Ravens OTAs and minicamp discussion

[VeiledPsychosis]

your trying way too hard with the Doss and Brown part. I've said plenty of times that I not only have Brown as a lock but I have him catching 65-70 balls this year. Please show me one post or even comment for that matter where I said Aiken was a bum and in serious danger of getting cut? The simply fact that you translate me saying he'll have to compete and "it's possible" that if he's outplayed he could be cut, is why i make the Aiken being a legend comment. The fact that you are so willing to call a guy who has 24 career catches a "proven target" is why i make a mock of the Aiken being a legend around here. 

 

Ok so this is getting ridiculous, so I'll keep it simple. Are you telling me that if Kamar Aiken has a rough camp and others play very well that based on his 24 catches 200+ yds and 3TD from last season he's safe from getting cut?

How was I "trying way too hard with the Doss and Brown part?" please, I invite you to teach me, I stated nothing but facts in my brief address between the two of them. Browns first year far exceeded anything Doss ever did, thats just a fact.

I can't find a single post where you said Aiken was a bum, you wanna know why? because you never said that and I never said that you did, I said you are acting as if he is. Theres a big difference between acting like he's a bum and explicitly stating it.

When i said "acting as if he is in serious danger of being cut" I wasn't saying "you are acting like it is highly probable that he'll be cut" I was saying "you are acting as if its a realistic probability." And its just plain not. If you want to be technical about it, obviously nobody is safe, SSS could be cut, Perriman could be cut, whether it "could" happen is beside the point, its a matter of whether the scenario in which it would happen is even worth considering and in the case of SSS, Perriman, Brown, and Aiken its not.

You keep saying Aiken only has 24 catches, Aiken only has 24 catches, Aiken only has 24 catches....In a vacuum in which all WRs in the NFL are only equal ground, sure thats not very impressive, but lets take a step back into reality in which Aiken started the season as the #5 WR, maybe even #6 depending on how you felt about Camp, its gets much more impressive. Nobody ever said Aiken is a legend or HOFer, even for hyperbole that a bit much. Theres a vast difference between being considered a lock to make the roster and being a "legend."

Considering Aiken has everything you want out of a receiver and when called upon and given more snaps he produced (not at "legend" levels, nobody is saying that), i.e. the Chargers and Dolphins games, he definitely should be considered a lock. He easily proved last season that he is a dependable target when on the field.

Could he have a rough camp? yeah, could anyone? yeah. But how "rough" of a camp would he need ot not make the roster is the question. And that bad of a camp simply isn't a realistic possibility.

[beasy2487]

you're biased!

no you are!

nuh uh!

yesss huh!

/thisthread

liked what I read about Aiken but im really intrigued by the Williams-Boyle competition. Williams may have higher upside but Boyle seems to be far more NFL-ready. I'll be following those two closely.

[rmw10]

It's really encouraging to see Brooks up and going already.  If he's participating in 7v7, it's possible he might not need to start the year on the PUP list.

[Edgar]

Arthur brown appears thicker through the chest and arms.

Not much being said about Maxx......

Edited June 4, 2015 by Edgar

[baltimorefan328]

I believe our TE group is going to present unique challenges to defenses. When you have Gillmore, Boyle and Williams or any combination of 2 TE sets, it is going to be impossible to know whether we pass or run and equally impossible to defend either. And all three can catch and at least Gillmore and Boyle are fabulous pass blockers and run blockers as well!

I think this is severely overlooked. Although we're a long way gone now from the Cam days, one of my biggest complaints was based on the WRs that were in the game it was sooo obvious whether it was going to be a running play or passing play. Having 3 tight ends who are capable blockers and who can catch is going to be so huge for this offense

[harfordravenfan]

Arthur brown appears thicker through the chest and arms.

Not much being said about Maxx......

 

Got me thinking... Really didn't see any news on A Brown. Would love to see him bulk up and maintain the speed he has but as others have said...I think it's more about learning (imo) and being stuck behind one hell of a mlb duo

[757RavensFan]

I read that during today's OTAs, Aiken caught a TD pass over Elam and Hill. 

 

Two thoughts:  

 

1, not surprised Elam was burned.

2. Why wasn't Kendrick Lewis in there with Hill?

[Edgar]

Got me thinking... Really didn't see any news on A Brown. Would love to see him bulk up and maintain the speed he has but as others have said...I think it's more about learning (imo) and being stuck behind one hell of a mlb duo

It stings a little to see a guy that talented in street clothes on Sunday. I still really like the guy but I think you're right. Unless there is an injury, or until he is able to show more on special teams than say,Zachary Orr, I don't see him dressing.

[turkeybacon]

why is boyle getting all these good reviews,,,but we hear nothing from Max,,, that dnt sohnd good rite now

[Ravensfan23]

We gotta remember Maxx is like 20 years old. Yes he's officially a pro but he's now competing and running with grown men who have jobs to win. It may just take Maxx a bit of time to develop. Now I'm not saying he is struggling or that he won't do well this year, it may just be a case where Maxx mat have to get a bit stronger or it might just be a case where reporters are more surprised at what a guy like Boyle is doing becauae he's looking just as good as Max but you kind of expect it from Maxx as a 2nd round guy, but if you looked at Boyle's as a small school blocking TE, but now you see some Dennis Pitta traits in him, that's worth reporting about.

[ludy51]

I read that during today's OTAs, Aiken caught a TD pass over Elam and Hill.

Two thoughts:

1, not surprised Elam was burned.

2. Why wasn't Kendrick Lewis in there with Hill?

Elam also had an INT and a nice deflection

[stampedehero]

I think Carter is definitely going to make the team. I like him a lot as a returner. 

I foresee his role in special teams ever since Camp had an injury

[VeiledPsychosis]

I read that during today's OTAs, Aiken caught a TD pass over Elam and Hill. 

 

Two thoughts:  

 

1, not surprised Elam was burned.

2. Why wasn't Kendrick Lewis in there with Hill?

I'm sure Pees is just shuffling around the safeties because its just OTAs, get everyone some time back there. And I'm sure we'll probably do the same during the season, Lewis, Hill, Elam and Levine should all get time and give each other a rest

Edited June 4, 2015 by VeiledPsychosis

[rmw10]

Got me thinking... Really didn't see any news on A Brown. Would love to see him bulk up and maintain the speed he has but as others have said...I think it's more about learning (imo) and being stuck behind one hell of a mlb duo

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-linebacker-arthur-brown-bulks-up-says-hes-put-on-grownman-weight-20150603-story.html

[CTFan]

Couple of thoughts:

 

Really impressed with the dedication and improvement we've seen from so many players during this off-season. There seems to have been an across-the-board effort.

 

Has anyone ever played a 3-TE set?

Edited June 4, 2015 by CTFan

[SeaHawk]

I honestly believe that this team will be playing with a huge chip on their shoulders this year. Losing to a hated enemy, after being up by 14 twice, will do that to a team that has highly motivated players and excellent coaches, as this team does.

[harfordravenfan]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-linebacker-arthur-brown-bulks-up-says-hes-put-on-grownman-weight-20150603-story.html

 

Thank you sir, good update

[Static]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-linebacker-arthur-brown-bulks-up-says-hes-put-on-grownman-weight-20150603-story.html

 

Thats 2 years in a row thats he's comeback heavier.  I hope he can come in and be able to give an aging Daryl Smith a well deserved breather.

Edited June 4, 2015 by Static

[Ravensfan23]

Couple of thoughts:

 

Really impressed with the dedication and improvement we've seen from so many players during this off-season. There seems to have been an across-the-board effort.

 

Has anyone ever played a 3-TE set?

There are a few teams that can pull it off and acutally run it but i don't think anyone uses it as a base set or even uses it enough to even have a large impact on the game. Most teams use it as jumbo packages and in run heavy short yardage situations.

However i think we will see this offense look a lot like the Pats a few year back when they had that killer duo of Gronk and AH, ok that wasn't funny. But my point is we have a ton of talent at the TE position and a guy like Juice, we'll be able to run some sets that really force teams to say in that base defense while we s attack their LBs ans Safeties. I could see that 2TE set really being a staple of the offense and if all 4TEs still healty and can contribute, it's gonna be fun watching this group work.

With 4 solid to very good TEs, a swiss army knife at HB, and WRs who can work every level of the field Flacco and Trestman will have a ball with this offense. Defenses will be losing sleep over game planning for this offense if everything comes together.

[757RavensFan]

Thats 2 years in a row thats he's comeback heavier.  I hope he can come in and be able to give an aging Daryl Smith a well deserved breather.

 

He needs to be able to play ST as well.  He's not going to dress if he can't contribute on ST.  I heard learning the def scheme and not being that great on STs is what prevented him from being activated most of the season.

[Adreme]

He needs to be able to play ST as well.  He's not going to dress if he can't contribute on ST.  I heard learning the def scheme and not being that great on STs is what prevented him from being activated most of the season.

 

I would like to think that at this point he knows the defensive scheme so basically it all comes down to special teams though I do wonder if he is potentially cut if he cant contribute on ST this year because the Ravens do have a lot of spots to fill there roster with this year and can they really carry someone they will never use.

[izvoodoo]

I would like to think that at this point he knows the defensive scheme so basically it all comes down to special teams though I do wonder if he is potentially cut if he cant contribute on ST this year because the Ravens do have a lot of spots to fill there roster with this year and can they really carry someone they will never use.

Brown is pretty abysmal on ST.  He almost gave up Two blocked punts himself.  That being said if Daryl Smith or CJ mosley couldn't suit up a game I'm fairly confident that Brown would oddly be above Orr or McClellan on defensive snaps.

 

But Smith and Mosley never come off the field, and Daryl isn't going to be playing STs at his age.  

[Edgar]

Brown is pretty abysmal on ST.  He almost gave up Two blocked punts himself.  That being said if Daryl Smith or CJ mosley couldn't suit up a game I'm fairly confident that Brown would oddly be above Orr or McClellan on defensive snaps.

 

But Smith and Mosley never come off the field, and Daryl isn't going to be playing STs at his age.

I agree. Dressing Orr over brown essentially means the team Is willing to risk being somewhat at a disadvantage for that day if there was an injury, rather than being at a disadvantage all game on special teams.

I think you see Brown starting the following week in such a case but agree with you that he will deactivated until he improves special teams play.

[ellicottraven]

If we go out to Denver and hand them a thorough beating, that would do incredible things for us as a team that is really young!

[Ravensfan23]

Brown came in as a very smart guy but much like Terrence Brooks he just over thought thinks too much as a rookie. Also he was undersized. There are certain things Brown would excell at like being a coverage ILB but as has been stated, CJ and Buck are just too good as a duo and they both cover fairly well. I like the idea of Brown getting better and if he can improve his ST play he'll still be a guy we hold onto with hopes that he and CJ form a long term duo.

[izvoodoo]

Brown came in as a very smart guy but much like Terrence Brooks he just over thought thinks too much as a rookie. Also he was undersized. There are certain things Brown would excell at like being a coverage ILB but as has been stated, CJ and Buck are just too good as a duo and they both cover fairly well. I like the idea of Brown getting better and if he can improve his ST play he'll still be a guy we hold onto with hopes that he and CJ form a long term duo.

That was my thing about Brown.  He is such a 4-3 OLB.  He'd be dynamite on a defense like Seattle or Dallas.  

[redlobster]

Brown is pretty abysmal on ST.  He almost gave up Two blocked punts himself.  That being said if Daryl Smith or CJ mosley couldn't suit up a game I'm fairly confident that Brown would oddly be above Orr or McClellan on defensive snaps.

 

But Smith and Mosley never come off the field, and Daryl isn't going to be playing STs at his age.  

The thing is , Orr was terrible at ST as well, Brown got in Harboughs doghouse and never got out.

[izvoodoo]

The thing is , Orr was terrible at ST as well, Brown got in Harboughs doghouse and never got out.

He couldn't have been as bad as Brown.  Brown almost gave up two blocked punts on bull rushes.  And one punt did get blocked.  

[GrimCoconut]

I'm hoping Arthur Brown has a good camp. We need him to be better on ST. That's a fact. If we can get rid of some dead weight that mainly contributes on ST that's really going to help a lot.

[Cville-Raven]

I'm hoping Arthur Brown has a good camp. We need him to be better on ST. That's a fact. If we can get rid of some dead weight that mainly contributes on ST that's really going to help a lot.

Yup, he's isn't ever going to see the field if he can't contribute on ST.