (or other big corner depending on outside match-ups), Jimmy, and Arrington (or webb in slot depending on match-ups), then placing Lewis and another safety (article proposes Miles but once Brooks comes back this could be particularly effective) and then placing Will Hill next to Mosely in a linebacker like position substituting for daryl smith.

 

With Smith another year older and presumably losing another half step, I actually really like this plan. This sort of all goes out the window if Arthur Brown progresses assuming he can cover, but if not again this sounds like an interesting plan. Apparently Pagano utilized this a lot in 2011 and I think it would be a good move to make. With Hill;s ability to cover big tight ends having him and Mosely in the middle could be very effective. This could also give Pees some more blitzing options having two quick guys in the middle, or even have Hill drop and bring lewis or the other safety on a blitz to confuse the offense.

 

In general though, now that we all have a decent idea of how the secondary, at least roster wise, is going to shape up barring injuries or another acquisition, I was just seeing what people would like to see from the secondary this here. Besides, it can't get much worse than last year (knocking on wood)

[The Raven]

I'll pass. I like Will Hill as a run stuffing safety, but I'm not going to pretend he can play in the box as a pseudo linebacker. Runs out of 11 formations (3 WR) are becoming ever more effective, and I would pity Will if a big fat guard got his hands on him. 

 

It's an interesting idea, but I like this more as a sub package used in obvious passing situations. It's too susceptible to the run to use in situations where there might be a run.

Edited May 17, 2015 by The Raven

[Cillmatic]

Just play like we did last year minus the +10 yards of cushion our corners gave WR's.

[JoeyFlex5]

will hill may be an attacking type of hybrid safety but he is by no means a pollard/chancellor type who essentially plays both LB and S, he is a safety through and through. he excels at man coverage on tight ends, intermediate zones, and has looked good on zone blitz packages designed to get him a free lane to the backfield, thats what he is best at and thats how he will be used unless kendrick lewis is a massive failure and we are forced to play hill at FS. 

 

if kendrick lewis pans out and shows starting caliber play in deep zone coverage, and if our secondary stays healthy for once, then that ties the whole secondary together. jimmy smith against those "#1 wrs" is a mismatch for us, he takes those big guys and makes them a nonfactor. webb is inconsistent and is always at risk for another injury, but he is still solid and savvy, and plays the ball well for his size. will hill is an elite hybrid safety, arrington is a 1 trick pony but he is among the best at that 1 trick(slot coverage), melvin is average depth for outside coverage and can handle some big tall guys as well. 

 

TLDR; jimmy is elite shutdown caliber, webb and ajax can play serviceable inside and out, arrington is an elite slot corner who is horrible on the outside, melvin is alright if we keep him matched up with the right guy(away from shifty slot guys), and will hill is simply a stud, kendrick lewis and the health of the unit are the 2 glaring question marks, but if those 2 things pan out then our secondary will be above average and definitely good enough to allow us to contend for a title, but thats of course if our team starts where we left off in the pass rush/OL/passing/rushing/run-stuffing departments.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I would like to see Webb and Jimmy get back up to speed and form early. If Jernigan can help the D-line get pressure on the QB and at the same time keep the running game in check that is going to help our DB's out as well. Jernigan did pretty good when he filled in for Ngata last year when he was suspended. I would not mind seeing more of Brooks but I want him healthy and fully recovered before he comes back so he does not have any set-backs. I like Lewis and Hill starting that in itself is a serious up-grade over Elam. I hate to keep picking on  Elam but until he starts tackling I dont want to even see him suit up. I say give someone else a chance to suit up on Sundays. Elam will have to earn his spot and the trust of his coaches /  team mates and the fans back. It will be hard because I think if he sees any playing time it is mostly going to be on special teams but at least he can work on his tackling there. At the risk of sounding like a serious hommer I think the Ravens are improved compared to last season after the draft and the few free agent signings we got and I think we are going to see a very special year as fans.

[GrimCoconut]

I want to see a lot of bail coverage. I love bail coverage and it can force turnovers. With Jimmy and Webb with Arrington I believe we can make it work very well. Hill and Lewis further cement this in my eyes.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I would also like to see more of  "THE ORGINISED CHAOS DEFENSE" I think we have both the tallent and speed to pull it off....

[BirdWatcher]

I want to see a lot of bail coverage. I love bail coverage and it can force turnovers. With Jimmy and Webb with Arrington I believe we can make it work very well. Hill and Lewis further cement this in my eyes.

I hope no one gets arrested so we don't need bail coverage.

[redrum52]

I'd like to see more turnovers.

[1/28/01]

I'd like to see the paper potential formulate into what it could become. If we're 75% of what we should be on D this year, wow!

[GrimCoconut]

I hope no one gets arrested so we don't need bail coverage.

Lol nice one.

[Inqui]

I want to see far fewer drives where the opposing RB gets stuffed for no gain and we get a sack for six yards, only for the QB to convert on 3rd and 16.

 

Hopefully that's not too much to ask.

[TDubbs]

What I would like to see from the Secondary can be summed up in 1 word ... HEALTH. I think the rest will take care of itself if we can keep Jimmy/Webby on the field. 

[hawkprey]

Some interceptions, seeing that we traded away our interception leader. You know, the defensive lineman who only played 12 games.

[Maryland]

I would like to see them play more press, but since this is not the way Pees does things, I would just like our CBs to make the first tackle, rather than whiff repeatedly and allow Edelman/Amendola to jog into the endzone.

 

Maybe I'm just misremembering the good ol days, but it seems like missed tackles was never this big of a problem in the NFL. I guess it's all thanks to the non-contact practice rules dictated by the new CBA. Of course, widespread poor tackling hurts everyone equally I suppose, at least in theory. 

[GrimCoconut]

I would like to see them play more press, but since this is not the way Pees does things, I would just like our CBs to make the first tackle, rather than whiff repeatedly and allow Edelman/Amendola to jog into the endzone.

 

Maybe I'm just misremembering the good ol days, but it seems like missed tackles was never this big of a problem in the NFL. I guess it's all thanks to the non-contact practice rules dictated by the new CBA. Of course, widespread poor tackling hurts everyone equally I suppose, at least in theory. 

I don't think it's fair to say Pees dislikes press coverage. I think they used to play that in NE when he was there, although who knows if he made that call or if it was Bill. The bottomline is that we didn't have the CBs to play man coverage last year with all our injuries and revolving door. We should be able to do it now, so this year we should see more press and hopefully some bail. I love press-bail coverage. 

[Maryland]

I don't think it's fair to say Pees dislikes press coverage. I think they used to play that in NE when he was there, although who knows if he made that call or if it was Bill. The bottomline is that we didn't have the CBs to play man coverage last year with all our injuries and revolving door. We should be able to do it now, so this year we should see more press and hopefully some bail. I love press-bail coverage. 

It seemed like Cary Williams was at his best in press coverage, yet Pees often played him 10 yards off. 

 

Though I agree that last year we absolutely did not have the talent at CB to press, other than Jimmy, who did press somewhat often. 

[ravensnick]

More INTs would be nice, but I really just want to see Jimmy play the whole season.

[PurpleCity5]

I really think things are set in stone right now for the secondary. Now it's just time to see what happens during OTA's and what not. I do think Hill and Lewis are the starting safeties for the team. All I want to see is Jimmy and Webb starting together. 

[757RavensFan]

Ideally, I would like to see the secondary become one cohesive unit.  Time to gel and understand each other's role as a group.  Hopefully, they'll be healthy enough to allow this happen.

[January J]

I'd like to see more turnovers.

no kidding dude - it's sad when ngata leads your team in interceptions. We have to create more take aways- that's what really puts games away.

[Cillmatic]

no kidding dude - it's sad when ngata leads your team in interceptions. We have to create more take aways- that's what really puts games away.

Dean Pees' defense is not designed

[Cillmatic]

no kidding dude - it's sad when ngata leads your team in interceptions. We have to create more take aways- that's what really puts games away.

Dean Pees' defense is not designed to force turnovers! he's explained the D multiple times and we've seen it. Even when we had a good secondary we didn't get many picks excluding Reed. If you want more turnovers you don't want Pees.

[Ravenslifer]

Just stay healthy, please.

[redrum52]

Dean Pees' defense is not designed to force turnovers! he's explained the D multiple times and we've seen it. Even when we had a good secondary we didn't get many picks excluding Reed. If you want more turnovers you don't want Pees.

I'd still guess that Pees wouldn't want and ILB and DT leading his team in ints, regardless of how it's designed.

[52520Andrew]

Well I would like to see us intercept every pass attempt from the opposing QB but I don't know if that is realistic. If guys can stay healthy though I would be really happy.

[beasy2487]

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[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Healthy starters first and foremost and development of our young players like Elam, Brooks, Jackson, Trawick, Levine, and Melvin.

I'd like to see us be more aggressive with our coverages to help give the pass rush that extra split second it needs to turn some of the hits/hurries into sacks. It looks like we're targeting bigger corners in the draft so hopefully this points to an effort to play more press coverage and trying to get receivers off their routes early.

Finally as has been mentioned a bunch - more turnovers. I feel like this used to always be a strength of our defense up until 2010/2011. Usually winning the turnover battle leads to winning games. It'd be nice to see us grab some more interceptions.

I can see all happening. They're interconnected in a way. If were healthy we have the talent and personnel to be more aggressive and play more man. Being more aggressive should lead to more hurried throws and bad decisions which should provide more turnovers.

[jazz1988]

Dean Pees' defense is not designed to force turnovers! he's explained the D multiple times and we've seen it. Even when we had a good secondary we didn't get many picks excluding Reed. If you want more turnovers you don't want Pees.

 

I don't know about that.Jimmy Smith isn't  a interception machine and Ladarius Webb was actually our best ball hawking cornerback at one time but he's been dealing with injuries. Corey Graham and  Cary Williams both had their best year interception wise with Dean Pees as the defensive cooridinator. I just don't  think the idea that getting more turnovers should be consider not a option with Pees as defensive cooridinator. 

 

In 2011 when The Ravens had more of  so called aggressive defensive coordinator  in Chuck Pagano the defense had a total of 15 interceptions and in 2013 when the defense had a much better secondary than in 2014 with Dean Pee as a defensive coordinator the defense had a total of 16 interceptions. Can't really say Dean Pees defensive system doesn't generate interceptions  or won't generate better numbers especially if the secondary stays healthy.

Edited May 20, 2015 by jazz1988

[beasy2487]

I don't know about that.Jimmy Smith isn't  a interception machine and Ladarius Webb was actually our best ball hawking cornerback at one time but he's been dealing with injuries. Corey Graham and  Cary Williams both had their best year interception wise with Dean Pees as the defensive cooridinator. I just don't  think the idea that getting more turnovers should be consider not a option with Pees as defensive cooridinator. 

 

In 2011 when The Ravens had more of  so called aggressive defensive coordinator  in Chuck Pagano the defense had a total of 15 interceptions and in 2013 when the defense had a much better secondary than in 2014 with Dean Pee as a defensive coordinator the defense had a total of 16 interceptions. Can't really say Dean Pees defensive system doesn't generate interceptions  or won't generate better numbers especially if the secondary stays healthy.

 

You've introduced logic into a conversation about Dean Pees. You've made a mistake.