Ravens OTAs and minicamp discussion

[omar586]

Yes it is important but at this same time last year, Sr. Daniels, Aiken nor Camp had chemistry with Joe. Two years ago this time Marlon Brown didn't have chemistry with Joe. So how big of a factor is it really? Steve Smith said it was really easy to get on the same page as Joe and I've heard several other WRs say the same. I don't wanna make it seem as if I'm beating up Aiken cause I'm not, if he prove good enough to make this team again great, but i don't think he's in a position where you'll give him a spot over someone that out performs him just because of what he did last year.

Yeah, i just dont see a productive WR and a special team's ace being cut for a rookie. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Yes it is important but at this same time last year, Sr. Daniels, Aiken nor Camp had chemistry with Joe. Two years ago this time Marlon Brown didn't have chemistry with Joe. So how big of a factor is it really? Steve Smith said it was really easy to get on the same page as Joe and I've heard several other WRs say the same. I don't wanna make it seem as if I'm beating up Aiken cause I'm not, if he prove good enough to make this team again great, but i don't think he's in a position where you'll give him a spot over someone that out performs him just because of what he did last year.

Aiken wasn't targeted very much but when he was he came up big and in clutch situations. He could only catch what was thrown at him.

With Camp injured and us likely to take 6 receivers who do you see that would make it over Aiken??

Steve Smith, Perriman, and Brown for sure. Throw Waller and Carter in there too and that's 5. Aiken still makes it, and taking Carter over Aiken is a stretch to say the least - sure, word is he impressed at rookie camp, but now it's time to show up with the big boys.

Let's see how he does at TC and preseason. Aiken has already proven he can be effective in actual game situations.

He's going to make the team.

[Ravensfan23]

I haven't looked at the actual statistics- which I probably should do before chiming in but comparing Aiken and doss is kind of like apples to oranges- they may have had similar production , but doss was supposed to be a starter while Aiken was like 4th or 5th on the depth chart. Like I said I haven't looked at how many times each of them were thrown to- but just going off the eye test it seemed as if Aiken had very minimal oppurtunities yet capatilized on almost all of them- while doss was a constant let down. I'm not sayin in any way that worthy doesn't have a shot or anything like that- I would just be very suprised if a guy like Aiken is cut, even though like you said, anything is possible.

When did Aiken and Camp become such legends? The story of Aiken and Camp is like that legendary story that gets bigger and bigger every time someone tells it. They had 24 and 9 catches respectively. Have we had such bad luck at the WR position that we salivate over a total of 33 career catches by a combination of two guys? I mean I'm excited for their potential as well but what did they really do last year? Honestly? Im not saying you in general but if anyone thinks that any player not names Smith Sr or Perriman can be cut if outplayed in camp, i think they are sadly mistaken.

As for Doss, whe he was brought back to the team it was as an #3 or #4, not as a starter. In 2013 Doss played 295 offensive snaps and was targeted 36 times in 15 games, that's about 19 snaps and 2 targets per game, hardly starter numbers. In 2014 Aiken accounted for 273 offensive plays and was targeted 32 times in 16 games. That's 17 snaps and 2 targets per game. Doss numbers in 2013 19recs 305yds 0TDs, while Aiken in 2014 had 24rec 263yds and 3TDs i believe? Other then the TDs which Aiken was placed in favorable position to receive i might add, there isn't much difference between the two.

The offensive rolled last year and much like the defense everyone looks good when the entire unit shows out. I take nothing away from Aiken because i like him, but he still has so much to prove.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

There is not enough history on guys like Aiken and Camp to sugguest they will just be better the next season. I as much as anyone else am excite about the potential talent of guys like Brown, Aiken and Camp, but lets be real here. None of those guys did anything particularly special that makes you say "ok we know exactly what to expect from that guy going forward". As much as i think Marlon Brown will have a large impact this year, he can suffer the same fate as Tandon Doss who just couldn't put it together and got cut.

Speaking of Doss he basically had the same type of production in 2013 as Aiken last year and far more success as a WR and returner then Camp and he was cut. So for people thinking that a guy like Aiken is safe, he's not. Now i'm not saying Worthy will push Aiken off the roster, what I'm saying is there is room for 3-6 and maybe even 7 because nobody has those spots locked

Using Doss as a reason Aiken won't make the team is flawed.

Doss had way more opportunities before he was cut. Going into that 2013 season you mention he had already played 20 games in his career and hadn't done a thing.

In 2013 he made some big plays but had drops and wasn't a reliable target. He couldn't get open.

Top it off, in 36 games Doss has 2 more catches total than Aiken had last year alone.

And even though they entered the league the same year, last year was Aikens first true opportunity to play. So if we judge their career arcs in terms of experience equating to games played Aiken has done WAY more than Doss did over his first 16 games.

Doss had like 7 catches for 120 yds and 0 TDs in his first 20 games (2 seasons). Aiken had 24 catches for like 270 yds and 3 TDs over his first 16.

Aiken is a much better player. He is a good route runner and can catch, 2 things Doss never did. Plus Aiken doesn't have the off the field troubles that Doss had - which I think had a lot to do with his being let go.

Anyways, my point is it's a terrible example and lends absolutely zero credence to the idea that Aiken won't make the team.

We'll take 6 receivers most likely. Now name me 6 you think will make the team over Aiken. Go ahead, I'll wait.

[VeiledPsychosis]

There is not enough history on guys like Aiken and Camp to sugguest they will just be better the next season. I as much as anyone else am excite about the potential talent of guys like Brown, Aiken and Camp, but lets be real here. None of those guys did anything particularly special that makes you say "ok we know exactly what to expect from that guy going forward". As much as i think Marlon Brown will have a large impact this year, he can suffer the same fate as Tandon Doss who just couldn't put it together and got cut.

Speaking of Doss he basically had the same type of production in 2013 as Aiken last year and far more success as a WR and returner then Camp and he was cut. So for people thinking that a guy like Aiken is safe, he's not. Now i'm not saying Worthy will push Aiken off the roster, what I'm saying is there is room for 3-6 and maybe even 7 because nobody has those spots locked

Don't know why you keep bringing up Camp, I don't think Camp will make the roster either, but if he does indeed get cut/IRed/PSed then I'll bet the FO will look to keep a slot guy in his place, i.e. Carter. "Let's be real" Aiken and Brown aren't going anywhere, both are proven targets, the FO won't throw them under the bus for an extra UDFA. Nobodies acting like Aiken is a legend, you're acting like he's a bum and is seriously in danger of being cut....he's not, don't know what you have against him but he's got everything you want out of a receiver and actually produces when on the field.

 

Sure Brown had roughly the same stats as Doss last year, but how about before that? Brown's first year was far better than anything Doss ever did, not to mention Doss started two games his last year and Brown "started" only one last year. Doss is such a terrible comparison to both of them. Not enough history on Aiken to show he'll improve? are you serious? his career arc so far shows exponential growth going from a practice squader to competing for playing time

Edited June 1, 2015 by VeiledPsychosis

[Ravensfan23]

Yeah, i just dont see a productive WR and a special team's ace being cut for a rookie.

Again I'm not pitting Aiken vs Worthy for a roster spot. It's about the 11th WR on the roster having just as much opportunity as the #4 WR because none of these guys arw made men other then Mitty, Perriman and maybe Brown but even he'll have to show and prove in Camp. We are so quick to give guys title and guaranteed spots on the team. We have seemingly a new ST ace ever year and now Aiken is one after only one year? Can you honestly tell me right now you would have picked Zach Orr to make the team over Josh Bynes who was a top backup and a key contributor on ST?

The funny thing is a guy like Aiken gets cut every year in favor of some talented the rookie the coaches don't wanna lose and we fans make the same comments the very next year...oh i can't see that guy getting cut for a vet because he's a ST guy and Harbs loves ST. Again I'm not saying Aiken is a goner, all I'm saying is that i believe Cam Worthy will really impress in camp and make the final decision on a roster spot a tough one.

[Ravensfan23]

Aiken wasn't targeted very much but when he was he came up big and in clutch situations. He could only catch what was thrown at him.

With Camp injured and us likely to take 6 receivers who do you see that would make it over Aiken??

Steve Smith, Perriman, and Brown for sure. Throw Waller and Carter in there too and that's 5. Aiken still makes it, and taking Carter over Aiken is a stretch to say the least - sure, word is he impressed at rookie camp, but now it's time to show up with the big boys.

Let's see how he does at TC and preseason. Aiken has already proven he can be effective in actual game situations.

He's going to make the team.

Oh no doubt Aiken did exactly what he was supposed to do, take full advantage of his opportunities. I honestly can't remember him coming up clutch or even making a play on a big spot but maybe my definition of those moments differ from most.

As for who i see making the team. Right now i have Aiken making the team but i gotta see more from him before crowning him like many seem to wanna do. I think Cam Worthy if healthy will have a Marlon Brown type impact at camp where he forces coaches to give him first and second team reps. He's listed as the same body type as Aiken but i think he brings more of a downfield presence to the offense then Aiken and that's something that Kubes didn't really emphasis last year but Marc certainly will. Worthy was a strong ST player at ECU so that shouldn't be a tough transition for him. Again right now neither he nor Carter is on the team for me as IDFA because i haven't seen them play in a Ravens uniform. But i could definitely see a scenario where Worthy amd Carter push Aiken and Camp off the roster.

[Ravensfan23]

Using Doss as a reason Aiken won't make the team is flawed.

Doss had way more opportunities before he was cut. Going into that 2013 season you mention he had already played 20 games in his career and hadn't done a thing.

In 2013 he made some big plays but had drops and wasn't a reliable target. He couldn't get open.

Top it off, in 36 games Doss has 2 more catches total than Aiken had last year alone.

And even though they entered the league the same year, last year was Aikens first true opportunity to play. So if we judge their career arcs in terms of experience equating to games played Aiken has done WAY more than Doss did over his first 16 games.

Doss had like 7 catches for 120 yds and 0 TDs in his first 20 games (2 seasons). Aiken had 24 catches for like 270 yds and 3 TDs over his first 16.

Aiken is a much better player. He is a good route runner and can catch, 2 things Doss never did. Plus Aiken doesn't have the off the field troubles that Doss had - which I think had a lot to do with his being let go.

Anyways, my point is it's a terrible example and lends absolutely zero credence to the idea that Aiken won't make the team.

We'll take 6 receivers most likely. Now name me 6 you think will make the team over Aiken. Go ahead, I'll wait.

You don't have to tell me how using Doss is flawed, he was only used as an example of how a slightly productive WR with Special Teams value was cut. You can wait for the 6 WRs until the end of camp because that's when I'll know just like everyone else. Also i never said Aiken wouldn't make the team i simply said he'll still have to compete and show the coaches a lot in TC despite being in the Flock's HOF it seems. If you wanna reply to my actual point of IF AIKEN IS OUTPLAYED, he could be cut then fine, but there's no point in going back and forth over a point i never made.

[Ravensfan23]

Don't know why you keep bringing up Camp, I don't think Camp will make the roster either, but if he does indeed get cut/IRed/PSed then I'll bet the FO will look to keep a slot guy in his place, i.e. Carter. "Let's be real" Aiken and Brown aren't going anywhere, both are proven targets, the FO won't throw them under the bus for an extra UDFA. Nobodies acting like Aiken is a legend, you're acting like he's a bum and is seriously in danger of being cut....he's not, don't know what you have against him but he's got everything you want out of a receiver and actually produces when on the field.

 

Sure Brown had roughly the same stats as Doss last year, but how about before that? Brown's first year was far better than anything Doss ever did, not to mention Doss started two games his last year and Brown "started" only one last year. Doss is such a terrible comparison to both of them. Not enough history on Aiken to show he'll improve? are you serious? his career arc so far shows exponential growth going from a practice squader to competing for playing time

 

your trying way too hard with the Doss and Brown part. I've said plenty of times that I not only have Brown as a lock but I have him catching 65-70 balls this year. Please show me one post or even comment for that matter where I said Aiken was a bum and in serious danger of getting cut? The simply fact that you translate me saying he'll have to compete and "it's possible" that if he's outplayed he could be cut, is why i make the Aiken being a legend comment. The fact that you are so willing to call a guy who has 24 career catches a "proven target" is why i make a mock of the Aiken being a legend around here. 

 

Ok so this is getting ridiculous, so I'll keep it simple. Are you telling me that if Kamar Aiken has a rough camp and others play very well that based on his 24 catches 200+ yds and 3TD from last season he's safe from getting cut?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

You don't have to tell me how using Doss is flawed, he was only used as an example of how a slightly productive WR with Special Teams value was cut. You can wait for the 6 WRs until the end of camp because that's when I'll know just like everyone else. Also i never said Aiken wouldn't make the team i simply said he'll still have to compete and show the coaches a lot in TC despite being in the Flock's HOF it seems. If you wanna reply to my actual point of IF AIKEN IS OUTPLAYED, he could be cut then fine, but there's no point in going back and forth over a point i never made.

What's the point of saying that if Aiken is outplayed by 6 other receivers he won't make the team??

That's true for anyone. If player X is outplayed by players A B C D E F and G then player X could potentially be cut.

I'm refuting your posts because of your comments in regards to someone saying that in their opinion Aiken is a virtual lock to be one of the 6 receivers on the roster meaning that he's being viewed as a HOF'er....

So let me get this straight - having the opinion that Aiken is no worse than 6 other receivers on a preseason roster of mainly unproven, late round and undrafted receivers in their first 3 years in the NFL equates to HOF expectations??

That's seemingly your interpretation, yet thinking Aiken is all but a lock is ridiculous?

To your point, sure if 6 other players far outperform Aiken consistently throughout the preseason then yea he could be cut.

To my point - that won't happen. Especially when on the 90 man roster you've got a total of 4 receivers that have caught a pass from Flacco in an NFL game, one of them is injured and another one is 36.

When a guy with 24 catches for the Ravens is your 3rd most productive receiver in a Ravens uniform, there's probably only 7 maybe 8 players who have a legitimate shot at 6 roster spots (1 of which again is injured), and you're transitioning to a new offensive coordinator the only way you don't take your top 3 (Smith, Brown and Aiken) is if every single other player far outperforms Aiken.

We're not talking about just 1 guy having to outplay him for him to get cut - Perriman, Brown, Camp, Waller, and Carter/other UDFA all have to outperform him and in the cases of Carter or any UDFA for that matter would have to literally blow him away both as a receiver and ST player (Aiken was a good ST player for us last year too) to take them over Aiken because that's the only way you feel comfortable taking away proven production and reliability on perceived potential.

So I'll say it again. Aiken will make this team; not because it's impossible for him to get cut but because the scenario in which he does won't happen.

Harbs has shown a history of any time two players are close he takes proven production and experience over unproven potential. He's shown a willingness to stash young potential talents on the PS to give them a year to develop.

So there's much more to c the opinion that Aiken has a very very high percentage chance of making it and doing the homework to realize that he is all but sure to be somewhere between the 3rd and 6th option in this team b. :c I

[January J]

Oh no doubt Aiken did exactly what he was supposed to do, take full advantage of his opportunities. I honestly can't remember him coming up clutch or even making a play on a big spot but maybe my definition of those moments differ from most.

As for who i see making the team. Right now i have Aiken making the team but i gotta see more from him before crowning him like many seem to wanna do. I think Cam Worthy if healthy will have a Marlon Brown type impact at camp where he forces coaches to give him first and second team reps. He's listed as the same body type as Aiken but i think he brings more of a downfield presence to the offense then Aiken and that's something that Kubes didn't really emphasis last year but Marc certainly will. Worthy was a strong ST player at ECU so that shouldn't be a tough transition for him. Again right now neither he nor Carter is on the team for me as IDFA because i haven't seen them play in a Ravens uniform. But i could definitely see a scenario where Worthy amd Carter push Aiken and Camp off the roster.

right off the top of my head I can think of 2 - the td in the playoff game in New England where he fought for the endzone. Any td in a playoff game is pretty clutch. Esp in the divisional vs. New England. But even better than that, the game vs San Diego in the final seconds where he made that diving catch right on the sideline. Had we had one more timeout we would have probably win that game with tucker- and that game was crucial to our playoff run. It's a what if i know- but he has proven he can home through in clutch situations.

[757RavensFan]

right off the top of my head I can think of 2 - the td in the playoff game in New England where he fought for the endzone. Any td in a playoff game is pretty clutch. Esp in the divisional vs. New England. But even better than that, the game vs San Diego in the final seconds where he made that diving catch right on the sideline. Had we had one more timeout we would have probably win that game with tucker- and that game was crucial to our playoff run. It's a what if i know- but he has proven he can home through in clutch situations.

 

Yep, we took an unneccessary TO in the 2nd half of the SD game.  That was the deciding factor in that game. After the diving catch by Aiken(great pass by Flacco), that would have left Tucker with a 60 yd FG attempt.  My money would have been on Tucker for the win!! 

[The Mom Gene]

right off the top of my head I can think of 2 - the td in the playoff game in New England where he fought for the endzone. Any td in a playoff game is pretty clutch. Esp in the divisional vs. New England. But even better than that, the game vs San Diego in the final seconds where he made that diving catch right on the sideline. Had we had one more timeout we would have probably win that game with tucker- and that game was crucial to our playoff run. It's a what if i know- but he has proven he can home through in clutch situations.

You mean the play where Torrey actually DIDN'T fight for the endzone, ... and allowed the INT.???

[Ravensfan23]

What's the point of saying that if Aiken is outplayed by 6 other receivers he won't make the team??

That's true for anyone. If player X is outplayed by players A B C D E F and G then player X could potentially be cut.

I'm refuting your posts because of your comments in regards to someone saying that in their opinion Aiken is a virtual lock to be one of the 6 receivers on the roster meaning that he's being viewed as a HOF'er....

So let me get this straight - having the opinion that Aiken is no worse than 6 other receivers on a preseason roster of mainly unproven, late round and undrafted receivers in their first 3 years in the NFL equates to HOF expectations??

That's seemingly your interpretation, yet thinking Aiken is all but a lock is ridiculous?

To your point, sure if 6 other players far outperform Aiken consistently throughout the preseason then yea he could be cut.

To my point - that won't happen. Especially when on the 90 man roster you've got a total of 4 receivers that have caught a pass from Flacco in an NFL game, one of them is injured and another one is 36.

When a guy with 24 catches for the Ravens is your 3rd most productive receiver in a Ravens uniform, there's probably only 7 maybe 8 players who have a legitimate shot at 6 roster spots (1 of which again is injured), and you're transitioning to a new offensive coordinator the only way you don't take your top 3 (Smith, Brown and Aiken) is if every single other player far outperforms Aiken.

We're not talking about just 1 guy having to outplay him for him to get cut - Perriman, Brown, Camp, Waller, and Carter/other UDFA all have to outperform him and in the cases of Carter or any UDFA for that matter would have to literally blow him away both as a receiver and ST player (Aiken was a good ST player for us last year too) to take them over Aiken because that's the only way you feel comfortable taking away proven production and reliability on perceived potential.

So I'll say it again. Aiken will make this team; not because it's impossible for him to get cut but because the scenario in which he does won't happen.

Harbs has shown a history of any time two players are close he takes proven production and experience over unproven potential. He's shown a willingness to stash young potential talents on the PS to give them a year to develop.

So there's much more to c the opinion that Aiken has a very very high percentage chance of making it and doing the homework to realize that he is all but sure to be somewhere between the 3rd and 6th option in this team b. :c I

You aren't saying anyhting that i didn't. If there is no point in saying if Aiken is outplayed he could be pushed off the team then why even argue the point? You and others have taken a simple statement of, if Worthy plays well i think he'll be that UDFA to make the team and i could see Aiken being pushed off the roster, if he doesn't perform well into something much difference from my point. You guys think Aiken is a lock because of his 24 catches, i think it was a solid start but he'll have to come to camp as a better player this year, because he and others will be pushed by some talented young players. For the record i think Aiken will continue to be tough and consistent this camp.

You say he could possibly fall to #6, how is that any different then me saying he could be outplayed in camp? You asked me to name 6 other WRs better then Aiken, well who's the 5 others that can push him down to #6? I've actually made the comment that i could see only keeping 5 WRs if Pitta is ready to go. If you have Pitta, Maxx and Juice all as options in Trestman's offense, judging by his history your #4 and #5 WR won't see much action anyway. So if Aiken did slip down to your #6WR in camp, which would suggest that he didn't have a good camp imo and a guy like Worthy plays extremely well, bringing things to the WR position that Aiken can't, you don't think that final WR spot would be

be invested into the future?

Again even though it's a different situation, a top backup in Josh Bynes was placed on PS in a surprising move to keep Zach Orr. This time last year if someone were to say that Orr would outplay Bynes and push him off the roster, I'm sure that would have sounded crazy to 95% of the fanbase. Fact is we don't know what or how the coaches think.

[Ravensfan23]

right off the top of my head I can think of 2 - the td in the playoff game in New England where he fought for the endzone. Any td in a playoff game is pretty clutch. Esp in the divisional vs. New England. But even better than that, the game vs San Diego in the final seconds where he made that diving catch right on the sideline. Had we had one more timeout we would have probably win that game with tucker- and that game was crucial to our playoff run. It's a what if i know- but he has proven he can home through in clutch situations.

Yea we view being clutch in a different light. Those were really good plays by Aiken no doubt. Maybe it's the consistency factor. Life is made full of people who can do a good thing once or have one solid performance but then don't back it up. This is not to say Aiken can't or won't, it just seems that what he did was solid last year but it get magnified among the fan base.

The playoff TD whie good, wasn't a big play nor clutch imo. It was a play that honestly i'd trust any WR we have right now to make because it was more of an result of the play making it's self all you have to do is catch the ball. Again don't take it away from Kamar because he could have been takled at the 4 yardline. But i just viewed it as a nice play nothing more. It wasn't a play were you look and say, man if that wasn't Aiken I'm not sure that play gets made. Just to let you know, clutch in my view is coming up big in the biggest moments of a game. That wasn't really a big moment imo. It was 1st and 10 and the Pats didn't have an answer for the script Kubes had. Clutch for me would have been Daniels making that endzone catch for a TD and putting us up by 7 instead of 3. That's a clutch moment to me, but Aiken deserves credit for doing what he was asked. I just don't think that gives him the label of proven. He had a decent year now it's time for him to stack a strong camp ontop of that.

[757RavensFan]

Yea we view being clutch in a different light. Those were really good plays by Aiken no doubt. Maybe it's the consistency factor. Life is made full of people who can do a good thing once or have one solid performance but then don't back it up. This is not to say Aiken can't or won't, it just seems that what he did was solid last year but it get magnified among the fan base.

The playoff TD whie good, wasn't a big play nor clutch imo. It was a play that honestly i'd trust any WR we have right now to make because it was more of an result of the play making it's self all you have to do is catch the ball. Again don't take it away from Kamar because he could have been takled at the 4 yardline. But i just viewed it as a nice play nothing more. It wasn't a play were you look and say, man if that wasn't Aiken I'm not sure that play gets made. Just to let you know, clutch in my view is coming up big in the biggest moments of a game. That wasn't really a big moment imo. It was 1st and 10 and the Pats didn't have an answer for the script Kubes had. Clutch for me would have been Daniels making that endzone catch for a TD and putting us up by 7 instead of 3. That's a clutch moment to me, but Aiken deserves credit for doing what he was asked. I just don't think that gives him the label of proven. He had a decent year now it's time for him to stack a strong camp ontop of that.

 

How about this definition for clutch in regards to Aiken, he's only credited with ONE dropped pass all last season. 

[DomMcRaven]

How about this definition for clutch in regards to Aiken, he's only credited with ONE dropped pass all last season. 

And was that dropped pass in the SD game where he was WIDE open or was it when he almost caught the TD when we went for the TD on 4th down against Cincy?

[757RavensFan]

And was that dropped pass in the SD game where he was WIDE open or was it when he almost caught the TD when we went for the TD on 4th down against Cincy?

 

Bengals.

[Ravensfan23]

How about this definition for clutch in regards to Aiken, he's only credited with ONE dropped pass all last season.

Yea definitely, i remember that drop we really needed that TD. If nothing else he's consistent and that's great now just gotta carry it over to this season. Also i think that stat maybe a bit off. I remember him failing to come up with a square in pass, but that was kind of low so maybe they blamed Joe. But overall Kamar Aiken did exactly what was asked of him last year and that's all you can ask for. But sometimes in the NFL that's just not enough based upon what the coaches want. For example Marlon Brown was very effective with redzone targets in 2013, however for whatever reason Kubes only targeted him 1 time inside the 20 all season. This time last season i would have thought if nothing more Marlon Brown would be a redzone guy, but apparently Kubes didn't view him that way. So how exactly does Trestman view Aiken and all the other guys for that matter? We'll see

[January J]

Yea we view being clutch in a different light. Those were really good plays by Aiken no doubt. Maybe it's the consistency factor. Life is made full of people who can do a good thing once or have one solid performance but then don't back it up. This is not to say Aiken can't or won't, it just seems that what he did was solid last year but it get magnified among the fan base.

The playoff TD whie good, wasn't a big play nor clutch imo. It was a play that honestly i'd trust any WR we have right now to make because it was more of an result of the play making it's self all you have to do is catch the ball. Again don't take it away from Kamar because he could have been takled at the 4 yardline. But i just viewed it as a nice play nothing more. It wasn't a play were you look and say, man if that wasn't Aiken I'm not sure that play gets made. Just to let you know, clutch in my view is coming up big in the biggest moments of a game. That wasn't really a big moment imo. It was 1st and 10 and the Pats didn't have an answer for the script Kubes had. Clutch for me would have been Daniels making that endzone catch for a TD and putting us up by 7 instead of 3. That's a clutch moment to me, but Aiken deserves credit for doing what he was asked. I just don't think that gives him the label of proven. He had a decent year now it's time for him to stack a strong camp ontop of that.

actually i think if it wasnt aiken that caught that ball that theres a good chance we wouldnt have scored on that play. Lets say torrey caught it i could easily have seen him just stepping out of bounds.as we saw later in the game , torrey didnt exactly fight for the ball. Had that been aiken we maybe superbowl champions right now. But on the play in question Kamar had to get by 2 or 3 defenders while straddling the sideline. Pretty clutch play in my book in a big game like that. It may not fall into the "crucial" category, but pretty clutch. Those are 2 categories that i separate. I agree with you on the third down owen Daniels drop. That actually would have been pretty crucial. Pitta catches that ball all day long. Anyway i know all of this is irrelevant to your argument, i was just sayin.

[Ravensfan23]

actually i think if it wasnt aiken that caught that ball that theres a good chance we wouldnt have scored on that play. Lets say torrey caught it i could easily have seen him just stepping out of bounds.as we saw later in the game , torrey didnt exactly fight for the ball. Had that been aiken we maybe superbowl champions right now. But on the play in question Kamar had to get by 2 or 3 defenders while straddling the sideline. Pretty clutch play in my book in a big game like that. It may not fall into the "crucial" category, but pretty clutch. Those are 2 categories that i separate. I agree with you on the third down owen Daniels drop. That actually would have been pretty crucial. Pitta catches that ball all day long. Anyway i know all of this is irrelevant to your argument, i was just sayin.

 

This sums up much of my point on Aiken's production getting better and better every time someone talks about it. haha Now I must admit i've been poking some fun in this thread with how much love Kamar gets. I really like the guy to and would love nothing more then him to improve upon last season. 

 

I think you may want to go back and view the play again. Aiken ran a simple misdirection route. It was a play action that sucked the defense in. Joe put the ball in front of Kamar and allow him to catch it in stride. Kamar did his job by catching the ball and didn't get touched by a defender until the 5 yardline. There weren't even 3 Pats defenders on that side of the field It was just Aiken, his defender, Revis and Smith Sr. Almost as soon as Aiken caught the ball Smith started blocking Revis(who didn't make any attempt to get in on the play) and all Aiken had to do was beat his man to the endzone. Again he did a good job of breaking the initial tackle but he didn't have to fight through 2-3 guys it was just one and he was never even close enough to the slideline to consider running out of bounds, which you suggest Torrey would have done. 

 

Don't wanna seem like i'm beating up on Aiken here, but it was a simple play to be made and Kamar made it but nothing special, at least in my opinion. Had I not actually watched that play, based on your description of it, I would have probably said it was a great play, but in reality just a simple play.

[DomMcRaven]

Bengals.

Figured so. Thanks.

[codizzle]

Really excited to see taliaferro this preseason

Also really would like a nickname for him so I don't have to type out that last name

[ludy51]

Really excited to see taliaferro this preseason

Also really would like a nickname for him so I don't have to type out that last name

L.T

[codizzle]

L.T

See LT only means one person to me

[Moderator 3]

Cuss, cuss, cuss.

@RavensInsider: Ravens wide receiver Aldrick Robinson suffers knee injury at organized team activity, tests to follow, sources say: http://t.co/kTENmV8PPk

[TXRavensFan]

Really excited to see taliaferro this preseason

Also really would like a nickname for him so I don't have to type out that last name

I've seen "Tally", "Tali", and "Zo"

[Crabcakes&Football]

I could be wrong about perriman but I'm just saying he has massive bust potential because he has so many flaws to his game outside of his natural attributes. I wasn't just right on elam.. i have actually been pretty accurate on most draft picks. From Mosley to jernigan to urshel to pitta to Yanda etc. I wash;t ever a fan of ed dickson and i wanted to chock ozzie for not taking gronk instead of sergio kindle ( who i hated as a player and person) .Oh and with or without the staircase incident much like with cody i had kindle as a bust and it would have been that way without doubt

bud dupree is another sergio kindle..we dodged a bullet on that one.

The good thing about perriman is that he will make a big play here or there..but he will NEVER be a number 1 receiver.

I hearby endorse your application for GM of the Ravens. I want YOU building my team.

[redlobster]

Cuss, cuss, cuss.

@RavensInsider: Ravens wide receiver Aldrick Robinson suffers knee injury at organized team activity, tests to follow, sources say: http://t.co/kTENmV8PPk

 

Figured he was a camp body anyways..

Edited June 2, 2015 by redlobster

[codizzle]

I've seen "Tally", "Tali", and "Zo"

Zo ... That's the one I was forgetting.. That's acceptable