Too Early 2016 Prospect Watch

[GrimCoconut]

Free safety for this team isn't an issue that needs to be addressed in the top 10 picks. We already have competent safeties.

We do???

[Clmraven]

The more Games I see the more I think we need to focus on defense in the draft. If we really are drafting high Vernon Hargreaves is my guy reminds me of OBJ but on defense, I like Ramsey as a safety but if it came down to those 2 I'd pick Hargreaves 10 times out of 10.

[RaineV1]

For defenders that play with that Ray Lewis, JJ Watt type attitude, there's Robert Nkemdiche. Yeah, he's a d-lineman and we don't need that, but like Watt he's an athletic freak that plays with attitude and is very, very good at getting to the qb. Other than him, there's Jaylon Smith and Laquon Treadwell that I think have that kind of fire.

[ravefan52]

I think it's pretty likely we'll go defense in the 1st. Obviously we won't pass up an elite offensive player just because he plays offense, but last time we saw the defense start to slip Ozzie went that side of the ball the first three rounds in back to back drafts. I don't think that was all a coincidence. And now our defense is even worse than before with huge current and future needs.

We just took a WR in the 1st for the first time in forever, the chances we do that again are very low considering our history. I think it's more likely we bet on Perriman and sign a vet WR. OT is more of luxury and would take one falling way further than they should which doesn't usually happen with the position. So I'd guess we probably draft defense early and often. And I could honestly see us go any position on defense.

Edited October 13, 2015 by ravefan52

[Ravens2343]

I think it's pretty likely we'll go defense in the 1st. Obviously we won't pass up an elite offensive player just because he plays offense, but last time we saw the defense start to slip Ozzie went that side of the ball the first three rounds in back to back drafts. I don't think that was all a coincidence. And now our defense is even worse than before with huge current and future needs.

We just took a WR in the 1st for the first time in forever, the chances we do that again are very low considering our history. I think it's more likely we bet on Perriman and sign a vet WR. OT is more of luxury and would take one falling way further than they should which doesn't usually happen with the position. So I'd guess we probably draft defense early and often. And I could honestly see us go any position on defense.

 

I see us going pass rusher, corner or wide receiver in the first round.  Obviously anything can happen until then but our #1 priority should be to get a dominant pass rusher, preferably from that OLB spot.  There will be good corners available in rounds 2-4.  The only two wide receivers I would consider right now drafting high are Treadwell and Thomas.  I would be shocked if we didn't draft defense in the first 2 rounds with how badly we are lacking playmakers on that side of the ball

[PurpleCity5]

Free safety for this team isn't an issue that needs to be addressed in the top 10 picks. We already have competent safeties.

I disagree, the only good safety we have is Will Hill. 

[52520Andrew]

We do???

Yeah besides Will Hill who is more of a SS, who do we have at FS who is competent?

[JoeyFlex5]

my board strictly talent wise: 

1) Bosa 

2) Stanley 

3) Nkemdiche 

4) Ramsey 

5) Floyd 

6) Goff 

7) Jaylon Smith

8) Treadwell 

9) Hargreaves  

10) Tunsil

 

board based on the Ravens right now: 

1) Bosa 

2) Stanley 

3) Ramsey 

4) Floyd  

5) Treadwell 

6) Hargreaves 

7) Nkemdiche 

8) Tunsil 

 

nkemdiche has a very lean frame and is an athletic freak, if it were possible(and if he is willing to do so) to switch to OLB for our system, then he would fly up my board, but i just think taking a DT would be burning away a pick on a luxury that we cant afford. i think ramsey is the type of player this team desperately needs, but any team who passes on bosa or stanley would have a hard time doing so, and the ravens simply wouldnt do such a thing if we end up top 3 and one of them fell to us, nor should they.

Edited October 14, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Yeah besides Will Hill who is more of a SS, who do we have at FS who is competent?

No one proven, but I'd give the guy back there a chance at least. 

 

I'd take Nkemdiche. It's a quintessential Ozzie pick. People will call for him to be fired like they did with CJ and when he turns into a beast people will shut up. May not be a need but he does make the defense better. 

 

And no. He would be a 3-4 end rather than a OLB, 

 

I'd take Bosa and Floyd over him but that's. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd take Nkemdiche. It's a quintessential Ozzie pick. People will call for him to be fired like they did with CJ and when he turns into a beast people will shut up. May not be a need but he does make the defense better. 

 

And no. He would be a 3-4 end rather than a OLB, 

 

I'd take Bosa and Floyd over him but that's. 

i dont think anyone was calling for ozzies head after mosley lol, at least nobody who knew what they were talking about, i personally was upset with the pick because at the time, i thought matt elam was gonna be good if only he could stay at SS and i also had the logic that we drafted arthur brown and signed daryl smith long term and it appeared that FS was our only concern on defense and HHCD was our guy, but i wasnt overreacting because i knew just how good mosley was. 

 

also, picking at 17th overall, and picking in the top 10 for the first time since 07(and not needing a qb), is a biiiig difference, picking at top 10 for this team you basically cant afford to go pure luxury BPA, you gotta address one of the things that is keeping your team from competing, and DT simply isnt one of those things. i know it would be hard for ozzie to pass him up, but man would it make me mad knowing we passed on floyd or ramsey for another DT which is already our strongest unit by far.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

Where do you think Zach Sanchez from Oklahoma goes? 

[Cillmatic]

Bosa's overrated.

That is all.

[JoeyFlex5]

cillmatic be on the draft forums like 

[Ravens2343]

Where do you think Zach Sanchez from Oklahoma goes? 

 

Late 2nd round would be my guess.  He has played pretty well this year so far and is a very willing tackler for a smaller cornerback. There are quite a bit of corners I would rather have them him though

[Cillmatic]

cillmatic be on the draft forums like

All day

[ravensnick]

Where do you think Zach Sanchez from Oklahoma goes? 

I think he should stay in school. I have a second day grade on him, but he is a guy that could be a first round talent if he works out the kinks. He is just way too inconsistent in his play. He'll make a wonderful play and a horrible screw up in the same drive. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by ravensnick

[ravensnick]

my board strictly talent wise: 

1) Bosa 

2) Stanley 

3) Nkemdiche 

4) Ramsey 

5) Floyd 

6) Goff 

7) Jaylon Smith

8) Treadwell 

9) Hargreaves  

10) Tunsil

 

board based on the Ravens right now: 

1) Bosa 

2) Stanley 

3) Ramsey 

4) Floyd  

5) Treadwell 

6) Hargreaves 

7) Nkemdiche 

8) Tunsil 

 

nkemdiche has a very lean frame and is an athletic freak, if it were possible(and if he is willing to do so) to switch to OLB for our system, then he would fly up my board, but i just think taking a DT would be burning away a pick on a luxury that we cant afford. i think ramsey is the type of player this team desperately needs, but any team who passes on bosa or stanley would have a hard time doing so, and the ravens simply wouldnt do such a thing if we end up top 3 and one of them fell to us, nor should they.

Nkemdiche is a lot like clowney to me. Great athletic talent and shows good play in college, but not truly dominant. 1st pick athleticism and he has his moments, but he does not produce at a high level consistently.  

[ravefan52]

Nkemdiche is a lot like clowney to me. Great athletic talent and shows good play in college, but not truly dominant. 1st pick athleticism and he has his moments, but he does not produce at a high level consistently.  

I've only seen his Bama tape, but he was so dominant in that game. Is he inconsistent from game to game? We probably won't have a chance to draft him, but if we do I would just hope we would use him correctly. Keeping him strictly at the 5tech seems like it would be a huge waste. He made so plays in the interior.

Edited October 16, 2015 by ravefan52

[ravensnick]

I've only seen his Bama tape, but he was so dominant in that game. Is he inconsistent from game to game? We probably won't have a chance to draft him, but if we do I would just hope we would use him correctly. Keeping him strictly at the 5tech seems like it would be a huge waste. He made so plays in the interior.

He did a very nice game vs. Bama and has been better this year. But the previous two years, I kept seeing a physical gifted specimen who played solidly but not anything mindblowingly good.  

Edited October 16, 2015 by ravensnick

[JoeyFlex5]

Nkemdiche is a lot like clowney to me. Great athletic talent and shows good play in college, but not truly dominant. 1st pick athleticism and he has his moments, but he does not produce at a high level consistently.  

 

He did a very nice game vs. Bama and has been better this year. But the previous two years, I kept seeing a physical gifted specimen who played solidly but not anything mindblowingly good.  

so youre telling me that a raw athlete was inconsistent as an underclassmen but by his senior year he seemed to get more refined and suddenly his game became consistently dominant? man, he sounds like a future bust. 

 

cmon man ur better than that lol, you were one of my preferred posters for this years draft season!

[RaineV1]

I'd be willing to roll the dice on a top level athlete that needs to work on his technique a bit since we have a great defensive line coach. Plus, I remember that the same thing was said about Ngata (great athlete, dominant at times, but inconsistent). On pure passing downs Nkemdiche could probably even play as the outside linebacker, essentially in Doom's role.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd be willing to roll the dice on a top level athlete that needs to work on his technique a bit since we have a great defensive line coach. Plus, I remember that the same thing was said about Ngata (great athlete, dominant at times, but inconsistent). On pure passing downs Nkemdiche could probably even play as the outside linebacker, essentially in Doom's role.

i didnt like the thought of a DT at first, but after watching more on nkemdiche i started to picture him lined up at DE then sliding to OLB and rushing on passing downs, seems like he could be very effective, at his size and level of athleticism he has the bulk for DE and the burst for edge rush as he is. i think he would turn our pass rush from nonexistent to tops in the league and he would be a cornerstone. that guy learning under clarence brooks is a scary thought

[ravensnick]

so youre telling me that a raw athlete was inconsistent as an underclassmen but by his senior year he seemed to get more refined and suddenly his game became consistently dominant? man, he sounds like a future bust. 

 

cmon man ur better than that lol, you were one of my preferred posters for this years draft season!

It's just a personal opinion. I am in no way saying that Ndemkiche isn't a top 5 worthy selection (just like how clowney was a surefire top 5 selection despite his flaws). He is too athletic too slide at all. I also understand that his position affects his stats. I'm just noting a couple hesitations. If we had an opportunity to draft whereever we end up (unless Bosa, Stannely, or Jaylon Smith is still on the board), I would gamble on his upside. 

[ravefan52]

i didnt like the thought of a DT at first, but after watching more on nkemdiche i started to picture him lined up at DE then sliding to OLB and rushing on passing downs, seems like he could be very effective, at his size and level of athleticism he has the bulk for DE and the burst for edge rush as he is. i think he would turn our pass rush from nonexistent to tops in the league and he would be a cornerstone. that guy learning under clarence brooks is a scary thought

Nkemdiche would probably slide inside to DT on passing downs, not to OLB. But I agree Clarence Brooks could do some amazing things with him.

[JoeyFlex5]

It's just a personal opinion. I am in no way saying that Ndemkiche isn't a top 5 worthy selection (just like how clowney was a surefire top 5 selection despite his flaws). He is too athletic too slide at all. I also understand that his position affects his stats. I'm just noting a couple hesitations. If we had an opportunity to draft whereever we end up (unless Bosa, Stannely, or Jaylon Smith is still on the board), I would gamble on his upside. 

you would take jaylon smith over nkemdiche?

[ravensnick]

you would take jaylon smith over nkemdiche?

Definitely. Jaylon Smith is a very special player in my books, regardless of his position, which doesn't typical go that high. 

[PurpleCity5]

I'm not sure Jaylon Smith is a fit for us unless he puts on some muscle or we switch schemes. I know we play a hybrid 3-4/4-3 scheme but we need an edge rusher badly. We're a slow team and Smith would help give us some speed on the defensive side of the ball, you'd have to convert him to an ILB here and I wouldn't want to use a top ten pick on an ILB. Not he biggest need on the team. 

Edited October 17, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[JoeyFlex5]

Definitely. Jaylon Smith is a very special player in my books, regardless of his position, which doesn't typical go that high.

i don't see him as a fit for us tbh. I LOVE him as a player, but I just feel that it would be the first very high pick we've had in years, and it would be wasted on an ILB, no matter how good he is I just don't see it as a logical choice, plus I'm just not sure that what he does meshes with ou philosophy on defense, he's pretty skinny, and has a lot of speed and instinct but I'm just not sold that he can hold up in the run game, if he goes and plays a traditional 4-3OLB role on a team with a good front seven, then he will be a stud, I just don't know about him as a 3-4ILB. And I know our run d doesn't really need help and we need to improve our coverage, but improving pass defense starts with the secondary and pass rush, you don't say "our pass defense is atrocious so we need an ILB to fix that" and this is just one of those cases. We would be stagnating as a defense f we took a ILB Edited October 17, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[PurpleCity5]

IMO, this isn't a good draft for edge rushers which sucks in our case. If we're picking top 10 I don't see us selecting one at all, I like Leonard Floyd but I question his size. He's a natural pass rusher but he's got to get his size up. I'm fully aboard the Jalen Ramsey bandwagon. I see him as a do-it-all kind of guy, he's a defensive back. He can line up anywhere, really love his game. I really would like to see us make a move for Hargreaves as well.

Edited October 17, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

i don't see him as a fit for us tbh. I LOVE him as a player, but I just feel that it would be the first very high pick we've had in years, and it would be wasted on an ILB, no matter how good he is I just don't see it as a logical choice, plus I'm just not sure that what he does meshes with ou philosophy on defense, he's pretty skinny, and has a lot of speed and instinct but I'm just not sold that he can hold up in the run game, if he goes and plays a traditional 4-3OLB role on a team with a good front seven, then he will be a stud, I just don't know about him as a 3-4ILB. And I know our run d doesn't really need help and we need to improve our coverage, but improving pass defense starts with the secondary and pass rush, you don't say "our pass defense is atrocious so we need an ILB to fix that" and this is just one of those cases. We would be stagnating as a defense f we took a ILB

That's exactly how I feel. If we hired Jim Shwartz and made the full switch to a 4-3 then I would be fine with it, but we could be picking in the top ten and I wouldn't want to use that pick on a guy like Jaylon Smith. Smith would be a beast 4-3 OLB, but not in our system where we are in desperate need of an edge rusher, it wouldn't be a good fit IMO unless we convert him to a ILB and I wouldn't want to use our top ten pick on that position. 

Edited October 17, 2015 by PurpleCity5