Ravens OTAs and minicamp discussion

[Cillmatic]

We do have Jensen. I'm just saying if its an offer we can't reject, somewhat of a 3rd rounder, which is very unlikely. I do think reguardless if Urschel wins the C job that we'll still keep Zuttah.

Jensen sucks

[Rav'n Maniac]

Jensen sucks

That's just so wrong! He's depth. Jensen may never amount to anything more than a career backup and may never see the field, but the team has seen enough talent in him to offer him a EFA contract this season. Even if he is just on the PS, he benefits the team by helping them to prepare week in and week out.

[Ravensfan23]

I know there is no Jimmy and no Webb, bit for the WRs to look strong right now is encouraging to me. I have my questions about each guy, but right now it seems that they have really been pros in terms of not resting on the little success they had last year. Meaning Brown and Aiken. In terms of Butler i love how he's not conceding his opportunities. Last year i though his camp was better then both Brown and Aiken but the injury shut him down. I remember hin putting in a show at the M&T Bank practice. This year he's come back and sounds like he's even stronger. I think many hace written him off, myself included but i think he has a real shot. I would hate to be the one to have the final decision on who stays and who goes. Should all the guys play well.

[Cillmatic]

I know there is no Jimmy and no Webb, bit for the WRs to look strong right now is encouraging to me. I have my questions about each guy, but right now it seems that they have really been pros in terms of not resting on the little success they had last year. Meaning Brown and Aiken. In terms of Butler i love how he's not conceding his opportunities. Last year i though his camp was better then both Brown and Aiken but the injury shut him down. I remember hin putting in a show at the M&T Bank practice. This year he's come back and sounds like he's even stronger. I think many hace written him off, myself included but i think he has a real shot. I would hate to be the one to have the final decision on who stays and who goes. Should all the guys play well.

We'll see how they do when the actual starters come to practice. All the hype we're hearing about Aiken and Co. is worthless if they can't do good against starting caliber players.

[BmoreBird22]

We do have Jensen. I'm just saying if its an offer we can't reject, somewhat of a 3rd rounder, which is very unlikely. I do think reguardless if Urschel wins the C job that we'll still keep Zuttah.

No one seems to consider that Zuttah plays LG and next year KO is very likely gone

[JoeyFlex5]

No one seems to consider that Zuttah plays LG and next year KO is very likely gone

i think zuttah would stay at C for the duration of his contract while urschel takes over the departed guard spot, zuttah walks after the contract, urschel takes C, myers takes over at guard, i think myers is a very solid prospect and i think he'll find a starting spot for us.

[Ravensfan23]

We'll see how they do when the actual starters come to practice. All the hype we're hearing about Aiken and Co. is worthless if they can't do good against starting caliber players.

Not true. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Arrington and Vaughn guys who came from other teams with starting experience? Did Will Hill not start every game he played last year and was rated the 2nd best FS in the NFL during 2013? Isn't Lewis projected to be our starting FS this year? Regardless of your opinion of how he played, Melvin saw an considerable amount of game action last year. My point is 2 things.

1. Jimmy and Webb are the only starters out right now but the WRs are still competing against NFL caliber DBs. Every team won't have a Jimmy Smith on it. Also when Jimmy Smith did practice in the first OTA, there were reports that Aiken had a couple nice grabs against him.

2. If this part of the offseason was pointless, coaches wouldn't put so much emphasis on it. Right now Flacco and the WRs are developing timing with each other, it's not just about who they are competing against. Right now Flacco is starting to build trust in his WRs in "this" offense.

Judging by the way you are viewing things the entire TC will mean nothing because the offense will never game plan to beat the defense and they certainly won't show the Eagles anything. If you're talking about a WR competition, all 10 young guys won't be lining against Jimmy or the best CBs during this time.

[Sami84]

i think zuttah would stay at C for the duration of his contract while urschel takes over the departed guard spot, zuttah walks after the contract, urschel takes C, myers takes over at guard, i think myers is a very solid prospect and i think he'll find a starting spot for us.

 

i don't see myers in the same light.

 

I see him as one of the picks that ends up not making it in the NFL..doesnt have a mean streak and actually looks pretty weak.

[HoldingCall]

We'll see how they do when the actual starters come to practice. All the hype we're hearing about Aiken and Co. is worthless if they can't do good against starting caliber players.

In addition, it's unlikely the GM and coaches see things the same as our writers, but the hype is still interesting.

[Static]

Urschel will take the departed guard spot and we'll probably use a high pick on a guard when necessary 

[Cillmatic]

Not true. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Arrington and Vaughn guys who came from other teams with starting experience? Did Will Hill not start every game he played last year and was rated the 2nd best FS in the NFL during 2013? Isn't Lewis projected to be our starting FS this year? Regardless of your opinion of how he played, Melvin saw an considerable amount of game action last year. My point is 2 things.

1. Jimmy and Webb are the only starters out right now but the WRs are still competing against NFL caliber DBs. Every team won't have a Jimmy Smith on it. Also when Jimmy Smith did practice in the first OTA, there were reports that Aiken had a couple nice grabs against him.

2. If this part of the offseason was pointless, coaches wouldn't put so much emphasis on it. Right now Flacco and the WRs are developing timing with each other, it's not just about who they are competing against. Right now Flacco is starting to build trust in his WRs in "this" offense.

Judging by the way you are viewing things the entire TC will mean nothing because the offense will never game plan to beat the defense and they certainly won't show the Eagles anything. If you're talking about a WR competition, all 10 young guys won't be lining against Jimmy or the best CBs during this time.

You got a point mate. I stand corrected.

[ravensdan]

i don't see myers in the same light.

I see him as one of the picks that ends up not making it in the NFL..doesnt have a mean streak and actually looks pretty weak.

I don't see that in Myers at all. I would bet he will be our best value pick in this draft class in three yrs time.

[GrimCoconut]

I wonder if Urschel did become the starting center if our FO would then use zuttah as trading bait or a back up.

I can see the Ravens use Zuttah at LG if we can't keep KO and re-sign Yanda. That would give us Monroe | Zuttah | Urschel | Yanda | Wagner as or OL. Pretty good if you ask me. Zuttah could slide over and play center if anything happened to Urschel, too. That all hinges on Urschel actually being the center though. Zuttah has played LG in the past.

[GrimCoconut]

No one seems to consider that Zuttah plays LG and next year KO is very likely gone

Lol I didn't read the entire thread when I posted, but I posted this very thing. Haha great minds.

[Underdogsontop!]

I can see the Ravens use Zuttah at LG if we can't keep KO and re-sign Yanda. That would give us Monroe | Zuttah | Urschel | Yanda | Wagner as or OL. Pretty good if you ask me. Zuttah could slide over and play center if anything happened to Urschel, too. That all hinges on Urschel actually being the center though. Zuttah has played LG in the past.

Thats not a bad idea. I'm really glad we have some versitile guys.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I can see the Ravens use Zuttah at LG if we can't keep KO and re-sign Yanda. That would give us Monroe | Zuttah | Urschel | Yanda | Wagner as or OL. Pretty good if you ask me. Zuttah could slide over and play center if anything happened to Urschel, too. That all hinges on Urschel actually being the center though. Zuttah has played LG in the past.

I feel that Zuttah having KO and Yanda as bookends really helps him look better. I also think KO helps Monroe out as well. jmo

Edited June 9, 2015 by Rav'n Maniac

[izvoodoo]

I feel that Zuttah having KO and Yanda as bookends really helps him look better. I also think KO helps Monroe out as well. jmo

Either way for this season if Urschel can legit play center I want him to play center.

 

I feel like Monroe, KO, Urschel, Yanda and Wagner would be nasty nasty.  

[rmw10]

I hate all of the reports I'm seeing on Schaub.  It seems like it's INT after INT for him based on the reports I've seen.  I get that he's just a backup, but man, that's rough if true.  $2M isn't some drop in the bucket.

[Ravensfan23]

I hate all of the reports I'm seeing on Schaub.  It seems like it's INT after INT for him based on the reports I've seen.  I get that he's just a backup, but man, that's rough if true.  $2M isn't some drop in the bucket.

 

I think it speaks more to how good Flacco is then how bad Schaub is. I think you should expect a QB in a new offense to have some struggles, especially against a defense that basically knows what they wanna do. We hear how good and sharp Flacco looks, even last year this time, despite being in a new offense, but i don't think that's common. Now i'll agree that it doesn't sound good in regards to Schuab, especially because of his reputation, but I'll hold off until the preseason on my judgment of him. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Everything we are hearing is saying Perriman has strongand sure hands wich was the 1 big knock for him comming out of college. I know the hitting has not started but this is kinda exciting.

[Edgar]

I hate all of the reports I'm seeing on Schaub.  It seems like it's INT after INT for him based on the reports I've seen.  I get that he's just a backup, but man, that's rough if true.  $2M isn't some drop in the bucket.

I feel the same. I was dubious when we signed him. Has looked awful in actual games of late.

[berad]

I hate all of the reports I'm seeing on Schaub.  It seems like it's INT after INT for him based on the reports I've seen.  I get that he's just a backup, but man, that's rough if true.  $2M isn't some drop in the bucket.

 

I'm with you

[757RavensFan]

I hate all of the reports I'm seeing on Schaub.  It seems like it's INT after INT for him based on the reports I've seen.  I get that he's just a backup, but man, that's rough if true.  $2M isn't some drop in the bucket.

 

could have kept Tyrod for that matter and probably saved about $1M.

[757RavensFan]

Everything we are hearing is saying Perriman has strongand sure hands wich was the 1 big knock for him comming out of college. I know the hitting has not started but this is kinda exciting.

 

Actually Perriman's knock coming out of college was his drops due to lack of concentration.  It actually had nothing to do w/ his strong and sure hands.

[callahan09]

Actually Perriman's knock coming out of college was his drops due to lack of concentration.  It actually had nothing to do w/ his strong and sure hands.

He also had a mediocre (at best) QB with a poor arm and a wobbly "spiral", most of those drops were on lame passes.  From what I've seen, he tends to be strong with those rocket passes that Flacco tends to throw.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

I feel the same. I was dubious when we signed him. Has looked awful in actual games of late.

 

I think we've been in a situation the last few years (and continue to be) where if Joe goes down, our season goes down with him.  Schaub isn't even a capable backup, but Tyrod wanted to leave so there was no possibility of keeping him unless we wanted to overpay.

[Edgar]

I think we've been in a situation the last few years (and continue to be) where if Joe goes down, our season goes down with him.  Schaub isn't even a capable backup, but Tyrod wanted to leave so there was no possibility of keeping him unless we wanted to overpay.

Ideally the back up could at least come in and keep the team in contention for 2-4 games. I think ours is a liability.

Teams will sell out to stop the run, and wait for Schaub to throw it to them.

[jazz1988]

could have kept Tyrod for that matter and probably saved about $1M.

 

True but Tyrod wanted to go to a team where he would have a better chance being a starter which is exactly the chance he gets with The Buffalo Bills.

[jazz1988]

I think it speaks more to how good Flacco is then how bad Schaub is. I think you should expect a QB in a new offense to have some struggles, especially against a defense that basically knows what they wanna do. We hear how good and sharp Flacco looks, even last year this time, despite being in a new offense, but i don't think that's common. Now i'll agree that it doesn't sound good in regards to Schuab, especially because of his reputation, but I'll hold off until the preseason on my judgment of him. 

 

I understand your point but the offense isn't really suppose to be all that different from what Gary Kubiak ran last year. The Ravens made it clear that they would continue to run the same offensive scheme  from last year. I even read  where one of the reasons why Matt Schaub was signed was  because of his knowledge of Gary Kubiak offensive scheme.  I'm sure Trestman  still bringing some new stuff but according to some players(Flacco, Aiken, Smith Sr,) the offensive scheme isn't totally new.  

 

Schaub is playing on a new team and with different receivers so it's probably only natural for him to be uncomfortable .

 

 

I hate all of the reports I'm seeing on Schaub.  It seems like it's INT after INT for him based on the reports I've seen.  I get that he's just a backup, but man, that's rough if true.  $2M isn't some drop in the bucket.

  

 

Yeah I feel the same way but maybe he just needs to get more comfortable since this is a new team he's playing for. 

[BmoreBird22]

I understand your point but the offense isn't really suppose to be all that different from what Gary Kubiak ran last year. The Ravens made it clear that they would continue to run the same offensive scheme  from last year. I even read  where one of the reasons why Matt Schaub was signed was  because of his knowledge of Gary Kubiak offensive scheme.  I'm sure Trestman  still bringing some new stuff but according to some players(Flacco, Aiken, Smith Sr,) the offensive scheme isn't totally new.  

 

Schaub is playing on a new team and with different receivers so it's probably only natural for him to be uncomfortable .

 

 

  

 

Yeah I feel the same way but maybe he just needs to get more comfortable since this is a new team he's playing for. 

I'm sure it's not that different as far as terminology goes since it is a west coast offense, but Trestman almost certainly has a different philosophy (he's definitely more pass heavy) and I'm guessing he also has an entirely different way of how he wants the plays to be designed. Kubiak seemed to like to set up the run to set up the deep ball play action. Trestman places a larger emphasis on the short to mid game and going over the middle with those big receivers. It's going to be a transition.