Too Early 2016 Prospect Watch

[GrimCoconut]

Looking back at the film, Bosa's not as good as people think. I just don't see it.

What makes you say that?

[JoeyFlex5]

Looking back at the film, Bosa's not as good as people think. I just don't see it.

you baffle me at times man. 

 

half the time you sound like a very informed and educated football fan, other times you almost seem like youre trolling...

[Sami84]

Looking back at the film, Bosa's not as good as people think. I just don't see it.

 

dude..i like you..you stick up for me. But that is asinine . Bosa is legit game wrecker. He's only just turned 21. He;s polished..sets edge..rushes passer..causes havoc..barring injury he's going to be a great player

[Cillmatic]

dude..i like you..you stick up for me. But that is asinine . Bosa is legit game wrecker. He's only just turned 21. He;s polished..sets edge..rushes passer..causes havoc..barring injury he's going to be a great player

Can I get some more game film links? I watched the Oregon, and Michigan tape. Don't know about him. Liked the Hawaii tape. Just think players like Ramsey and Boyd would fit our needs more. Edited September 29, 2015 by Cillmatic

[BmoreBird22]

Can I get some more game film links? I watched the Oregon, and Michigan tape. Don't know about him. Liked the Hawaii tape. Just think players like Ramsey and Boyd would fit our needs more.

If we're going receiver, we better Treadwell. A way more explosive Anquan Boldin

[Sami84]

Can I get some more game film links? I watched the Oregon, and Michigan tape. Don't know about him. Liked the Hawaii tape. Just think players like Ramsey and Boyd would fit our needs more.

 

Ramsey would be a good choice..

 

But with suggs aging and injured..(same with doom) we don't have a guy that can wreck havoc on the front line. That changes with Bosa. This is a passing league..you need to get to the QB.

 

Bosa has no weakness. He's athletic..high motor destroys screens..reads plays and gets to the QB.He will make everyone else on the D line better.

 

We can upgrade the secondary in FA. Prince Akanamura etc..

[GrimCoconut]

Ramsey would be a good choice..

But with suggs aging and injured..(same with doom) we don't have a guy that can wreck havoc on the front line. That changes with Bosa. This is a passing league..you need to get to the QB.

Bosa has no weakness. He's athletic..high motor destroys screens..reads plays and gets to the QB.He will make everyone else on the D line better.

We can upgrade the secondary in FA. Prince Akanamura etc..

Besides, Bosa would let us replace Upshaw who shouldn't return unless he comes dirt cheap. He offers no pass rush. I'm tired of people pointing to his hit on Big Ben as an indication he can rush the passer.

[Sami84]

Besides, Bosa would let us replace Upshaw who shouldn't return unless he comes dirt cheap. He offers no pass rush. I'm tired of people pointing to his hit on Big Ben as an indication he can rush the passer.

 

yup!

[Baltimore RAYvens]

CBS just came out with a mock (way too early to count for anything) that had the top 3 corners off the board, and us taking Zeke Elliot at the 13th pick with Treadwell and Myles Jack still on the board.

 

I'd rather have either of the of the other two over zeke. Out of those 3 who would you rather have?

[GrimCoconut]

CBS just came out with a mock (way too early to count for anything) that had the top 3 corners off the board, and us taking Zeke Elliot at the 13th pick with Treadwell and Myles Jack still on the board.

I'd rather have either of the of the other two over zeke. Out of those 3 who would you rather have?

Is Ramsey still on the board?

I'd prefer Treadwell.

[Inqui]

Is Ramsey still on the board?

I'd prefer Treadwell.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25319637/nfl-mock-draft-goff-goes-from-the-golden-bears-to-chicago-bears

They had Ramsey going at 4 to the Saints. Ouch.

Though for what (little) it's worth, Matt Miller currently has him going at 18 to the Chiefs. So yeah, you never know until the Commissioner announces his name.

Edited September 29, 2015 by Inqui

[Baltimore RAYvens]

Is Ramsey still on the board?

I'd prefer Treadwell.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25319637/nfl-mock-draft-goff-goes-from-the-golden-bears-to-chicago-bears

 

They have Ramsey going at 4, HG3 at 11 and Fuller at 12

[DomMcRaven]

Any particular prospect I should pay attention at UCF? Definitely been disappointed with this team so far.

[hn68wb4]

I'd be really upset if we went RB in round 1. Could've lived with Gurley last year but this year I'm not particularly high on Elliott and I'm still iffy on Henry. With as many needs as we have I don't think RB is particularly high on the list, especially looking at all the great players still on the board in the CBS mock. Would much rather have Boyd or Treadwell, not to mention a good CB or even a lineman (I hope not but better than a RB, someone to replace Yanda or Monroe down teh road would be good), really don't want a RB in the first. Next years RB class will be much better with Chubb and Fournett

Edited September 29, 2015 by hn68wb4

[hn68wb4]

If we're taking any RB I want it to be Kenneth Dixon from La Tech, kid is a monster

[JoeyFlex5]

if we pass on treadwell for anyone, it better be ramsey or hargreaves, and i think even the latter would be a horrible decision. 

 

if we pass on treadwell for zeke elliott who i think is nothing more than a product, then i will join those who are calling for ozzies head, thankfully ozzie is not an idiot and would never do something that stupid.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

if we pass on treadwell for anyone, it better be ramsey or hargreaves, and i think even the latter would be a horrible decision.

if we pass on treadwell for zeke elliott who i think is nothing more than a product, then i will join those who are calling for ozzies head, thankfully ozzie is not an idiot and would never do something that stupid.

I would take Leonard Floyd over Treadwell. I like Treadwell don't get me wrong. I like Floyd more. Just my opinion though.

[JoeyFlex5]

I would take Leonard Floyd over Treadwell. I like Treadwell don't get me wrong. I like Floyd more. Just my opinion though.

i love leonard floyd, one of my favorite prospects and my top edge guy, but not only do i think wr is a bigger need, but i think treadwell is a better talent, better value, and a safer bet. floyd is an incredible sack artist and he plays a pretty well rounded game, but his 220 lb frame does concern me when considering what types of OLB we typically use. does that mean id pass on him? nahh, would still take floyd in a heartbeat, unless ramsey or treadwell were on the board. 

 

EDIT: just realized what i said in the quote lol, floyd is one of my guys and i just forgot to type his name since we were caught up in db's and wr's.

Edited September 30, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

i love leonard floyd, one of my favorite prospects and my top edge guy, but not only do i think wr is a bigger need, but i think treadwell is a better talent, better value, and a safer bet. floyd is an incredible sack artist and he plays a pretty well rounded game, but his 220 lb frame does concern me when considering what types of OLB we typically use. does that mean id pass on him? nahh, would still take floyd in a heartbeat, unless ramsey or treadwell were on the board. 

 

EDIT: just realized what i said in the quote lol, floyd is one of my guys and i just forgot to type his name since we were caught up in db's and wr's.

I don't care about the weight thing. I was concerned about CJ's weight too. Floyd can flat out play. I like Treadwell don't get me wrong. I would be very happy. But edge rusher is a significant need for us. Perriman has the potential to be a #1 WR. I think he's gonna reach his ceiling. I was sure about it with Mosley and I'm sure about it with Perriman(wasn't too sure with Elam even though I did like him) We can find a number two later on. I think our TE duo more than compensates for that. But we need another rusher. I would take back to back rushers in this draft if it came to it. One 3-4 DE to rotate in while we shift Carl to NT on 3rd down, and a edge setting LB who can get to the QB. 

 

There are three things you need to have a successful football team. 

1. A QB that's good enough

2. Good play in the trenches. We lack that defensively.

3. An identity. 

 

Seattle won a SB with Doug Baldwin as their best WR. They almost won another with him AGAIN. You don't necessarily need a multitude of good WRs to win a Sb. 

 

We may need a WR. But we are desperate for a pass rusher. And Floyd plays like one of us

[allblackraven]

i love leonard floyd, one of my favorite prospects and my top edge guy, but not only do i think wr is a bigger need, but i think treadwell is a better talent, better value, and a safer bet. floyd is an incredible sack artist and he plays a pretty well rounded game, but his 220 lb frame does concern me when considering what types of OLB we typically use. does that mean id pass on him? nahh, would still take floyd in a heartbeat, unless ramsey or treadwell were on the board. 

 

EDIT: just realized what i said in the quote lol, floyd is one of my guys and i just forgot to type his name since we were caught up in db's and wr's.

I definitely don't agree need wise. There's just no way anything will be more important than pass rush next year (I'm assuming Perriman's knee will reboot by then).

[hn68wb4]

I definitely don't agree need wise. There's just no way anything will be more important than pass rush next year (I'm assuming Perriman's knee will reboot by then).

We'll most definitely end up taking a wideout next year so who really knows. I agree that rusher will be a bigger need barring some FA acquisition, but I wouldn't be upset if Treadwell is taken over Floyd, although I like Boyd better than Treadwell tbh.

[JoeyFlex5]

well my logic on this is... look at our receivers now, subtract steve and add perriman. youre back to square one except with more speed, and thats IF perriman lives up to his stock. 

 

i also think that our defensive front seven, even without a speed rusher, is much better off than our wr corps, and i will say the same next year, i think a FS and a change in defensive philosophy regarding the secondary is what the defense needs. an edge rusher would absolutely be a huge boon, but no amount of edge rush is gonna help when the guy who is supposed to lead the secondary doesnt know his assignment. 

 

that, paired with the fact that we no longer seem to be able to run the ball, makes me think we need to invest on offense. hopefully we can fix the run game woes, but if we cant, then we will be hurting without weapons. 

 

a lesser wr id agree that we pass on for an edge rusher, but treadwell i believe is special. also about the weight thing, our ilbs can be underweight in a 3-4, the objective is for them to flow freely with big bodies up front, but in our defense, our OLB needs to able to handle his matchup on a regular basis, which means he has to hold up in the run game while facing OT's solo, i just dont know how i feel about investing a very high pick on a guy who could possibly end up rotational. like i said i love floyd and dont think it will be the case, but there is a risk when youre talking about a 220lb linebacker.

[JoeyFlex5]

We'll most definitely end up taking a wideout next year so who really knows. I agree that rusher will be a bigger need barring some FA acquisition, but I wouldn't be upset if Treadwell is taken over Floyd, although I like Boyd better than Treadwell tbh.

i like boyd as well, a lot as a matter of fact, but i think treadwell just seems to be in a class of his own. i personally like to compare boyd and travin dural since i think they are more in the same class.

[hn68wb4]

i like boyd as well, a lot as a matter of fact, but i think treadwell just seems to be in a class of his own. i personally like to compare boyd and travin dural since i think they are more in the same class.

I don't see any comparison of Boyd and Dural, Dural is a league below both of them. I'm not trying to compare Boyd to Treadwell, I mean clearly they're two different players with different strengths. Boyd is better after the catch but Treadwell is better after contact, I feel comfortable saying their hands are about equal, Boyd's got the edge in speed but Treadwell has better radius. Of course any way you look at it its close and it wouldn't surprise me if both were gone by the time we pick.

 

But we'll get a good look at both next week with Boyd taking on Fuller and Treadwell taking on Hargreaves

Edited September 30, 2015 by hn68wb4

[hn68wb4]

If Daryl retire and we are looking for another ILB if only to fill out the roster, Tyler Matakevich from Temple is seriously impressing, great instincts and is a natural in coverage and pretty darn good against the run. Someone to look for.

[GrimCoconut]

No joke, I think we may even trade up for a pass rusher. People may think I'm crazy but Steve Biscotti wanted a pass rusher this draft and with our struggles, I am certain he will pound the table for one. If we finish with a bad record, I wouldn't be at all shocked if we make a big trade (by our accounts, I'm not talking throwing around multiple first round picks here) to move up some spots to get a guy that the team covets. 

 

OLB is a greater need than WR, and I honestly think we will take an OLB unless he's not BPA. At that point, I'd expect we take a safety or an OL before taking a WR unless we're entirely convinced by Treadwell. 

 

If you recall, the team was pretty adamant about WRs being found later in the draft. If Perriman comes back and shows up well, this is going to die down fast. We will likely take the same conservative route and sign a veteran FA WR & get a mid-round WR (maybe as high as 2nd round, depends) but I don't think we'll go WR in the first unless it's just by far BPA. Bosa, Ramsey, & others we haven't considered yet would need to be off the board first IMO to make WR the top pick. It's possible, don't misunderstand me, but I can see this coming a mile away. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't see any comparison of Boyd and Dural, Dural is a league below both of them. I'm not trying to compare Boyd to Treadwell, I mean clearly they're two different players with different strengths. Boyd is better after the catch but Treadwell is better after contact, I feel comfortable saying their hands are about equal, Boyd's got the edge in speed but Treadwell has better radius. Of course any way you look at it its close and it wouldn't surprise me if both were gone by the time we pick.

 

But we'll get a good look at both next week with Boyd taking on Fuller and Treadwell taking on Hargreaves

yeah that will be 2 great matchups, i think treadwell just appears to be that #1 prototype receiver that teams dream of, the julio jones/dez bryant/aj green type with huge wingspan, vice grip hands, insane body control, and well rounded skillset. boyd and dural both strike me as about a tier below that, i see boyd alot like i see kevin white, i think theyre very comparable, with boyd being able to reach and highpoint and catch contested passes while still being a speed freak, and i think dural is more unique than the typical first round wr, he has an insane ability to gain separation through athleticism and sharpness, but he isnt much for the physicality and posting up and catching 50/50 balls like boyd is, i think they will have similar production though while treadwell is the guy thats posting 12-1500 a year like its easy.

[JoeyFlex5]

No joke, I think we may even trade up for a pass rusher. People may think I'm crazy but Steve Biscotti wanted a pass rusher this draft and with our struggles, I am certain he will pound the table for one. If we finish with a bad record, I wouldn't be at all shocked if we make a big trade (by our accounts, I'm not talking throwing around multiple first round picks here) to move up some spots to get a guy that the team covets. 

 

OLB is a greater need than WR, and I honestly think we will take an OLB unless he's not BPA. At that point, I'd expect we take a safety or an OL before taking a WR unless we're entirely convinced by Treadwell. 

 

If you recall, the team was pretty adamant about WRs being found later in the draft. If Perriman comes back and shows up well, this is going to die down fast. We will likely take the same conservative route and sign a veteran FA WR & get a mid-round WR (maybe as high as 2nd round, depends) but I don't think we'll go WR in the first unless it's just by far BPA. Bosa, Ramsey, & others we haven't considered yet would need to be off the board first IMO to make WR the top pick. It's possible, don't misunderstand me, but I can see this coming a mile away. 

i can fully respect those saying pass rusher is our biggest need, its hard to argue otherwise, but i just keep envisioning our wr corps without steve smith and man is it bleak, even if perriman is all that and a bag of chips, its still a bleak outlook. i have never, and never will, trust aiken or marlon brown as our #2, and i cant trust campanaro to stay healthy, and i highly doubt waller is ready to see significant snaps in year 2. 

 

same can be said about our pass rush, but im also starting to think that our defensive woes begin with pees and im not so sure a pass rusher can help our secondary when none of our db's know what theyre supposed to do lol. i personally think a true free safety is by far the top need, and wr/edge is 2a and 2b

[allblackraven]

well my logic on this is... look at our receivers now, subtract steve and add perriman. youre back to square one except with more speed, and thats IF perriman lives up to his stock. 

 

i also think that our defensive front seven, even without a speed rusher, is much better off than our wr corps, and i will say the same next year, i think a FS and a change in defensive philosophy regarding the secondary is what the defense needs. an edge rusher would absolutely be a huge boon, but no amount of edge rush is gonna help when the guy who is supposed to lead the secondary doesnt know his assignment. 

 

that, paired with the fact that we no longer seem to be able to run the ball, makes me think we need to invest on offense. hopefully we can fix the run game woes, but if we cant, then we will be hurting without weapons. 

 

a lesser wr id agree that we pass on for an edge rusher, but treadwell i believe is special. also about the weight thing, our ilbs can be underweight in a 3-4, the objective is for them to flow freely with big bodies up front, but in our defense, our OLB needs to able to handle his matchup on a regular basis, which means he has to hold up in the run game while facing OT's solo, i just dont know how i feel about investing a very high pick on a guy who could possibly end up rotational. like i said i love floyd and dont think it will be the case, but there is a risk when youre talking about a 220lb linebacker.

Our run game fix should be (and hopefully will be)  better blocking on the O line. TEs look good (even without Pitta), bound to get better. Perriman/Senior swap should hopefully leave WR side at status quo at least.

 

On the other hand - our edge rush is pretty much non-existent. Dumervil needs help on the other side to be effective, I'm guessing he'll need more of it next season. Suggs will be back but in what shape remains to be seen. Upshaw is FA, Smith should improve but who knows if he will. So not only will we need edge rusher but we are going to be short on edge setters, too.

 

I do think that we need better receivers generally but I highly doubt Ozzie will see it as a top priority or consider WR to be BPA in 1st round teens next year after just spending high picks on WR and TE. There's also pretty long list of serviceable UDFAs next off season at WR position that should be available for sane dollars.

 

I can almost see us spending (finally) on veteran(s) CB/FS/WR and going after DE/OLB and CB early.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If I were drafting today(I predict we're in the top 15), I'd go. 

 

 1. Leonard Floyd OLB, Georiga- Our biggest need and it's not even close. I don't care if he's small. So was Vic Beasley. And he put on weight and is pretty good. Floyd can do everything well especially rush the passer. Will he need to put on weight? Yes. Do I doubt his ability to do so at the NFL level? No. OLB is clearly our biggest need rn. Jimmy will get better with health, and it appears Webb will too. 

 

2. Jonathan Allen DE, Alabama- Yes. I am well aware that we have Davis, Jernigan, and Williams. I love all three. I think it's a great duo going forward. But what do we do a lot of the time? Rotate. And what do we oh so desperately need? Pass rusher. That's what Jonathan Allen is. When going in the middle, he cannot get much push vs a guard or the center. But when going against a tackle, he annihilates them. He gets tons of push. He would need some developing sure, but he does one thing now that'll translate to the NFL level. He can pin his ears back and fly. 

 

3. Sterling Shepard WR- He can flat out play. He runs good routes, has great hands, and can fly if he has to. I think he has every tool to be a capable #2 WR on the NFL level. 

Edited September 30, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN