Too Early 2016 Prospect Watch

[GrimCoconut]

Ya I think some saw the INT's and got overly excited about the idea of an Ed Reed 2.0. It is very hard to study safeties though.

Awards really mean nothing in terms of NFL projection. I still need to take a look at King though, probably will when finals are over.

I really like King as a safety more than a CB. I think it really complements his abilities better than at CB. I could be wrong, maybe he can play CB, but he seems to play best when he is in off-man coverage. Honestly, he may very well be the perfect CB for Dean Pees. 

 

I do like King quite a bit. Not sure where he ends up getting drafted. He could be a first round pick if a team likes him enough. I recall people talked little about Byron Jones and he went in the first by the time of the draft. Prospects may not be well known among the media but teams have different outlooks and it takes time sometimes for the media to catch up. 

[arnie_uk]

My talent board would be

Jaylon Smith

Bosa

Tunsil

Hargreaves

Ramsey

Right now.

Order of preference

Bosa

Hargreaves

Tunsil

Ramsey

Smith

[sflegend89]

You never know Pees could be in Ozzie's ear saying if he only had Nkemdiche his unit would be complete

 

Hopefully Ozzie would be in Pees' ear informing him that he won't be the DC of the Baltimore Ravens in 2016 so he doesn't care about his draft preferences.

[nishadrahman13]

I think Desmond King would definitely be better in off coverage. I'd be interested in seeing him at safety, although I'd need to see it before pulling the trigger thinking he will fit that role.

Edited December 15, 2015 by nishadrahman13

[JoeyFlex5]

So, Walter football is a source I've grown to appreciate, they avoid media hype on prospects and look at it from a scouting point of view unlike the typical analyst, and they have mentioned rumors that pro scouts aren't very high on the Clemson guys, that many scouts have day2 grades on Shaq Lawson, Kearse, and Alexander. Can't definitively call it a reliable source, but it's an interesting thought. I always had a 2nd round grade on Lawson but I think very highly of Kearse and Alexander, and if those 3 fall to the 2nd they would all be in my top5 most likely

[Willbacker]

Any word on this Scooby Wright. Looked like quite the player and we need horses on D. Possible 2nd rd maybe? This could also go in the double dip thread.

[BmoreBird22]

So, Walter football is a source I've grown to appreciate, they avoid media hype on prospects and look at it from a scouting point of view unlike the typical analyst, and they have mentioned rumors that pro scouts aren't very high on the Clemson guys, that many scouts have day2 grades on Shaq Lawson, Kearse, and Alexander. Can't definitively call it a reliable source, but it's an interesting thought. I always had a 2nd round grade on Lawson but I think very highly of Kearse and Alexander, and if those 3 fall to the 2nd they would all be in my top5 most likely

Kearse is a late first, early second round guy to me, but Matt Miller has spoken to area scouts that think Lawson is a top 15 lock.

As for Alexander, they point to a lack of interceptions as a cause for concern

[52520Andrew]

Kearse is a late first, early second round guy to me, but Matt Miller has spoken to area scouts that think Lawson is a top 15 lock.

As for Alexander, they point to a lack of interceptions as a cause for concern

Lack of ints is only a concern to me either if he is dropping easy ones or he gets targeted a lot. Otherwise it isn't a big deal for me

[JoeyFlex5]

Any word on this Scooby Wright. Looked like quite the player and we need horses on D. Possible 2nd rd maybe? This could also go in the double dip thread.

I don't see him doing good at the next level, real work horse but he is slow, uncoordinated, stiff, has no reach, bad angles, I just don't think he's gonna make it at the next level. He might be good goal line gap plugging but that's all I see him doing honestly

[JoeyFlex5]

Kearse is a late first, early second round guy to me, but Matt Miller has spoken to area scouts that think Lawson is a top 15 lock.

As for Alexander, they point to a lack of interceptions as a cause for concern

there have been mixed reviews on Lawson, I think he's a 2nd day guy at best, he's not built for that modern nfl and is all Clemson hype. I think he'll be solid but he'll never live up to top 15 stock, he doesn't have the explosiveness to produce what a top 15 edge rusher needs to. Alexander is very young and doesn't get targeted. He has shown no evidence of ball skills because he has been so sound in coverage. I like him as much as hargreaves value wise. I'd

[Willbacker]

I don't see him doing good at the next level, real work horse but he is slow, uncoordinated, stiff, has no reach, bad angles, I just don't think he's gonna make it at the next level. He might be good goal line gap plugging but that's all I see him doing honestly

Seemed pretty good to me but I'm sure I was out of control saying 2nd rd plus how good is New Mexico lol but I didn't see no missed tackles,the angles seemed good and the fire was there and that's what we need is some tenacious,dirty,hardworking guys to put some teeth back into this defense plus I believe he OLB(possibly ILB) that could learn for a year.

[JoeyFlex5]

Seemed pretty good to me but I'm sure I was out of control saying 2nd rd plus how good is New Mexico lol but I didn't see no missed tackles,the angles seemed good and the fire was there and that's what we need is some tenacious,dirty,hardworking guys to put some teeth back into this defense plus I believe he OLB(possibly ILB) that could learn for a year.

he doesn't miss tackles but he is always noticeably lagging behind a bit and ends up chasing guys down rather them hitting them and making strong tackles, with faster guys I think he gets exposed. He's got the fire for sure, no questions there, but sadly I think that only brings you so far. He's actually projected in the late first but I wouldn't touch him till round 3 even if ilb was a real need Edited December 20, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[Drew P]

Seemed pretty good to me but I'm sure I was out of control saying 2nd rd plus how good is New Mexico lol but I didn't see no missed tackles,the angles seemed good and the fire was there and that's what we need is some tenacious,dirty,hardworking guys to put some teeth back into this defense plus I believe he OLB(possibly ILB) that could learn for a year.

 

No doubt about it. The film doesn't lie. Thats what they need is football players not combine/pro day risers.

[JoeyFlex5]

No doubt about it. The film doesn't lie. Thats what they need is football players not combine/pro day risers.

but if you watch the film on scooby, you see a slow player who is always caught chasing players from behind, isnt that what all 11 of our starters currently do? wouldnt you rather have someone who can beat a receiver to the ball? someone who can sniff out the screen before they turn the corner? someone who can get in the backfield in a hurry rather than someone who needs to bullrush and shimmy their way in there while the qb gets off the pass with ease? 

 

you may not want combine risers, but not every player with strong combine numbers is a bad player. this defense is absolutely desperate for some speed on the perimeters and on the back end, and some explosiveness up front. scooby wright would be a step in the wrong direction

[Drew P]

but if you watch the film on scooby, you see a slow player who is always caught chasing players from behind, isnt that what all 11 of our starters currently do? wouldnt you rather have someone who can beat a receiver to the ball? someone who can sniff out the screen before they turn the corner? someone who can get in the backfield in a hurry rather than someone who needs to bullrush and shimmy their way in there while the qb gets off the pass with ease? 

 

you may not want combine risers, but not every player with strong combine numbers is a bad player. this defense is absolutely desperate for some speed on the perimeters and on the back end, and some explosiveness up front. scooby wright would be a step in the wrong direction

 

He isn't a first rounder mind you. He's blue collar all the way probably a Zach Thomas type. If he's there at the top of round three why the hell not take a flier on him?

[JoeyFlex5]

He isn't a first rounder mind you. He's blue collar all the way probably a Zach Thomas type. If he's there at the top of round three why the hell not take a flier on him?

because he has had first round hype since last season and still has first round hype. 

 

id take a 3rd round flier on the guy in a heartbeat, but the odds of him being there are slim to none, there are teams out there that have the exact opposite problem that we have and too much finesse and could use a thumper and he is widely regarded as a late first guy for those teams. we need some speed on this team and another run stopping specialist would just be adding more of what is hurting this defense.

[Drew P]

because he has had first round hype since last season and still has first round hype. 

 

id take a 3rd round flier on the guy in a heartbeat, but the odds of him being there are slim to none, there are teams out there that have the exact opposite problem that we have and too much finesse and could use a thumper and he is widely regarded as a late first guy for those teams. we need some speed on this team and another run stopping specialist would just be adding more of what is hurting this defense.

 

They need a guy that can stop a TE on third down whether its a hybrid safety/LB like Deone B. i dont care but its an area that been exploited by teams with ease. Clearly CJ cant do it and Will's instincts are 50/50 at best.

[JoeyFlex5]

They need a guy that can stop a TE on third down whether its a hybrid safety/LB like Deone B. i dont care but its an area that been exploited by teams with ease. Clearly CJ cant do it and Will's instincts are 50/50 at best.

Scooby won't be shutting down any te's at the next level lol. If he does I will make Jim irsay my avatar

[Drew P]

Scooby won't be shutting down any te's at the next level lol. If he does I will make Jim irsay my avatar

 

Well i dont know i cant predict the future but the Ravens must address that glaring weakness.

[JoeyFlex5]

Well i dont know i cant predict the future but the Ravens must address that glaring weakness.

I agree, Scooby Wright wouldn't do that though lol

[DomMcRaven]

I agree, Scooby Wright wouldn't do that though lol

Other from Jack and Smith, are there any other ILBs that could address this weakness?

[RaineV1]

Other from Jack and Smith, are there any other ILBs that could address this weakness?

There's Antonio Morrison from Florida. He's a bit undersized and would be like the safety/ILB hybrids you see some teams using. But he's tough, has good instincts, great burst, has great intensity, and would be pretty solid covering TEs and RBs in the open field.

 

Here's a good article on him: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-gators/swamp-things-blog/os-gators-antonio-morrisons-comeback-20151010-post.html I especially like the ending of it:

 

Meanwhile, Morrison does not see all the fuss for doing his job.

 

Morrison’s come-back might inspire McElwain and his teammates, but this Chicago native expected nothing less of himself.

 

“I don’t think it’s a story,” he said. “You get injuries in football. Guys come back from injuries. That’s all I did. I’m just here to win, man.

 

“I just want to win.”

Edited December 21, 2015 by RaineV1

[DomMcRaven]

There's Antonio Morrison from Florida. He's a bit undersized and would be like the safety/ILB hybrids you see some teams using. But he's tough, has good instincts, great burst, has great intensity, and would be pretty solid covering TEs and RBs in the open field.

 

Here's a good article on him: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-gators/swamp-things-blog/os-gators-antonio-morrisons-comeback-20151010-post.html I especially like the ending of it:

Really good story indeed thanks. Seems to me that he's got Raven written all over him. My kind of guy right here. Where is he projected?

[allblackraven]

Other from Jack and Smith, are there any other ILBs that could address this weakness?

My favourite LB for Ravens is Darron Lee (Buckeyes). He is straight up beast, would fit as a drop-in replacement for Smith. Yes, he can cover, too.

[JoeyFlex5]

Other from Jack and Smith, are there any other ILBs that could address this weakness?

not that I could think of, but admittedly I know nothing about this class of ilb's aside from the big 4, being Jack, Smith, ragland, and Wright.

[JoeyFlex5]

But if we're referring to a player who can eliminate the TE, a guy I've become enamored with and would love to see us trade up from our 2nd for, is jayron Kearse, 6'5" and a natural free safety, he isn't just some box enforcer because of his size, he really has great deep and intermediate coverage skills and even appears to be a bit of a ballhawk, while also being a great attack dog. Strangely, I may want him for us more than Ramsey, I think he fits more of what we need and with less red flags

[Drew P]

But if we're referring to a player who can eliminate the TE, a guy I've become enamored with and would love to see us trade up from our 2nd for, is jayron Kearse, 6'5" and a natural free safety, he isn't just some box enforcer because of his size, he really has great deep and intermediate coverage skills and even appears to be a bit of a ballhawk, while also being a great attack dog. Strangely, I may want him for us more than Ramsey, I think he fits more of what we need and with less red flags

 

I agree. He passes the eye test and can move. I cant see why he wouldn't be there in round 2 but the safety position is in high demand

[RaineV1]

Really good story indeed thanks. Seems to me that he's got Raven written all over him. My kind of guy right here. Where is he projected?

He's projected as a midround pick by CBS, but he could move up into the third round with a good combine showing.

[Cillmatic]

He's projected as a midround pick by CBS, but he could move up into the third round with a good combine showing.

I've seen him being taken in the first round. This is a tricky draft to predict.

[DomMcRaven]

But if we're referring to a player who can eliminate the TE, a guy I've become enamored with and would love to see us trade up from our 2nd for, is jayron Kearse, 6'5" and a natural free safety, he isn't just some box enforcer because of his size, he really has great deep and intermediate coverage skills and even appears to be a bit of a ballhawk, while also being a great attack dog. Strangely, I may want him for us more than Ramsey, I think he fits more of what we need and with less red flags

Yeah I was only talking about ILBs, but I'd be more than happy to expand to safeties as well.

 

Does he have an early 2nd round projection?

Edited December 21, 2015 by DomMcRaven