Too Early 2016 Prospect Watch

[GrimCoconut]

If Myles Jack declares and falls to us then yes. We take him. He and Mosley would easily be the best ILB duo in the NFL.

But yeah. Otherwise no

Lol that's who I was thinking of, too, when I wrote that haha. I knew UCLA fans would probably get it.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Lol that's who I was thinking of, too, when I wrote that haha. I knew UCLA fans would probably get it.

Myles Jack is so freaking good in coverage and athletic that he covers college level WRs. In a lot of ways he'd kill two birds with one stone

1. Smith's replacement

2. He'd make the middle of the field impossible to use.

Strange thing is. I think he'd be better at RB

Edited September 24, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[RaineV1]

Myles Jack would be the only ILB I'd want the Ravens to draft early, if he's there. Otherwise just look for a cheap option in free agency or a middle round pick.

[Cillmatic]

I'd definitely pick Myles Jack. Daryl doesn't have much time left, Mosley sucks in coverage and if one of them go down we're screwed.

[ravensnick]

I'd definitely pick Myles Jack. Daryl doesn't have much time left, Mosley sucks in coverage and if one of them go down we're screwed.

Wouldn't go that far. Mosley is not as gifted as Daryl in coverage (few ILBs in the league are) but by no means would I call him bad.

 

That being said, Jack is one of the most athletic ILBs I have ever seen.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah. Myles Jack is one of the few ILB I actually want. I like UCLA (I wouldn't say I'm a fan, but I do follow quite a few of their players) & I really like the way he moves and plays. He's a football player. I love the kid and I would certainly take him in the first round. Even if Brown becomes something, he would be a hell of an addition here because he can play multiple positions and you will get him on the field. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Yeah. Myles Jack is one of the few ILB I actually want. I like UCLA (I wouldn't say I'm a fan, but I do follow quite a few of their players) & I really like the way he moves and plays. He's a football player. I love the kid and I would certainly take him in the first round. Even if Brown becomes something, he would be a hell of an addition here because he can play multiple positions and you will get him on the field.

Only thing UCLA has never used Jack for is pass rush. Which is insane when you consider his speed. Then again. He would always drop back into coverage. Part of me wonders if you could stick him in at SS and let Hill roam in the back.. In some packages. He could do it. Even at 241 pounds he runs faster than most WRs... Which is totally insane when you think about it Edited September 25, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[BmoreBird22]

Wouldn't go that far. Mosley is not as gifted as Daryl in coverage (few ILBs in the league are) but by no means would I call him bad.

 

That being said, Jack is one of the most athletic ILBs I have ever seen.

I think Mosley has the entire skill set for coverage and did it quite well in college. There's just a fairly steep learning curve for coverage for any player. We see top 10 corners struggle for years, why expect anything different for Mosley?

With that said, with Jack out for the year, I doubt he declares

[GrimCoconut]

I think Mosley has the entire skill set for coverage and did it quite well in college. There's just a fairly steep learning curve for coverage for any player. We see top 10 corners struggle for years, why expect anything different for Mosley?

With that said, with Jack out for the year, I doubt he declares

I'm not so sure about that. I was also quick to say he'll return next year, but I thought about it and I realized players have declared before despite injury. It all depends on how it affects his stock. When you consider that he'll likely be healed by the Combine, it certainly looks possible that we very well could see him declare this year.

If he can fully participate at the Combine, I don't see why his draft stock would significantly suffer. Teams already know what he can do and how good he is. I don't think that's at all in question. In fact, you could argue that this may be his best chance to go high in spite of the injury. If he returns to school and gets hurt again next year, that would certainly hurt his chances.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm not so sure about that. I was also quick to say he'll return next year, but I thought about it and I realized players have declared before despite injury. It all depends on how it affects his stock. When you consider that he'll likely be healed by the Combine, it certainly looks possible that we very well could see him declare this year.

If he can fully participate at the Combine, I don't see why his draft stock would significantly suffer. Teams already know what he can do and how good he is. I don't think that's at all in question. In fact, you could argue that this may be his best chance to go high in spite of the injury. If he returns to school and gets hurt again next year, that would certainly hurt his chances.

What is the exact knee injury, anyway?

[GrimCoconut]

What is the exact knee injury, anyway?

Torn meniscus and out 4-6 months.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2202741-myles-jack-injury-updates-on-ucla-stars-knee-and-return

[BmoreBird22]

Torn meniscus and out 4-6 months.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2202741-myles-jack-injury-updates-on-ucla-stars-knee-and-return

I had just saw he was out for the rest of the season, no explanation.

[52520Andrew]

I'm not so sure about that. I was also quick to say he'll return next year, but I thought about it and I realized players have declared before despite injury. It all depends on how it affects his stock. When you consider that he'll likely be healed by the Combine, it certainly looks possible that we very well could see him declare this year.

If he can fully participate at the Combine, I don't see why his draft stock would significantly suffer. Teams already know what he can do and how good he is. I don't think that's at all in question. In fact, you could argue that this may be his best chance to go high in spite of the injury. If he returns to school and gets hurt again next year, that would certainly hurt his chances.

 

Yeah that is a tough one, Gurley tore his ACL and still ended up going in the top 10 of the draft last year so Jack could definitely still declare. At the same time though, I would imagine some coaches and scouts want to see actual game film on him recovered before investing a high pick. A game like the Senior Bowl would be great for him to show that he is ready to go although I don't think he would be eligible.

 

Either way, would love for a college all star game that these underclassmen could play in, sure it could encourage some more players to come out who may not be ready(although that is a major trend that is happening anyways) but it also gives a good look at some of these top shelf prospects and gives some underclassmen an opportunity to increase their draft stock. Plus there are usually quite a few underclassmen that would be fun to watch and we don't get to see much of them once the season is over outside of pro days and combine.

[BmoreBird22]

BleacherReport used their power rankings to determine a draft order and had the Ravens taking Jalen Ramsey (CB, not S) at number 8. The Seahawks got Treadwell at 9 and... I don't remember who got Tyler Boyd at 13. Jack went 15. 

[BmoreBird22]

Also an interesting idea regarding Myles Garrett and Leonard Fournette as true sophomores. Miller proposed that elite true sophomores should be able to petition the NFL GM's and see if they can receive a majority of first round grades from executives. If they do, then they should be allowed to declare.

[allblackraven]

Kamalei Correa (Boise State) might be interesting pass rusher to watch - they are on in about half an hour vs Virginia.

[PurpleCity5]

Its a good CB class so we could pick one in the 1st, but guys could be flying off the boards since this is a good CB class. It wouldn't shock me if the talent at CB/Pass rusher runs thin and we pick another WR in the 1st, I think the F.O learned from 2013 and wouldn't want to leave Joe dry of weapons. Smith Sr. is on his last ride and we could very well lose Aiken to FA. 

Edited September 26, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Fournette... That guy can just play. He can do everything. He's on a different level of beast and is probably going to be a top 5 pick next year. Not even Gurley had the ceiling he does. He's probably going to be the next star RB.

I think RB is a vastly underrated need for us. I do like Buck Allen. But I don't see him as a starter. Taliefero is nothing more than a power back. Forsett is a product of the oline. We need a RB imo.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Myles Jack will leave...Talent like him doesn't grow on trees.

[Static]

Fournette... That guy can just play. He can do everything. He's on a different level of beast and is probably going to be a top 5 pick next year. Not even Gurley had the ceiling he does. He's probably going to be the next star RB.

I think RB is a vastly underrated need for us. I do like Buck Allen. But I don't see him as a starter. Taliefero is nothing more than a power back. Forsett is a product of the oline. We need a RB imo.

 

I agree. I miss the days when we had a star RunningBack BUT I still am really against spending high picks on RBs.

 

Who is the best sure tackling coverage FS?

Edited September 26, 2015 by Static

[Dubs]

Not a high rounder but I was impressed by Jonathan Bullard, DL, Florida in their game against tennessee today. Great game btw, and really cannot believe they came back for the win, rather disappointed tbh. On Bullard though he looks like he needs to add some bulk to do what we ask of our DL but he can play in multiple fronts, he does look to have a natural strength to him and he has some burst. Would be a nice mid rounder at this point who I think could develop really well.

 

Also in the same game Cameron Sutton, CB, looked solid, not great. Did not see him getting targeted a ton so in that way he did do pretty good. On the couple I remember his tackling was iffy, very high and his frame is slight for sure. He is an extremely aggressive jammer--at this point I have not seen enough to say if in good or bad way but as of now I wonder if he is over-aggressive in this way as his technique seemed sloppy and full body lunge like, which some veteran and well coached NFL players can have some fun with. Am really interested in him though as a first rounder to keep an eye on as his length and movement are impressive

[Static]

I wonder how Shiquile Calhoun would do a 3-4 olb

[Inqui]

I wonder how Shiquile Calhoun would do a 3-4 olb

In the pros that's where I see him playing tbh, mainly as a Robert Mathis type. I feel like he doesn't have the size or the power to play 4-3 DE, but I've been wrong before.

[Static]

In the pros that's where I see him playing tbh, mainly as a Robert Mathis type. I feel like he doesn't have the size or the power to play 4-3 DE, but I've been wrong before.

 

 

i like calhoun but i think we'll be getting a much prospect than him

[Inqui]

I'm all in on the Jalen Ramsey bandwagon until someone better comes along or we're officially out of the range we'll need to be in to get him. Looks like this will be the second year in a row my favourite guy in the draft is a Nole.

 

I need to go and get myself absolved.

[Inqui]

i like calhoun but i think we'll be getting a much prospect than him

He's one of my early favourites (and has been for a while), but I'm starting to see him as a day two guy.

[Static]

I'm all in on the Jalen Ramsey bandwagon until someone better comes along or we're officially out of the range we'll need to be in to get him. Looks like this will be the second year in a row my favourite guy in the draft is a Nole.

 

I need to go and get myself absolved.

 

Ramsey would be a safety and Cornerback for the future.

 

Im all in on him

[allblackraven]

Who would have thought? This one and "2016 needs" threads will be very exciting this year. We might be picking in elite player range.

[Inqui]

Who would have thought? This one and "2016 needs" threads will be very exciting this year. We might be picking in elite player range.

More than anything I think the next few weeks will be really interesting. I feel like we're much better than 0-3 (I'm not giving up hope on the postseason yet) but our situational play on third downs in particular is just dreadful, so I guess we'll see over the next two or three weeks which outcome I want to root for.

[JoeyFlex5]

Who would have thought? This one and "2016 needs" threads will be very exciting this year. We might be picking in elite player range.

ha i was coming here just to say this. 

 

now if we are picking in the top 10, where do we go with it? are there any WRs that you are sold on as late-top10 guys?(im assuming thats where well be picking at this rate) or do we go after a OT, pass rusher, or maybe jalen ramsey? 

 

i personally think ramsey is the kind of person we can rightfully say would be a savior of this defense and to have jernigan, mosley, and ramsey we will have formed ourselves a new "old guard" like we had with ngata ray and reed