Too Early 2016 Prospect Watch

[ravefan52]

Has anyone seen much of Missouri C Evan Boehm? Looks a little heavy-footed perhaps and he looks so-so in pass protection, but his run blocking is outright dominant. He's listed at 310, which you take with a pinch of salt but if it's true he's already heavier than Zuttah, and his wrestling background shows with his use of leverage. He's got the upper body strength to dominate and uses his legs to drive his man back. The Missouri RB can get like 4/5ypc running behind him.

Could be an interesting prospect for early day three, and just what we need for Trestman's inside running game.

I've seen every game of his this season. Really solid player, I'd love if we could take a chance on him in the middle rounds.

[JoeyFlex5]

I can't be the only one who thinks TCU Doctson can be our AJ Green? 

doctson is gonna fly up draft boards if he stays on pace this year and has a good combine. he may end up perfectly sandwiched between "reach" and "out of reach" for us

[Inqui]

I've seen every game of his this season. Really solid player, I'd love if we could take a chance on him in the middle rounds.

Yeah, I think he could be that kind of upgrade on Zuttah we could really use, without throwing too much at the position.

[GrimCoconut]

I watched quite a bit of Emmanuel Ogbah and that guy's a beast! I definitely like him better than the Georgia pass rushers. He kinda reminds me of Suggs with his explosiveness. He's definitely more explosive than my boy Nassib.

Edited October 31, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[PurpleCity5]

I watched quite a bit of Emmanuel Ogbah and that guy's a beast! I definitely like him better than the Georgia pass rushers. He kinda reminds me of Suggs with his explosiveness. He's definitely more explosive than my boy Nassib.

I like Ogbah a lot as well, I think he could benefit staying another year. I would really like him in the 2nd round.

[GrimCoconut]

I like Ogbah a lot as well, I think he could benefit staying another year. I would really like him in the 2nd round.

Yeah..I think he could sneak into the first with how teams value OLB. His first step is beautiful.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

We could probably get him in the 2nd round. I like Doctson but I would rather have Boyd or Coleman over him. If Boyd slips to the 2nd round then I think he would be a great fit for us, he is an excellent route runner and has good hands.

Another Pitt prospect I like for us would be James Conner. Assuming he recovers from his season ending injury what would you guys think of him in the 4th round? If healthy I would have had him as a low 2nd or high 3rd pick but he could slip due to his injury. He would replace Taliaferro as our big back

I doubt he comes out this year honestly. He's still only 20 and with narduzzi leading the team in a great direction I think he stays.

[Stevin]

guys, what do you think about the Striker? can a player like him be productive in the NFL?

[JoeyFlex5]

I watched quite a bit of Emmanuel Ogbah and that guy's a beast! I definitely like him better than the Georgia pass rushers. He kinda reminds me of Suggs with his explosiveness. He's definitely more explosive than my boy Nassib.

hes one of my favorites for the 2nd round. he strikes me as having the potential to be a complete OLB rather than a pass rush specialist. i hope he doesnt rise because id hate to see us miss out on him because he pushes himself to late first status

[allblackraven]

hes one of my favorites for the 2nd round. he strikes me as having the potential to be a complete OLB rather than a pass rush specialist. i hope he doesnt rise because id hate to see us miss out on him because he pushes himself to late first status

 

If he doesn't do something stupid, I believe he is mid-late 1st. I like the way he plays.

[RaineV1]

What do you guys think of Deon Bush, the FS from Miami University? He seems to be solid in coverage and a real enforcer. Kinda reminds me of Brian Dawkins. And he does one thing in particular very well, he forces fumbles. Now that's something the Ravens could use. Could be a great guy to get somewhere in the draft if the Ravens don't take Ramsey.

[BmoreBird22]

I wasn't a big fan of Leonard Floyd last year, but I had reserved judgement because I hadn't gotten to see too many Georgia games this year, and zero in full. I felt it was unfair to dish out judgement and thoughts without actually watching some current games, but my opinion is largely unchanged and that is that this board vastly overrates him. 

 

The player that I immediately think of when I watch how he's used and when I just look at him is Dion Jordan. A long, lean player who is used at ROLB, LOLB, ILB, and even at SCB. He's got serious versatility, and that'll push him up boards, but he'll go higher than he should because of that. Honestly, he screams Patriots to me, but as a second round pick. 

 

When I watch him as a run defender, I can only think that he'd be best served as a weak side defender when he's asked to run down the play from the backside, not play at the point of attack. I find his ability to stack and shed defenders pretty bad and when blockers get inside his pads, he's likely not getting out of their grasp. He often plays too high due to his height and just invites blockers into his pads and subsequently to take him out of the play. 

 

As a pass rusher, same deal. He plays too upright and will get blocked out because once a defender gets his hands on him, he doesn't have a wide variety of moves, or even a real rip move, to disengage. He doesn't have a great swim move, club, and his spin move was hardly used. He won because he had amazing quickness and speed. I mean, the guy is really fast (no surprise when he's covering slot receivers), but speed will only get you so far. The few times I saw him effectively pressure the quarterback, he either beat his guy off the edge and just hardly got touched, or, more commonly, he faked outside, jumped inside, then swatted away the hands and found himself in a very quick line to the quarterback. No surprise, he was pretty effective on well set up loops where he could get inside very quickly and slip past the guard before they had a chance to react. 

 

I didn't see someone with a good array of pass rushing moves and I saw someone who will struggle immensely to take on blockers at the point of the attack. He primarily won with speed and quickness. If the Ravens took him, they'd be in trouble because he's 6'3" and like 225-230. For comparison, Doom is 5'11 and 260. Terrell Suggs, who is the same height, is about 260, 265. It's not going to be easy to ask him to add, and keep on, 30-40 pounds of weight and keep his speed and explosion. If he were drafted to the Ravens, I'd see him as an ILB, but he'd probably struggle way too much taking on guards in the running game, but he'd probably be a fairly effective interior blitzed where he can use his quickness and speed to delay a blitz and slip past defenders before they have a true chance to engage. 

[Ravens2343]

guys, what do you think about the Striker? can a player like him be productive in the NFL?

 

I think he is undersized to play OLB for us and I am not sure how he would fare as an ILB.  He will probably be a weakside OLB for a 4-3 team if anything.  If he bulks up and adds weight he could interest us, but probably not until atleast the 4th round, his teammate Charles Tapper is a better fit for us.

[GrimCoconut]

I agree regarding Leonard Floyd. I'm just not a fan.

[Dubs]

I wasn't a big fan of Leonard Floyd last year, but I had reserved judgement because I hadn't gotten to see too many Georgia games this year, and zero in full. I felt it was unfair to dish out judgement and thoughts without actually watching some current games, but my opinion is largely unchanged and that is that this board vastly overrates him. 

 

The player that I immediately think of when I watch how he's used and when I just look at him is Dion Jordan. A long, lean player who is used at ROLB, LOLB, ILB, and even at SCB. He's got serious versatility, and that'll push him up boards, but he'll go higher than he should because of that. Honestly, he screams Patriots to me, but as a second round pick. 

 

When I watch him as a run defender, I can only think that he'd be best served as a weak side defender when he's asked to run down the play from the backside, not play at the point of attack. I find his ability to stack and shed defenders pretty bad and when blockers get inside his pads, he's likely not getting out of their grasp. He often plays too high due to his height and just invites blockers into his pads and subsequently to take him out of the play. 

 

As a pass rusher, same deal. He plays too upright and will get blocked out because once a defender gets his hands on him, he doesn't have a wide variety of moves, or even a real rip move, to disengage. He doesn't have a great swim move, club, and his spin move was hardly used. He won because he had amazing quickness and speed. I mean, the guy is really fast (no surprise when he's covering slot receivers), but speed will only get you so far. The few times I saw him effectively pressure the quarterback, he either beat his guy off the edge and just hardly got touched, or, more commonly, he faked outside, jumped inside, then swatted away the hands and found himself in a very quick line to the quarterback. No surprise, he was pretty effective on well set up loops where he could get inside very quickly and slip past the guard before they had a chance to react. 

 

I didn't see someone with a good array of pass rushing moves and I saw someone who will struggle immensely to take on blockers at the point of the attack. He primarily won with speed and quickness. If the Ravens took him, they'd be in trouble because he's 6'3" and like 225-230. For comparison, Doom is 5'11 and 260. Terrell Suggs, who is the same height, is about 260, 265. It's not going to be easy to ask him to add, and keep on, 30-40 pounds of weight and keep his speed and explosion. If he were drafted to the Ravens, I'd see him as an ILB, but he'd probably struggle way too much taking on guards in the running game, but he'd probably be a fairly effective interior blitzed where he can use his quickness and speed to delay a blitz and slip past defenders before they have a true chance to engage. 

 

well stated and I completely agree. I have not fully understood the love affair for him by many and I do not think I would touch him at any point in the first round. He is not a very complete player to me and will need to be extremely well schemed to take advantage of the physical gifts he has....there are several guys on the edge I would prefer over him like Nassib, Shaq Lawson, Ngakoue, Ogbah, and probably more as the season goes on...One thing I like about the Ravens, Patriots and Giants is their love affair with size in the front 7, Floyd seems opposite of what we usually covet.

Edited November 2, 2015 by Dubs

[JoeyFlex5]

well stated and I completely agree. I have not fully understood the love affair for him by many and I do not think I would touch him at any point in the first round. He is not a very complete player to me and will need to be extremely well schemed to take advantage of the physical gifts he has....there are several guys on the edge I would prefer over him like Nassib, Shaq Lawson, Ngakoue, Ogbah, and probably more as the season goes on...One thing I like about the Ravens, Patriots and Giants is their love affair with size in the front 7, Floyd seems opposite of what we usually covet.

while this is all very true, the NFL is changing, and we are now officially behind the curve. we have an embarrassing lack of speed in our defense, and it is most apparent in the pass rush, we have big bodies on the line, but we just need that speed on the edge. most teams have a guy who can blast off the line and into the backfield, we dont, and it allows teams to beat us with the quick passes and dumpoffs with ease. i have soured on floyd a bit but i still like him, and think he could add 15 lbs and be fine, our beefshields up front can do alot to keep him mobile and he would bring a dimension to our defense that we desperately need. 

 

floyd is a trade back target though, in no way should we target floyd anywhere close to the top 12, if we can manage a really nice trade back into the mid first like around 16 then he is a great value there, but i would only wanna trade back that far if we are getting a kings ransom. 

 

grim has put me on to nassib and im a fan, and i would prefer him over floyd. but my late first-early second mancrush at OLB is still ogbah, huge fan of his and the prototype ravens OLB

[PurpleCity5]

I'll admit, I used to be a fan of Leonard Floyd, but I've soured on him. He just doesn't have the size to compete against physical offensive linemen. I don't even consider him as a top ten pick at all. I think he has value in a 4-3 given his athleticism and his ability as a pass rusher. I just don't think he has the size to be a fit here. I like Ogbah better.

Edited November 3, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[VeiledPsychosis]

This doesn't seem to be the draft to look for a Suggs/Doom replacement, its a weak 3-4 OLB class in my opinion. Unless we trade back considerably I don't see us taking one in the first. I think we'll take an OLB later but I doubt high, just isn't the class for it.

 

I know "ANYTHING BUT A BAMA PLAYER!" but I'm liking what I'm seeing from Jonathan Allen

Edited November 3, 2015 by VeiledPsychosis

[GrimCoconut]

Floyd is someone I wanted to like but I just can't get into his game. I don't like him at all for us. As others said, I'd much prefer other pass rushers to him.

[RaineV1]

With them benching Kaepernick and trading Davis, it seems like the 49ers are in full rebuild mode. The Ravens have a tie breaker with him for getting a higher pick. Wonder if they'll be the team trying to trade up for Goff or Lynch? After giving them Boldin and Torrey going there, I wouldn't mind grabbing an extra 1st round pick and some 2nd rounders from them.

[Ravens2343]

This doesn't seem to be the draft to look for a Suggs/Doom replacement, its a weak 3-4 OLB class in my opinion. Unless we trade back considerably I don't see us taking one in the first. I think we'll take an OLB later but I doubt high, just isn't the class for it.

 

I know "ANYTHING BUT A BAMA PLAYER!" but I'm liking what I'm seeing from Jonathan Allen

 

I don't think we will find a replacement in the top half of the first, but there are quite a few prospects who could help us out at OLB.

 

Emmanuel Ogbah and Shaq Lawson are two guys who could be really good fits for us if we traded back up into the bottom of the first or they somehow slipped to the top of the second.  Later round prospects could be Carl Lawson, Charles Tapper, Noah Spence or Devonte Fields. 

[allblackraven]

I believe Emmanuel Ogbah is underrated around here. In this class he's at worst late teens pick.

[GrimCoconut]

I believe Emmanuel Ogbah is underrated around here. In this class he's at worst late teens pick.

He's really good right? I love watching that guy almost as much as Nassib and maybe more lately. He's a really good prospect. I'll be thrilled with Ogbah.

[allblackraven]

He's really good right? I love watching that guy almost as much as Nassib and maybe more lately. He's a really good prospect. I'll be thrilled with Ogbah.

Definitely. I had him on my radar since that Seminoles game last year. Reminds me so much of Suggs. I think he is capable of being 3 down OLB in our 34. I like that he continues to improve every year.

 

Incidentally, watching Ogbah in Texas Tech game I noticed TT left tackle Le'Raven Clark - he might be interesting guy to look at on day 2. Apparently started at RG and played well, then moved to LT exclusively. Needs to lower his stance little bit and probably get little stronger but very good in pass protection. Huge name value as well.

Edited November 3, 2015 by allblackraven

[JoeyFlex5]

I believe Emmanuel Ogbah is underrated around here. In this class he's at worst late teens pick.

not really, hes been a favorite of mine for a while and ive seen his name floating around quite a bit. 

 

someone said earlier that we wont find a suggs replacement this year, but i absolutely see a very similar player in ogbah, extreemely high character, natural leader, great motor, high iq, good decision making on field, and he is just the prototype OLB for us across the board, has all the size and athleticism and strength that we look for and still has tons of room to grow considering he just began playing recently and already looks well developed for his lack of experience

[JoeyFlex5]

Definitely. I had him on my radar since that Seminoles game last year. Reminds me so much of Suggs. I think he is capable of being 3 down OLB in our 34. I like that he continues to improve every year.

 

Incidentally, watching Ogbah in Texas Tech game I noticed TT left tackle Le'Raven Clark - he might be interesting guy to look at on day 2. Apparently started at RG and played well, then moved to LT exclusively. Needs to lower his stance little bit and probably get little stronger but very good in pass protection. Huge name value as well.

if youre looking for a day 2 tackle, check out germain ifedi from AM, i think hes practically a failsafe stonewall LT in pass protection but his run blocking is in question at the next level because he gets reckless with his hands when hes pushing, he literally mauls and ends up whiffing his hands on occasion, but definite starting LT material, he may be my number 1 guy in round 2

[allblackraven]

if youre looking for a day 2 tackle, check out germain ifedi from AM, i think hes practically a failsafe stonewall LT in pass protection but his run blocking is in question at the next level because he gets reckless with his hands when hes pushing, he literally mauls and ends up whiffing his hands on occasion, but definite starting LT material, he may be my number 1 guy in round 2

Yep, he's definitely on my list. So many players, so little spare time.

[Stevin]

I like Ogbah too. it will be a pretty good variety of DE/OLB in the draft and it's good for us. if we miss one , we can take another

[usmccharles]

He's really good right? I love watching that guy almost as much as Nassib and maybe more lately. He's a really good prospect. I'll be thrilled with Ogbah.

Just watched some of his tape.  Where are people expecting him to be drafted?

[JoeyFlex5]

Just watched some of his tape.  Where are people expecting him to be drafted?

right now hes typically projected early 2nd, sandwiched between calhoun and ogbah, but he very well could end up a late first