Kapron Lewis-Moore and Brent Urban

[omar586]

So I guess Clowney could be stashed on the practice squad, too, huh?

since we're deep in DL position, you're gonna have to cut somebody, people that have contriubted and actually played like tyson and guy should make and have better chances of making the team & have tape on them, but urban and KLM have not played not even in pre-season. clowney is a 1st rnd pick well known due to his draft status, than  urban is a 4th rnd pick, not that clowney has set the world on fire,,,, but u know.

Edited May 18, 2015 by omar586

[Maryland]

since we're deep in DL position, you're gonna have to cut somebody, people that have contriubted and actually played like tyson and guy should make and have better chances of making the team & have tape on them, but urban and KLM have not played not even in pre-season. clowney is a 1st rnd pick well known due to his draft status, than  urban is a 4th rnd pick, not that clowney has set the world on fire,,,, but u know.

We're deep with mediocre talent at DE. Canty, Guy, Tyson, and Bilukidi would be backups on just about every team in the league. I honestly don't see who is going to stop Urban from becoming the starting 5-tech, barring injury. None of the named players have any significant financial investment, so cutting them would be a non-factor in terms of salary. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

since we're deep in DL position, you're gonna have to cut somebody, people that have contriubted and actually played like tyson and guy should make and have better chances of making the team & have tape on them, but urban and KLM have not played not even in pre-season. clowney is a 1st rnd pick well known due to his draft status, than urban is a 4th rnd pick, not that clowney has set the world on fire,,,, but u know.

Yes you will have to cut people but not that many.

Last year we kept 8 d-lineman. With that in mind you have:

Timmy Jernigan, Brandon Williams, Chris Canty, DeAngelo Tyson, Lawrence Guy, Bilukidi, Carl Davis, Brent Urban, KLM and then any UDFA.

But with the group of notable players there's 9, so if we use last years roster as a template you may only need to lose 1.

IMO Jernigan, Williams and Davis are the only 3 you absolutely have to take. I like Canty to stay so you have some vet leadership on the line. Guy, Bilukidi, and Tyson have all shown they can play as rotational guys but none set the world on fire.

Both Urban and KLM were really flashing during last training camp - there were constant reports that both were getting consistent pressure in the backfield and making splash plays.

I think only one of Urban, KLM, Tyson, Guy and Bilukidi gets cut. And who knows with his salary, age and mental state it may be Canty that gets cut if those guys all out play him.

But the point is you don't have to try and stash them on the PS. And it's not like Urban and KLM's competition to make the roster is Haloti Ngata, it's guys that are 5th through 8th on the depth chart. If both are healthy they've shown the ability to contribute to this team.

[GrimCoconut]

since we're deep in DL position, you're gonna have to cut somebody, people that have contriubted and actually played like tyson and guy should make and have better chances of making the team & have tape on them, but urban and KLM have not played not even in pre-season. clowney is a 1st rnd pick well known due to his draft status, than  urban is a 4th rnd pick, not that clowney has set the world on fire,,,, but u know.

We're deep, but as others stated, lack proven depth and as a result, you'll see a lot of competition. I find it very unlikely that the Ravens cut a guy they had a 2nd round grade on who they got in the 4th round even if he is coming off of an injury. I honestly feel like that's very shortsighted and just doesn't make any sense. We have Chris Canty, who is old and was cut once and we re-signed due to needing a veteran presence when we lost our veteran leadership in Ngata. We have Jernigan and Williams, who are both good, and Tyson, who I like a lot, as well as just drafted Davis.

 

That's five guys for a 3-4 team. I can't see any scenario where Urban is cut unless he sleeps with Harbaugh's wife, sleeps on the job while on the field, just looks lazy and detached (Tommy Streeter), doesn't care, etc. I just can't see Urban  off the team for a similar reason regarding Clowney. One injury doesn't cost him his future. Now, this situation is very different from Lewis-Moore's, who has had chances and is coming off of multiple injuries. I do strongly believe he could be someone that could be stashed on the PS. I just don't see it in Urban. 

[JoeyFlex5]

and suddenly the boards cope with the fact that KLM is a tragic story that will never pan out. i remember telling everyone a few months back that KLM has a barefoot and in the rain uphill climb. for a guy whos never taken a NFL snap 2 injuries of this severity is ALOT to overcome. 

 

urban, i like the idea of him, the size, the strength, the length, but he also has a severe injury with no NFL snaps and carl davis is a legitimate contender for a starting role by midseason, i personally like the idea of 3 big bodied guys on all downs to impose the will, bully and beat down opponents while also free'ing the edge players up and it also makes for more effective stunt packages when you overwhelm the OL with brute force, a starting lineup of jernigan, williams, and davis can do just that, not to mention both jernigan and davis have some moves and they know how to get in the backfield. 

 

i think instead of talking about the starting lineup though, its more about the rotation, thats always been the biggest strength on our team and it looks as good now as its ever looked.

[JoeyFlex5]

We're deep with mediocre talent at DE. Canty, Guy, Tyson, and Bilukidi would be backups on just about every team in the league. I honestly don't see who is going to stop Urban from becoming the starting 5-tech, barring injury. None of the named players have any significant financial investment, so cutting them would be a non-factor in terms of salary. 

but then who is carl davis competing with? his athleticism for his size is legit and with some refinement hes an immediate contender for a nice snapcount at 5-tech, and if urban is the guy for the 5-tech that means that carl davis isnt seeing the field enough or he is taking snaps from jernigan. 

 

carl davis isnt a NT and i think he loses value there, in our 3 man front he looks like he projects to a 5-tech, and jernigan has the 3-technique on the other side pretty much on lockdown. idk about you, but i like carl davis much more than urban on our defense when talking about who gets the bulk of the snaps

[GrimCoconut]

but then who is carl davis competing with? his athleticism for his size is legit and with some refinement hes an immediate contender for a nice snapcount at 5-tech, and if urban is the guy for the 5-tech that means that carl davis isnt seeing the field enough or he is taking snaps from jernigan.

carl davis isnt a NT and i think he loses value there, in our 3 man front he looks like he projects to a 5-tech, and jernigan has the 3-technique on the other side pretty much on lockdown. idk about you, but i like carl davis much more than urban on our defense when talking about who gets the bulk of the snaps

I think ideally that's how you use Davis this year at the very least. A rotation of Canty, Urban, Tyson and Davis at DE is an ideal rotation in my eyes and should keep them all fresh and productive.

[JoeyFlex5]

I think ideally that's how you use Davis this year at the very least. A rotation of Canty, Urban, Tyson and Davis at DE is an ideal rotation in my eyes and should keep them all fresh and productive.

thats what im saying, but at this point i dont know if any of our options at the 5-tech should be taking meaningful snaps from davis, davis looks like the best player at that position for us even without seeing a nfl snap from him, and i feel this confidently about him mostly thanks to clarence brooks. urban strikes me as a good rotational guy and someone who can come in and bring some pressure on passing downs, but i think carl davis looks like the starter, he can hold down the 2 gap scheme, he eats up space and anchors well, and free's up the LB's, and can push some pocket and penetrates surprisingly well with a nice swim move and a nice "close-in-and-benchpress" move, urban just doesnt seem like the more complete player to me and i feel urban would need one hell of a preseason/TC to take the bulk of the snaps come regular season

[ravensnick]

thats what im saying, but at this point i dont know if any of our options at the 5-tech should be taking meaningful snaps from davis, davis looks like the best player at that position for us even without seeing a nfl snap from him, and i feel this confidently about him mostly thanks to clarence brooks. urban strikes me as a good rotational guy and someone who can come in and bring some pressure on passing downs, but i think carl davis looks like the starter, he can hold down the 2 gap scheme, he eats up space and anchors well, and free's up the LB's, and can push some pocket and penetrates surprisingly well with a nice swim move and a nice "close-in-and-benchpress" move, urban just doesnt seem like the more complete player to me and i feel urban would need one hell of a preseason/TC to take the bulk of the snaps come regular season

DL is probably the most tiring position on the field. They need to be rotated a good bit to stay effective. Look at what we have done the last couple years.

[GrimCoconut]

I think Davis is a DT not a DE. Guy and Biluki are the bottom of the DE rotation.

Well he has the size to be effective there. I don't see why he can't work out as a DE. I'm guessing you say this because he isn't the best pass rusher?

[JoeyFlex5]

DL is probably the most tiring position on the field. They need to be rotated a good bit to stay effective. Look at what we have done the last couple years.

i know this, but one guy will get a bulk of the snaps for many reasons, well roundedness being the biggest one, you cant be a starter on our DL without being able to stop the run, urbans ability to stop the run i can say without a shadow of a doubt wont be better than davis. if davis and urban are splitting snaps id like to see a 60/40 split just because i feel davis would offer more.

[JoeyFlex5]

I think Davis is a DT not a DE. Guy and Biluki are the bottom of the DE rotation.

a DT and DE is a blurred line in a 3-4. ngata played DE more often than DT for us, its about the role not the position. davis will likely be lined up over the OT holding down 2 gaps, williams is normally lined up over the C holding down 2 gaps, and the true DT on the team right now is jernigan and he typically plays a 1 gap role between the T and G, that leaves 1 OLB on a island with the OT and the other OT facing a mismatch against the DE and the OLB. putting davis in the DT role would mean he gets single gap penetration responsibilities while jernigan is playing 2 gaps lined up over the OT, thats de-valuing both players big time. 

[ravensfan160]

I liked KLM when we drafted him. He was a much more talented player than where we drafted him because of his injury. But for him to suffer another knee injury so quickly after returning from the first has me tempering my expectations for him. It will be what...2 1/2 years (possibly longer I'm not sure) since he's played in a game assuming he is healthy for the preseason this year. I feel for the guy but he might be damaged goods at this point. We are so deep on the d-line he might be odd man out.

[BmoreBird22]

I believe that's three straight years with a knee injury dating back to college

[GrimCoconut]

I believe that's three straight years with a knee injury dating back to college

I believe you're right. He had one in 2011, and then had one in 2013, which was technically the very last game of the 2012 year but still. Then he had one as a pro in 2014 after staying on IR the whole year.

Well, it's not three straight years of injuries to the knee, however. He tore his Achilles and that's not a knee injury.

Edited May 18, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[BmoreBird22]

I believe you're right. He had one in 2011, and then had one in 2013, which was technically the very last game of the 2012 year but still. Then he had one as a pro in 2014 after staying on IR the whole year.

Well, it's not three straight years of injuries to the knee, however. He tore his Achilles and that's not a knee injury.

Just three straight injuries that affect explosiveness

[Willbacker]

Right now just an opinion but I see a starting line of Jernigan on 3 tech,Williams on the nose and Canty lining up in the 5 tech on a basic 3-4 line. Rotation guys on the DE position will be Tyson,Urban(subject matter) and Guy with Lewis Moore(subject matter) on the outside looking in. Davis will likely start backing up the nose with Jernigan possibly playing nose on passing situations. Since I believe we're only gonna keep 7 DLinemen Lewis-Moore is really gonna have to have an impressive camp to make the final 53 barring any sort of injury to anybody.

[dhstandard]

2011: detached MCL vs USC. http://irish.nbcsports.com/2011/10/25/lewis-moore-lost-for-year-with-knee-injury/

2013: torn ACL vs Alabama. http://www.uhnd.com/articles/football/kapron-lewismoore-suffers-acl-injury-title-game-12455/

2014: torn Achilles tendon in practice. http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Kapron-Lewis-Moore-Suffers-Season-Ending-Achilles-Injury/2a57a3f4-1a73-4950-97fb-e9f250d75abd

I'm a fan of Lewis Moore and was before we drafted him, but his history of leg, and knee injuries in particular, are very concerning. I'm hopeful but not very optimistic.

 

Even if he does stay healthy he's a shell of his former self at this point.  He could have been first round talent if not for his injuries.