Ravens OTAs and minicamp discussion

[757RavensFan]

Guess Suggs' weight will be the LFW topic for today.

[Sami84]

I don't really like Breshad blaming all of his drops on concentration. The more he says it, the more I think it's just an excuse.

 

I agree. Even in the press conference when we picked him he seemed over confident in an elam like sense..''I can run all the routes..''my hands are a strength';

 

it actually sounds defensive..

 

he should just say..I have weaknesses…those drops were drops..no excuses..it's not about concentration..concentration is a prerequisite to anything in order to be successful..so basically if you keep saying that it means are you aren't dedicated enough period.

[ludy51]

it actually sounds defensive..

Gee I wonder why he would ever have to sound defensive. Not like people are attacking him over a few drops.

[-Truth-]

Concentration drops are labeled as such because the receiver focuses on the aftermath of the reception, on what their plan of attack will be after the reception is made. It has no direct coorelation to a player's overall dedication to the sport. The term didn't suddenly arise after Perriman was drafted. Let's not grasp at straws here.

[BmoreBird22]

Concentration drops are labeled as such because the receiver focuses on the aftermath of the reception, on what their plan of attack will be after the reception is made. It has no direct coorelation to a player's overall dedication to the sport. The term didn't suddenly arise after Perriman was drafted. Let's not grasp at straws here.

I don't think people realize how difficult it is to try to play at a very high pace and catch the football. Having played football, I can tell you that if you are not watching that ball in there and focusing on making the catch, you won't make the catch 9 out of 10 times. It is very hard to catch a football if your eyes are elsewhere and your mind is wandering around.

[Ravensfan23]

Yeah Suggs also has dealt with some issues between him and wife. I think she request for a divorce so  maybe his mind set just been to chill lately and clear his mind or something.

 

Oh ok. Didn't know anything about that but yes that would be a reason to get yourself together mentality. I think often times as fans we forget that although playing football is their jobs, these men have lives to live as well. I think often times we as fans think about football more then the players do. We sit around on message board and other sites looking for info, needing something to talk about, projecting who will have a good season and so on, but players like to get away and recharge. 

 

On top of what you mentioned, he also has other business venture to prepare for. There is life outside the NFL and when you see guys like Ngata get traded because of his contract, i'm sure Suggs took notice. I just watched his full presser and he's definitely a guy who's thinking about the end of his career and as they say you start to think about retirement you already have one foot in it. Suggs is at a different point in his career and guys handle this part of their career differently. 

 

You probably could call guys like D. Mase and Ed right now and they'd probably be in tip top shape and ready to go. Why? Because those guys were workout warriors when they played and working out is a lifestyle for them. But for a guy like Suggs, he works out because he has to. It's not a lifestyle for him, it's a job requirement and there is nothing wrong with that. It sounds like he has a strategy in terms of keeping himself fresh longer in the season. It sounds good to me because over the last couple of years in the playoffs, he played like he didn't have a lot in the tank, so maybe he's on to something. 

[Ravensfan23]

Suggs was in this same position two or three years ago and dropped the weight quick...not worried even if he is older.

 

Breshad on the other hand is a concern. I'm going to take the early drops as nervousness around the vets but hope he can shake that concern before game day.

 

It's the NFL and it's played with real people. It's not Madden Football. Nobody will ever have 100% catch ratio. It just won't happen, humans make mistakes. I for one pray for the sake of most of the fans on this board that Perriman doesn't drop as many passes as Steve Smith did last year. Most of you guys will lose your minds. Drops happen. 

 

The only reason why it's a story is because Perriman has a rep of concentration drops. Ok I get it, but every time the kid drops a ball isn't the end of the world, but the media will report it as such because that's all they know about him. He could have had the best day of all the other WRs in the 11 on 11 portion, but if he drops a pass or two that's the be apart of the story. 

 

Nobody is looking at Steve Smith and saying, hey Steve how will you improve upon all the key drops you had last season that stalled drives and scoring opportunities, because that's not a note worthy story. From what i heard about practice, Perriman had a couple drops early in practice during passing drills against Jimmy Smith, but he was lights out in the 11 on 11 team portion of practice. Where's the problem here?

[-Truth-]

I don't think people realize how difficult it is to try to play at a very high pace and catch the football. Having played football, I can tell you that if you are not watching that ball in there and focusing on making the catch, you won't make the catch 9 out of 10 times. It is very hard to catch a football if your eyes are elsewhere and your mind is wandering around.

Right there with you. I played receiver myself and I can attest to that.

[BmoreBird22]

Right there with you. I played receiver myself and I can attest to that.

I played defensive back, but it's the same throughout where you play: it truly is a concentration issue and it's not an excuse at all.

[Ravensfan23]

I don't think people realize how difficult it is to try to play at a very high pace and catch the football. Having played football, I can tell you that if you are not watching that ball in there and focusing on making the catch, you won't make the catch 9 out of 10 times. It is very hard to catch a football if your eyes are elsewhere and your mind is wandering around.

 

I agree, but that's what separates us amateurs, from the Pros. As a pro you are supposed to block out all those other distractions, like 70,000 people booing you, or an opponent talking trash about your wife and kids. As a pro you are supposed to be able to read a defense and get your eyes around quickly to locate the ball in flight. I'm not a person that's at all concerned with Perriman's hands, but i'm sorry if the things you mentioned are the issues he's having, then he's in for a long and hard ride in the NFL.

 

Now i will say about the mind wandering part, I think that played a role from what i'm hearing. Wasn't there so I don't know. Not so much his mind wandering on other things, but more so, running his routes vs Jimmy Smith forces his mind to have to process info much faster then running his route against Melvin or even Arrington for that matter because Jimmy is a freaking stud. Perriman is still learning certain points of being a Pro WR, he's learning the plays and splits, he's learning terminology and on top of that he has to compete at a high level Vs one of the best CBs in the NFL. That's a lot to process and competing against Jimmy will only make him better once the season starts. A couple drops here and there isn't the end of the world for this guy. 

[BmoreBird22]

Now i will say about the mind wandering part, I think that played a role from what i'm hearing. Wasn't there so I don't know. Not so much his mind wandering on other things, but more so, running his routes vs Jimmy Smith forces his mind to have to process info much faster then running his route against Melvin more even Arrington for that matter because Jimmy is a freaking stud. Perriman is still learning certain points of being a Pro WR, he's learning the plays and splits, he's learning terminology and on top of that he has to compete at a high level Vs one of the best CBs in the NFL. That's a lot to process and competing against Jimmy will only make him better once the season starts. A couple drops here and there isn't the end of the world for this guy. 

And this is the point I'm trying to make. He played at UCF and I'm honestly not sure which conference that is, but I know it wasn't the SEC or a powerhouse of defensive teams. When he's in the NFL, it's a major step up in terms of competition and speed. He's gong to be thinking about things other than catching the football and it's his first practice with the big boys. Did anyone really expect him to be perfect?

[Ravensfan23]

And this is the point I'm trying to make. He played at UCF and I'm honestly not sure which conference that is, but I know it wasn't the SEC or a powerhouse of defensive teams. When he's in the NFL, it's a major step up in terms of competition and speed. He's gong to be thinking about things other than catching the football and it's his first practice with the big boys. Did anyone really expect him to be perfect?

 

Yea definitely, the things he was able to get away with at UCF he won't be able to in practice here. If people expected him to be prefect then they should prepare to be sick all season. Again the thing i like about the reports is that he responded to his struggles by having a strong 11 on 11 portion of practice. Everybody responds to tough moments and mistake. You either respond by going into the tank and letting it negatively affect your performance moving forward  or you learn from it, quickly move on and perform up to your level of expectations. I like how Perriman responded. 

[redrum52]

Or he just wanted Ray Rice back on the team and he ate him.

I blame the new Colonel. Suggs had a KFC relapse...

[January J]

I blame the new Colonel. Suggs had a KFC relapse...

Edited June 17, 2015 by January J

[757RavensFan]

What's up with Webb?  Coming from training camp report from RSR,

 

 

But that said, it’s hard not to be at least mildly concerned about Lardarius Webb. Webb looks tentative and is slow to close on the ball. Marlon Brown found it relatively easy to gain separation from Webb on curls, comebacks and outs. Perhaps Webb is being intentionally cautious but at some point players have to practice like they’ll play.

[757RavensFan]

Oh Matt!!

 

 

 Lewis intercepted a Matt Schaub pass. Cassius Vaughn also picked off an ill-advised Schaub pass later during the session

[DomMcRaven]

And this is the point I'm trying to make. He played at UCF and I'm honestly not sure which conference that is, but I know it wasn't the SEC or a powerhouse of defensive teams. When he's in the NFL, it's a major step up in terms of competition and speed. He's gong to be thinking about things other than catching the football and it's his first practice with the big boys. Did anyone really expect him to be perfect?

UCF is part of the American Athletic Conference with South Florida, Cincinnati, Louisville, Temple, Memphis, and a few others, but I get your point. 

[Sami84]

What's up with Webb?  Coming from training camp report from RSR,

 

Its webb…he isn't that good..he's average..

[BmoreBird22]

UCF is part of the American Athletic Conference with South Florida, Cincinnati, Louisville, Temple, Memphis, and a few others, but I get your point. 

I couldn't remember if it was that or if they had switched over to the ACC

[ludy51]

Sami still coming with the comedy

[Runnin Raven]

Will be interested in hearing how all the receivers are doing, not just our #1 pick.  Aiken, Waller, and DeAndre Carter in particular.

[Ravensfan23]

I know it's day two of practice and the first practice was all about Perriman's drops. But here's one of the better reports i've seen from Day 1. Not because it's all positive but mainly because it's different from the mass reports, that seem to say the same exact things. 

 

Gotta love hearing about the energy that Smitty is bring. Only makes the team better imo. Love hearing about the WRs bringing it. From what i've heard, both Marlon Brown and Jeremy Bulter have been bringing all offseason, but Kamar Aiken seems to be the only guy who reporters will write about when he does well. 

 

I like hearing about the defense focusing more on getting turnovers. That has been a sore spot for them the last 2-3 years. Didn't like hearing Max Williams was the victim of the defenses turnover party but that's a part of the learning curve for him. Also I absolutely love hearing the coaches are active and bringing a lot of energy to practice. That sets a tone within itself. 

[Ravensfan23]

Will be interested in hearing how all the receivers are doing, not just our #1 pick.  Aiken, Waller, and DeAndre Carter in particular.

 

Well according to Baltimore Beatdown. Brown, Aiken, Butler and Carter all saw first team reps yesterday and all did well. Sounds like Brown, Butler and Carter along with Smitty had the better day. Those 4 guys were making big plays and showed great hands all day. 

[Sami84]

Sami still coming with the comedy

 

Webb is a good corner? since when?

 

is it 2009-2011?

[Sami84]

worried about suggs

 

correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't his not so great 2009 season the one where he came in around the same time that year being fat?

[TXRavensFan]

Didn't like hearing Max Williams was the victim of the defenses turnover party but that's a part of the learning curve for him.

 

Oh no! Maxx Williams must be a bust because he fumbled in minicamp! Sami84 must be devastated!

 

/sarc

[Sami84]

Oh no! Maxx Williams must be a bust because he fumbled in minicamp! Sami84 must be devastated!

 

/sarc

Pretty sure that was nick boyle

[757RavensFan]

Pretty sure that was nick boyle

They both fumbled yesterday.

[jazz1988]

worried about suggs

 

correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't his not so great 2009 season the one where he came in around the same time that year being fat?

 

2009 was the year that Terrell Suggs skip OTAs and Minicamp due to him wanting a contract extentision/new deal and not wanting  to sign the franchise tag for the second time. He also experience a  ankle injury which kept him out  of   preseason games and since he only played 13 games that year he must had subtain another injury during the regular season as well.

[Gordo52]

They both fumbled yesterday.

Then they're both busts and people should expect them to be nothing more than detours for us.