[News] Late For Work 5/12: 5 Reasons Recently Cut CB Kyle Arrington Makes Sense For Ravens

[reed20fence]

Ill take Kyle Arrington.. If Oz could pull that off I would feel good with our strength at CB even if injuries happen

Kyle Arrington was released and not waived for a reason. The Pats believe his contract is overvalued versus his Fair Market Value. He's gonna find the highest offer and go back to the Pats so they can match it and lock him in at a lower rate. The better teams like us and the Pats have been engaging in this excercise for years.

Not all players, especially guys with families, are interested in uprooting and moving all over the place. They'll happily have an understanding with their team that they'll dabble in the market and settle for a Fair Market Value match (essentially a value-verified pay cut).

Edited May 12, 2015 by reed20fence

[Fastynart]

Levine to safety? Now this speaks volumes. Even though the Ravens won't own up to it, Elam was a big mistake. He is a hole in the defense wherever he plays. Tired of the lame excuses being made for him. This year should be his last chance. He has done nothing since being drafted a #1. Whomever thought this guy was worthy of a first round pick should be fired.

[hen826957]

I think Joe needs to put those paint things by his eyes just like Russell Wilson or Ray Lewis has it looks pretty cool or game day.

[RavensBaltimore]

I hope the fact that Walker has been having trouble staying with Perriman says a lot more about Perriman than it does about Walker.

[hen826957]

I hope Ozzie signs Kyle Arrington soon he will fix our secondary problems. I wanted him to sign Alfonzo Dennard because he was younger and about the same height but the Cardinals got him so Arrington makes much since. Let's do it Ozzie.

[jboy19]

Kyle Arrington was released and not waived for a reason. The Pats believe his contract is overvalued versus his Fair Market Value. He's gonna find the highest offer and go back to the Pats so they can match it and lock him in at a lower rate. The better teams like us and the Pats have been engaging in this excercise for years.

Not all players, especially guys with families, are interested in uprooting and moving all over the place. They'll happily have an understanding with their team that they'll dabble in the market and settle for a Fair Market Value match (essentially a value-verified pay cut).

 

He was released because players who accrue more than 4 NFL seasons cannot be waived. I wouldn't mind if they kicked the tires on him. He probably will end up back in NE, but who knows, maybe he could think he has a better chance of making a Super Bowl with the Ravens than with the Patriots, especially after all the punishments and such. I don't even think 3 million a year is that bad for him to be honest. 

[cobrajet]

Kyle Arrington would be a nice addition to this team. I am all for kicking the tires on him!

[TXRavensFan]

Heard Mike and Mike this morning and Darren Woodson brought up that the game in which these deflated footballs could have had a larger impact was the week before against the Ravens where at halftime the temperature was 8 degrees with wind chill and the Patriots officially only tallied 4 run attempts in the second half, all 4 were Brady sacks. I assume he's done the legwork to confirm those numbers.

This combined with the interview from Eli Manning in which he admits that he tested out softer footballs after this hoopla broke and did find that it's easier to throw and catch balls with less air should give us something to think about.

I know guys like Aaron Rogers think this is much ado about nothing and we as an organization like to put this stoic image of not caring and winning anyway out there, but fair is fair. These guys broke the rules. And they most likely did it against us in a close game.

And all the talk of "oh well we gave up two 14 point leads" and "oh but our secondary sucked" and "no one forced Joe to make that pass to Torrey and Torrey to play it weak" is besides the point given that all of that coulda changed with one crucial drop or fumble by the Pats if the balls weren't softened for them to cheat.

We coulda been in another Super Bowl.

 

Don't want to sound like I'm making excuses, but the texts in the Wells Report indicate that the biggest "payday" for "the deflator" was a few days before that game, so it seems likely they would have used that tactic (especially considering how well the Ravens play them up there).

 

I'm not sure what kind of actual effect a deflated ball has during actual game play, but I can't help but wonder if Daniels catches that TD rather than bouncing off his hands if the ball was underinflated. If that's the kind of effect it has, then it gave the Patsies a real advantage.

Edited May 12, 2015 by TXRavensFan

[drillem]

Arrington makes sense if the team can afford the price or work out a deal. If Brady didn't cheat he might not be the big 'superstar' he's made out to be. It's a lot easier for his receivers to haul in the balls when they are soft. Wonder how many years he's been doing this?? And who gained? That is the question. Did Brady get more $$ for doing this?? The team benefitted the most. I think this scam goes right to the top of their organization. Brady was for sure in on it (he handled the balls). But who actually gained? Bellycheck and Kraft gained. Ego's aside, this thing stinks up the NFL to the highest degree possible, especially considering this same organization has been known to cheat before with spygate.

[rmcjacket23]

Levine to safety? Now this speaks volumes. Even though the Ravens won't own up to it, Elam was a big mistake. He is a hole in the defense wherever he plays. Tired of the lame excuses being made for him. This year should be his last chance. He has done nothing since being drafted a #1. Whomever thought this guy was worthy of a first round pick should be fired.

Levine was always a safety. He was a safety the same year Elam was drafted. He's depth at safety and a core ST player, which is where most of his value is.

 

Last year was the first year he played corner, and we all know why.

 

Obviously firing a guy who thought he was first round material is overly excessive and overreactionary at a minimum. Luckily, great businesses don't operate that way.

[thegooddoc456]

Can we stop playing around and sign a serviceable corner already.

[ellicottraven]

@EllicottRaven

I don't necessarily subscribe to this conspiracy angle.

Of the limited words I heard on this yesterday, Ryan Clark's were the most sober and measured. He basically reiterated what Shefter confirmed this morning. The NFL saw this as Brady taking PEDs. Whether you took drugs or pressured lowly staff into cheating with equipment, bottom line is you compromised the integrity of the competition. What's the suspension for a first PED offense? 4 games.

Right now there's still debate as to whether Kraft is going to backtrack on his words from the Wells report release and appeal the draft pick punishment as excessive.

Some people tried to twist and make a case out of "well the Wells report exonerated the organization so why are they punishing them with the picks" argument. But it's been well established as a principle (as we saw with Bounty Gate) that coaches and GMs that let this kind of activity go on, even by neglect, are liable to be punished.

I don't expect anyone to subscribe to my opinion. More importantly I just laid out a plausible scenario which would be an apt strategy on the part of the NFL and the Patriots. I don't think of it as a conspiracy theory as much as a public relations strategy with 2 parties involved in its creation - the NFL and the Patriots. That's all.

[Mr.Incredible]

Arrington would be a nice pickup... seems like a solid option to me

[balfan23]

Levine to safety? Now this speaks volumes. Even though the Ravens won't own up to it, Elam was a big mistake. He is a hole in the defense wherever he plays. Tired of the lame excuses being made for him. This year should be his last chance. He has done nothing since being drafted a #1. Whomever thought this guy was worthy of a first round pick should be fired.

I think this as more to do with the fact that we're committed to bringing in another CB, rather than with how we feel about Elam (since Levine was converted to CB last year). 

 

I don't think anyone will argue that Elam has been anything but a disappointment thus far. You say that this year should be his last chance ... and it will be his last chance. Given that, I will wait until we see what he can do this season before I pronounce him dead. 

 

If he ultimately does not pan out, it will not be the first time a quality scout or FO executive made a mistake ... and it will not be the last. No first class organization fires a guy over 1 bad pick. 

[balfan23]

Tired of hearing the comparison between Brady's suspension and Rice's initial 2 game suspension. Pats fans could whine about that had Brady been suspended before or immediately after Rice's suspension. But league's revised approach for Rice and other DV incidents has been indefinite suspensions that have lasted for as long as an entire season.

[riseNConquer81]

5) Knows what it takes to win

If Arrington signed with the Ravens, he would go from one winning organization to another. He was part of four AFC championship teams, and two Super Bowl teams.

Winning the AFC East by default and riding the coat tails of two cheaters once the real competition arives in the playoffs is a lot different than lining up and destroying the dudes in front of you.

The latter is how we do things, and no Patriot knows much about that at all.

[steelcityraven]

I would love to see the ravens sign Kyle Arrington. The Pats have a plethora of solid DB's and even losing Reevis, they feel confident that they don't have to over pay CB's bc of what they have behind them. We can get him at a fair market value and we don't need him to be a # 1 or a # 2.... He is a very good # 3 CB and adds very solid depth if either Webb or Jimmy were to miss anytime! I love the idea of signing Arrington.... lets make it happen

[riseNConquer81]

I would love to see the ravens sign Kyle Arrington. The Pats have a plethora of solid DB's and even losing Reevis, they feel confident that they don't have to over pay CB's bc of what they have behind them. We can get him at a fair market value and we don't need him to be a # 1 or a # 2.... He is a very good # 3 CB and adds very solid depth if either Webb or Jimmy were to miss anytime! I love the idea of signing Arrington.... lets make it happen

The Pats have Devin McCourty who is a great safety, Pat chung who is eh, and a bunch of guys i cant name becuse they are either terrible or have little to no play time and were the reason that Belichick went out to sign Revis and Browner in the first place.

Edited May 12, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[ravensrock007]

Way to go Justin(s)! Joe, can't wait to see you throw....

[bioLarzen]

Can we stop playing around and sign a serviceable corner already.

 

You're making it sound like the only reason it hasn't yet happened is because Ozzie didn't feel like getting one...

 

Reality is a somewhat different.

[rmcjacket23]

Tired of hearing the comparison between Brady's suspension and Rice's initial 2 game suspension. Pats fans could whine about that had Brady been suspended before or immediately after Rice's suspension. But league's revised approach for Rice and other DV incidents has been indefinite suspensions that have lasted for as long as an entire season.

Undoubtedly true. One has to question though whether or not the NFL is essentially overreacting on its punishment due to the beating they took for under-reacting to other punishments.

[bioLarzen]

He was released because players who accrue more than 4 NFL seasons cannot be waived.

 

Is this a new rule? I clearly remember when in 2010 Randy Moss was cut by the Pats and went to Minnesota, but was cut again a few weeks later, the Titans claimed him off waivers - and at that point Moss had more than a decade of NFL behind him.

 

Or does this rule only apply to off-seasons?

 

... and anyway, aren't "cut" "released" and "waived" essentially the very same thing?

Edited May 12, 2015 by bioLarzen

[Purple&Black]

It absolutely makes sense. I thought we'd make a play on Denard but he was snatched up quickly. We didn't draft cb early because we have quality starters. We just need depth in the event every single cb gets hurt again. Arrington would be a solid nickel.

[riseNConquer81]

Is this a new rule? I clearly remember when in 2010 Randy Moss was cut by the Pats and went to Minnesota, but was cut again a few weeks later, the Titans claimed him off waivers - and at that point Moss had more than a decade of NFL behind him.

 

Or does this rule only apply to off-seasons?

 

... and anyway, aren't "cut" "released" and "waived" essentially the very same thing?

"cut" is slang, and used interchangeably as a synonym for both "waived" and "released".

Generally when people are just trying to get the point that the player is no longer with the team across, they say cut. The team or fans of the team getting rid of the player can say cut and not be concerned with which term is actually correct because the result is the same for them either way: the player isnt with them any more.

"Waived" and "released" are business terms.

When you're waived: your service with your current team is terminated and you must pass through the waiver wire unclaimed before becoming a free agent. This is what happens to every player with less than 4 years of career. Its not a new rule.

When you are released: your services with your current team are terminated and you are at that very moment, an unrestricted free agent, free to sign with any team you like. This is the case for every one with a 4+ year old career.

Edited May 12, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[Grapple Raven]

Is this a new rule? I clearly remember when in 2010 Randy Moss was cut by the Pats and went to Minnesota, but was cut again a few weeks later, the Titans claimed him off waivers - and at that point Moss had more than a decade of NFL behind him.

 

Or does this rule only apply to off-seasons?

 

... and anyway, aren't "cut" "released" and "waived" essentially the very same thing?

 

Bio, here is a good link that does a great job explaining the difference btw "released", "waived" and "cut".  Hope it helps.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8085ee3e/article/even-in-the-offseason-nfl-education-never-ends

[JetLife94]

Sounds like a good fit to me. There's obviously a reason why Ozzie isn't signing him.

[JoeyFlex5]

most of these speculations made by the websites reporters never come to fruition, i would love the signing though, we have a decent amount of cap space left, and it wouldnt count against the comp formula, and it fills a need with a solid, veteran player with loads of playoff experience, the absolute perfect signing for us, he also brings knowledge of the patriots which is always a plus. i have a feeling though that ozzie is looking for a cb to sign for less than 2mil this year and i think arrington would demand more

[cobrajet]

Don't want to sound like I'm making excuses, but the texts in the Wells Report indicate that the biggest "payday" for "the deflator" was a few days before that game, so it seems likely they would have used that tactic (especially considering how well the Ravens play them up there).

 

I'm not sure what kind of actual effect a deflated ball has during actual game play, but I can't help but wonder if Daniels catches that TD rather than bouncing off his hands if the ball was underinflated. If that's the kind of effect it has, then it gave the Patsies a real advantage.

Robert Kraft owes the Ravens organization a big apology. They may not have won that playoff game with us if it was not for those under-inflated balls. That on top of their cheating eligible receiver lineups leave a very bitter taste in my mouth. They sure did not play that playoff game with sportsmanship!!!!!!!!!!!!!  IMHO, they can never undue the wrong they did to us.

[mearzunkies]

Cheratriots! Plain and simple. They stretch the rules so far they forget where the line is!

[jackrogers]

All Belicheat has to do is make Brady ineligible and McNally and Jas eligible for suspension. Or Brady shave his head, grow a Fu Manchu, wear number 21 and change his identity. That way he can start the first 4 games. It's not against the rules. There is so much not against the rules for the Patriots to feed on.