Too Early 2016 Prospect Watch

[allblackraven]

Truth be tbh, with this injury to Joe and after watching Goff against Stanford last night, I could be more at peace with picking him if that's the route we went with. I'd still rather Stanley or Tunsil or someone, or better yet I'd rather trade back a little way for a hatful of picks, but I could come to terms with picking Goff if that's what we did.

It's probably still too early, even after Joe's injury.

[PurpleCity5]

It's probably still too early, even after Joe's injury.

Yeah, I'm not in favor in picking a QB right now, I still prefer Bosa over anyone at the moment. I think Joe has a plenty more years left and we have more than enough time to pick one up by the time he hangs it up. 

[Sami84]

Yeah, I'm not in favor in picking a QB right now, I still prefer Bosa over anyone at the moment. I think Joe has a plenty more years left and we have more than enough time to pick one up by the time he hangs it up. 

 

the only team that would have a reason to pick bosa and have a chance to have a worse record than us are the titans.

[allblackraven]

Yeah, I'm not in favor in picking a QB right now, I still prefer Bosa over anyone at the moment. I think Joe has a plenty more years left and we have more than enough time to pick one up by the time he hangs it up. 

We aren't in a position to go after quality O linemen too often - this year we will be and we should be desperate for one after what happened today.

[Ravens2343]

We aren't in a position to go after quality O linemen too often - this year we will be and we should be desperate for one after what happened today.

 

I agree.  It will be really difficult to pass up on someone like Bosa or Hargreaves, but Tunsil or Stanley could dramatically improve the offense on their own.  Free agency will tell a lot in which direction the franchise is looking at, but pairing a potential franchise left tackle with Yanda is something the Ravens really need to consider.

 

Bosa, Hargreaves or Ramsey would be great also though

[PurpleCity5]

I'm inching closer to Stanley/Tunsil, I cannot stand it when Hurst has to sub in for Monroe. Its an awful thing to see, I won't blame him for Joe's injury but goodness he got man-handled on that play. Every time he's in it seems like the pocket just collapses. 

 

I honestly don't know what it is with Monroe's durability problems. He's missing so many games in the past few seasons and continues to miss games. Not even counting the games in which he had to exit, it seems like it has been a reoccurring theme.

 

Still, my preference is Bosa, and if he's gone then my guy is "Big Rob" Nkemdiche. He's best fit as a 4-3 DT, but I still think he's a great talent. 

[Ravens2343]

I'm inching closer to Stanley/Tunsil, I cannot stand it when Hurst has to sub in for Monroe. Its an awful thing to see, I won't blame him for Joe's injury but goodness he got man-handled on that play. Every time he's in it seems like the pocket just collapses. 

 

I honestly don't know what it is with Monroe's durability problems. He's missing so many games in the past few seasons and continues to miss games. Not even counting the games in which he had to exit, it seems like it has been a reoccurring theme.

 

Still, my preference is Bosa, and if he's gone then my guy is "Big Rob" Nkemdiche. He's best fit as a 4-3 DT, but I still think he's a great talent. 

 

I was against Tunsil/Stanley this whole season until today's game.  I have no idea what Monroe's problem has been lately, especially since he had no injuries problems in Jacksonville.  Hurst seems to have really regressed from last year (not saying much) and we really need to upgrade the swing tackle spot and most likely LG.  Tunsil/Stanley would fill a huge need on this team, but there will be quality guys available in rounds 2-3 that can help us tremendously.  Bosa, Hargreaves or Ramsey would be my preference at the top if we do not go LT.

[GrimCoconut]

I can't believe Monroe is injured this much. I'm not sure what's happened to him. He was fine in Jacksonville and then he came here. It's ridiculous. I'm not crying for a new LT but I think we could certainly use one. I wouldn't mind Tunsil or Stanley and prefer them to Nkemdiche; however, I also am not sure about LT being a safe pick. There hasn't been a great LT in years. That was supposed to be Kalil and even he has regressed big time since he was a rookie.

[PurpleCity5]

I was against Tunsil/Stanley this whole season until today's game.  I have no idea what Monroe's problem has been lately, especially since he had no injuries problems in Jacksonville.  Hurst seems to have really regressed from last year (not saying much) and we really need to upgrade the swing tackle spot and most likely LG.  Tunsil/Stanley would fill a huge need on this team, but there will be quality guys available in rounds 2-3 that can help us tremendously.  Bosa, Hargreaves or Ramsey would be my preference at the top if we do not go LT.

I don't know, it's two seasons, so maybe we should wait until next season. It's been an injury riddled season for the whole team. Maybe it's Hurst awful play that has me grasping for a LT. Maybe I'm just exaggerating and it's just a problem that he'll get fixed up soon. He still has another season to prove himself since he's virtually un-trade-able. 

[PurpleCity5]

I can't believe Monroe is injured this much. I'm not sure what's happened to him. He was fine in Jacksonville and then he came here. It's ridiculous. I'm not crying for a new LT but I think we could certainly use one. I wouldn't mind Tunsil or Stanley and prefer them to Nkemdiche; however, I also am not sure about LT being a safe pick. There hasn't been a great LT in years. That was supposed to be Kalil and even he has regressed big time since he was a rookie.

Yeah I can understand the concerns. I don't want to blow this first round pick. I want to get a great player, I hope we do. This doesn't happen often for us. 

[Inqui]

It's probably still too early, even after Joe's injury.

Taking Goff would still be my distinct third preference - behind trading back for a glut of picks, and taking one of the other top-tier players - but the past 24 hours has me warmer to the idea than I was before.

[Cillmatic]

Monroe's damaged goods, he's just unlucky in B'more. I say draft a LT and if Monroe is healthy just put the LT at LG.

[Inqui]

I can't believe Monroe is injured this much. I'm not sure what's happened to him. He was fine in Jacksonville and then he came here. It's ridiculous. I'm not crying for a new LT but I think we could certainly use one. I wouldn't mind Tunsil or Stanley and prefer them to Nkemdiche; however, I also am not sure about LT being a safe pick. There hasn't been a great LT in years. That was supposed to be Kalil and even he has regressed big time since he was a rookie.

As opposed to a "fire Ozzie if he keeps neglecting LT" stance, I've been more about taking the chance to upgrade at LT if the chance arises - and I'm going to stick with that. Having those two on the board will give us a rare chance to find our best OT since Ogden, and as much as we need defensive playmakers as well I think it'd be madness and stupidity to not give Stunsil/Tanley a fair shake. I know he's been getting injured a lot, but personally I'm still shelving Monroe in the "could be worse" desk. If we prefer Bosa, Kim D (I've made my take on him clear), Ramsey or VH3 we can still be a contender with Monroe if needs be.

 

I hear you about the lack of great LTs coming into the league recently, but if it means anything Notre Dame's becoming quite the OL factory.

[thieverycorporation]

Now I'm look at the O line too. lol

 

Where does it stop. 

[Ravens2343]

I don't know, it's two seasons, so maybe we should wait until next season. It's been an injury riddled season for the whole team. Maybe it's Hurst awful play that has me grasping for a LT. Maybe I'm just exaggerating and it's just a problem that he'll get fixed up soon. He still has another season to prove himself since he's virtually un-trade-able. 

 

You are right that Monroe is virtually untradeable, which puts the Ravens in a very tough spot.  We could pass on a LT in round one and pick up a quality guard in rounds 2-4 and look for a swing tackle in those rounds as well.  Having the ability to trade comp picks will help us tremendously, especially since we are "projected" to get two 4ths and a 5th.  Maybe the Ravens will look to sign a veteran swing tackle in free agency, but they need to upgrade a few spots on the o-line. 

 

Monroe will probably get one more year though which I hope he stays healthy because he is an above average LT when healthy.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm inching closer to Stanley/Tunsil, I cannot stand it when Hurst has to sub in for Monroe. Its an awful thing to see, I won't blame him for Joe's injury but goodness he got man-handled on that play. Every time he's in it seems like the pocket just collapses. 

 

I honestly don't know what it is with Monroe's durability problems. He's missing so many games in the past few seasons and continues to miss games. Not even counting the games in which he had to exit, it seems like it has been a reoccurring theme.

 

Still, my preference is Bosa, and if he's gone then my guy is "Big Rob" Nkemdiche. He's best fit as a 4-3 DT, but I still think he's a great talent. 

ive seen an article highlighting him as a natural 2-gap DE at the next level, and showing examples of him playing the 5-tech and dominating with an unstoppable stack-and-shed and a rip move that makes linemen cry, its impressive. but after joes injury and watching so many missed sacks, im now tied between bosa and stanley/tunsil

[PurpleCity5]

ive seen an article highlighting him as a natural 2-gap DE at the next level, and showing examples of him playing the 5-tech and dominating with an unstoppable stack-and-shed and a rip move that makes linemen cry, its impressive. but after joes injury and watching so many missed sacks, im now tied between bosa and stanley/tunsil

Oh man, Nkem would be a beast there. Though I still believe he could be a great 4-3 DT, I also believe he would be a beast there as well.

My peference is Bosa, I still think we can use a edge rusher reguardless though he is best fit as a 4-3 DE, I still believe hes the best player in this class.

Im also leaning towards Tunsil time to time, I just want us to hit on this 1st which is why im going Bosa

[PurpleCity5]

You are right that Monroe is virtually untradeable, which puts the Ravens in a very tough spot. We could pass on a LT in round one and pick up a quality guard in rounds 2-4 and look for a swing tackle in those rounds as well. Having the ability to trade comp picks will help us tremendously, especially since we are "projected" to get two 4ths and a 5th. Maybe the Ravens will look to sign a veteran swing tackle in free agency, but they need to upgrade a few spots on the o-line.

Monroe will probably get one more year though which I hope he stays healthy because he is an above average LT when healthy.

Monroe, when healthy has played some good football. Seriously, you can tell he was working hard in the off-season to bounce back and I'll say he looks better, when healthy. Thats a problem, Monroe seems like a top 10 LT when healthy but when hes inactive it just hurts this team. I mean, what can you do if you're always hurt?

[Ravens2343]

Monroe, when healthy has played some good football. Seriously, you can tell he was working hard in the off-season to bounce back and I'll say he looks better, when healthy. Thats a problem, Monroe seems like a top 10 LT when healthy but when hes inactive it just hurts this team. I mean, what can you do if you're always hurt?

 

Like Flacco said its just the nature of the game and unfortunately for Monroe he has been unlucky with injuries this year.  If we had a better swing tackle missing Monroe for a game or two would not be a huge deal, so I don't think we necessarily have to pick a LT in round 1, but we should look to get someone in round 2-3 that can play in a pinch right away.  I just really hope the Ravens stay away from project type players this year and draft players who can step in right now and play if need be.  Robert Myers looks like a wasted pick unless a year on the practice squad learning from Castillo has helped him (lets hope so!)

[Ravens2343]

Yeah, I'm not in favor in picking a QB right now, I still prefer Bosa over anyone at the moment. I think Joe has a plenty more years left and we have more than enough time to pick one up by the time he hangs it up. 

 

I agree 100% no way we need to take a QB in round 1.  Flacco is only 30 years right now and look at guys like Brady, Brees and Rivers who are playing at a high level and are much older then him.  One guy I would not mind the Ravens looking at though if he slipped to round 3 is Christian Hackenberg from PSU.  He continues to drop down boards because of poor play and he could be the type of guy the Ravens develop and bring a long slowly.  I would be in favor of using our 3rd round pick on him if he were there.

[JoeyFlex5]

I think whatever side of the ball we address in the first, has to be addressed in the 2nd as well. I feel this team is so far gone on both sides of the ball that one pick won't make that one side competitive, and the best way to get the team back into the thick of thugs would be to make one side of the ball really strong. Taking tunsil and hoping for a Tyler Boyd in the 2nd would immediately give us a competitive offense, especially if perriman recovers and is at least the deep threat we want, Boyd, plus our TEs, with a strong run game, would make our short and intermediate offense strong, and with the threat of PA and an effective deep threat it would make it well rounded.

Taking bosa round 1, I think should be complimented with a db round 2, fuller, sutton, bell, and even if Myles jack were to fall it would be an excellent addition.

I'm just hoping for a double dip to give us something exciting to watch next year

[GrimCoconut]

I think whatever side of the ball we address in the first, has to be addressed in the 2nd as well. I feel this team is so far gone on both sides of the ball that one pick won't make that one side competitive, and the best way to get the team back into the thick of thugs would be to make one side of the ball really strong. Taking tunsil and hoping for a Tyler Boyd in the 2nd would immediately give us a competitive offense, especially if perriman recovers and is at least the deep threat we want, Boyd, plus our TEs, with a strong run game, would make our short and intermediate offense strong, and with the threat of PA and an effective deep threat it would make it well rounded.

Taking bosa round 1, I think should be complimented with a db round 2, fuller, sutton, bell, and even if Myles jack were to fall it would be an excellent addition.

I'm just hoping for a double dip to give us something exciting to watch next year

I actually agree. This is why I'm OK with trading back if it means we pick up a 2016 1st, 2016 2nd, 2017 1st. That haul would be a big deal for this team's future and would finally help us get back to where we were. Tunsil & Boyd would solve a lot of our problems, which could pay dividends on the defense to keep them off the field and our offense on the field. 

 

Then again, I really like Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey & Ogbah a ton, so those guys would also be a big deal for this team. I personally think Bell goes in the late-2nd or early 3rd, so I think he's very likely to be there with our late 3rd round pick. The first round of this draft is weak outside what I call the big-5 of Bosa, Tunsil, Hargreaves, Ramsey, & Stanley for our team. I'm not as high on Nkemdiche as others, but I do like him quite a bit. I need to watch more of him and I will soon. My stance may change on him. I see him in the same class atm as Ogbah, but I do like him a lot. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I actually agree. This is why I'm OK with trading back if it means we pick up a 2016 1st, 2016 2nd, 2017 1st. That haul would be a big deal for this team's future and would finally help us get back to where we were. Tunsil & Boyd would solve a lot of our problems, which could pay dividends on the defense to keep them off the field and our offense on the field. 

 

Then again, I really like Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey & Ogbah a ton, so those guys would also be a big deal for this team. I personally think Bell goes in the late-2nd or early 3rd, so I think he's very likely to be there with our late 3rd round pick. The first round of this draft is weak outside what I call the big-5 of Bosa, Tunsil, Hargreaves, Ramsey, & Stanley for our team. I'm not as high on Nkemdiche as others, but I do like him quite a bit. I need to watch more of him and I will soon. My stance may change on him. I see him in the same class atm as Ogbah, but I do like him a lot.

i like nkemdiche a ton, but now with our current predicament and with Monroe basically proving he is unreliable, I think we're done messing around with "potential" and ready to start pouncing on the kinds of players that will bring this team back in a hurry. We don't have the luxury of the long haul anymore and taking the BPA even though it's at a stacked position. I liked nkemdiche when there was still a glimmer of hope, but we can't afford that anymore, tunsil or bosa it is.

[GrimCoconut]

i like nkemdiche a ton, but now with our current predicament and with Monroe basically proving he is unreliable, I think we're done messing around with "potential" and ready to start pouncing on the kinds of players that will bring this team back in a hurry. We don't have the luxury of the long haul anymore and taking the BPA even though it's at a stacked position. I liked nkemdiche when there was still a glimmer of hope, but we can't afford that anymore, tunsil or bosa it is.

For me it's between Tunsil, Bosa, or Hargreaves. I know that's high for a CB but he's the best I've seen coming out since Revis and I know CBs. I think these three are the top-3 players in this draft class. Hargreaves is the best player at their position in this draft class, so from a talent perspective, I believe he's the best player in this class based on how well he plays his position compared to how well others play theirs. The problem is his position isn't valued for a high pick. I'm not sure it matters, though. 

 

I honestly don't care and I want a guy who can make plays. Tunsil can make plays by keeping Joe clean and healthy and giving him time to let our WRs get open. Bosa can make plays by turning the ball back over to our offense, sacking the QB, inflicting pain, etc. Hargreaves can make plays by playing sound coverage, playing opposite of Jimmy to improve the secondary as a whole, intercepting or fumbling the ball to return it to the offense, and even by helping with leadership and communication on the back-end. 

 

I want one of those guys. The problem is I also really want Ogbah. I think he's the best player we can get for a pass rusher. I actually want him more lately than Bosa. I wish we had two first round picks this year to take him and Hargreaves or Tunsil. 

[JoeyFlex5]

For me it's between Tunsil, Bosa, or Hargreaves. I know that's high for a CB but he's the best I've seen coming out since Revis and I know CBs. I think these three are the top-3 players in this draft class. Hargreaves is the best player at their position in this draft class, so from a talent perspective, I believe he's the best player in this class based on how well he plays his position compared to how well others play theirs. The problem is his position isn't valued for a high pick. I'm not sure it matters, though. 

 

I honestly don't care and I want a guy who can make plays. Tunsil can make plays by keeping Joe clean and healthy and giving him time to let our WRs get open. Bosa can make plays by turning the ball back over to our offense, sacking the QB, inflicting pain, etc. Hargreaves can make plays by playing sound coverage, playing opposite of Jimmy to improve the secondary as a whole, intercepting or fumbling the ball to return it to the offense, and even by helping with leadership and communication on the back-end. 

 

I want one of those guys. The problem is I also really want Ogbah. I think he's the best player we can get for a pass rusher. I actually want him more lately than Bosa. I wish we had two first round picks this year to take him and Hargreaves or Tunsil.

i begged you by accident, damn iPad.. But yeah I've leaned towards Hargreaves quite a bit myself, and I've always been a huge ogbah fan and unfortunately for us, he is now getting his deserved recognition, so he's out of reach, as I wouldn't even consider taking him over tunsil, bosa, Hargreaves, or even Ramsey,

[Ravens2343]

For me it's between Tunsil, Bosa, or Hargreaves. I know that's high for a CB but he's the best I've seen coming out since Revis and I know CBs. I think these three are the top-3 players in this draft class. Hargreaves is the best player at their position in this draft class, so from a talent perspective, I believe he's the best player in this class based on how well he plays his position compared to how well others play theirs. The problem is his position isn't valued for a high pick. I'm not sure it matters, though. 

 

I honestly don't care and I want a guy who can make plays. Tunsil can make plays by keeping Joe clean and healthy and giving him time to let our WRs get open. Bosa can make plays by turning the ball back over to our offense, sacking the QB, inflicting pain, etc. Hargreaves can make plays by playing sound coverage, playing opposite of Jimmy to improve the secondary as a whole, intercepting or fumbling the ball to return it to the offense, and even by helping with leadership and communication on the back-end. 

 

I want one of those guys. The problem is I also really want Ogbah. I think he's the best player we can get for a pass rusher. I actually want him more lately than Bosa. I wish we had two first round picks this year to take him and Hargreaves or Tunsil. 

 

If we land the #1 pick we could trade back to pick #4 or #5 and still get Hargreaves (depending who picks before us) and have the extra picks to trade back up into the middle-to-late part of the first round and have a shot at Ogbah.  I really like Ogbah as well and the fact he fits so well in a 3-4 scheme may help us in terms of him slipping a little in the draft.  I also really like Shaq Lawson at OLB, but he will probably go in the top 15 picks.  A trade back to get Hargreaves then a trade back up to get Ogbah would net us two immediate impact starters on this defense and would be a huge get. Its a huge dream at this point but depending on how the chips fall we could have that opportunity.  It would also allow us to have a pick in the 3rd and a few in the 4th to round out the wide receiver position and offensive line depth.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Ravens2343

[GrimCoconut]

If we land the #1 pick we could trade back to pick #4 or #5 and still get Hargreaves (depending who picks before us) and have the extra picks to trade back up into the middle-to-late part of the first round and have a shot at Ogbah. I really like Ogbah as well and the fact he fits so well in a 3-4 scheme may help us in terms of him slipping a little in the draft. I also really like Shaq Lawson at OLB, but he will probably go in the top 15 picks. A trade back to get Hargreaves then a trade back up to get Ogbah would net us two immediate impact starters on this defense and would be a huge get. Its a huge dream at this point but depending on how the chips fall we could have that opportunity. It would also allow us to have a pick in the 3rd and a few in the 4th to round out the wide receiver position and offensive line depth.

I'd really like your scenario to come to fruition. I wouldn't even be upset if we took Tunsil over Hargreaves but getting Ogbah and one of them would be massive boon to this team.

[PurpleCity5]

Like Flacco said its just the nature of the game and unfortunately for Monroe he has been unlucky with injuries this year. If we had a better swing tackle missing Monroe for a game or two would not be a huge deal, so I don't think we necessarily have to pick a LT in round 1, but we should look to get someone in round 2-3 that can play in a pinch right away. I just really hope the Ravens stay away from project type players this year and draft players who can step in right now and play if need be. Robert Myers looks like a wasted pick unless a year on the practice squad learning from Castillo has helped him (lets hope so!)

Im with you on that note, I don't want us to pick a LT, but I would understand it. My top 3 is currently Bosa, Hargreaves and Nkem at the moment.

[PurpleCity5]

I agree 100% no way we need to take a QB in round 1. Flacco is only 30 years right now and look at guys like Brady, Brees and Rivers who are playing at a high level and are much older then him. One guy I would not mind the Ravens looking at though if he slipped to round 3 is Christian Hackenberg from PSU. He continues to drop down boards because of poor play and he could be the type of guy the Ravens develop and bring a long slowly. I would be in favor of using our 3rd round pick on him if he were there.

Yeah Flacco isn't old and still has plenty of time left. Not to mention he can a cannon of an arm, Im not talking about the deep passes but rather the fact that he can put more zip on his throws. Look at Peyton, all his passes are ducks since arm-strength isn't his strong suit.

I think we have time to find a QB.

[JoeyFlex5]

schaubs primary job is this... 

 

play like he plays so we can lose out and pick first overall. 

 

if we get first overall i really hope we invest on the offense and take tunsil or trade back and take stanley, i dont see the value for bosa first overall, hes a 2nd or 3rd overall guy to me, and after seeing what james hurst does everytime he takes the field, i think we need to stop gambling with injured or horrible LT's.