Too Early 2016 Prospect Watch

[GrimCoconut]

I'd take Hargreaves in a second.  Teams didn't throw his way last year.  I won't say he's a sure lockdown guy or anything, but I think there's a very good chance that he's a very good pro.  I like that he's very developed for a CB as well.  You don't see that too often.

 

Ramsey is 2nd to me, but that's because I'm not sure if he wouldn't be a better option at FS.  I really like him at CB, but he's one that I want to evaluate through the season.  His talent will keep him up here regardless.  He's still a great CB though.  Saying he might be a better fit at FS is not meant to be a knock on him at all.

 

Kendall Fuller is a distant 3rd at this point.  I'm not sold on him yet.

I would love Hargreaves. I think he's so smooth and technically sound. With that said, his frame is a bit small so I get a bit worried there. Still, the guy looks great and I would love someone legit across from Jimmy. Webb is looking good for now, but who knows how long he lasts. Personally, I still think we need better communication, range, & ball skills on the back end. It continues to be a real problem for this team. Bad communication in the secondary is killing us.

[rmw10]

I would love Hargreaves. I think he's so smooth and technically sound. With that said, his frame is a bit small so I get a bit worried there. Still, the guy looks great and I would love someone legit across from Jimmy. Webb is looking good for now, but who knows how long he lasts. Personally, I still think we need better communication, range, & ball skills on the back end. It continues to be a real problem for this team. Bad communication in the secondary is killing us.

 

Yeah ideally he could put on a few more pounds.  I can't get over how fundamentally sound he is, though.  He reminds me a lot of Revis in that regard.  Revis might not be the most physically gifted or biggest guy out there, but his technique is so pristine that he can shut down anyone.  Early looks on Hargreaves have me believing he can be that type of guy.  I'm honestly not sure I've seen a more pro ready CB in quite awhile.

[Static]

I think an Average combine and measurables makes Hargreaves a mid to late 1st rounder depending on his production through out the rest of the CFB season. 

 

 

Also Grim, I've heard Ramsey is touted as a very inspiring leader and trash talker

Edited September 28, 2015 by Static

[rmw10]

I think an Average combine and measurables makes Hargreaves a mid to late 1st rounder depending on his production through out the rest of the CFB season.

 

See, I'm not looking too much at his production.  Teams don't throw his way very often, and he's not going to amount much statistical production, assuming that's what you meant.  I get that he may not be the biggest or fastest, but I have a hard time believing a guy as fundamentally sound and pro ready as him at such a premium position will last very long.  Most teams are looking for just about any capable body to step in at CB.  There's a deficiency across the league and I don't see teams letting a high floor player like him slip.

[Static]

See, I'm not looking too much at his production.  Teams don't throw his way very often, and he's not going to amount much statistical production, assuming that's what you meant.  I get that he may not be the biggest or fastest, but I have a hard time believing a guy as fundamentally sound and pro ready as him at such a premium position will last very long.  Most teams are looking for just about any capable body to step in at CB.  There's a deficiency across the league and I don't see teams letting a high floor player like him slip.

 

Production is producing results on the field. Him shutting down half the field is production. 

 

I suppose it just depends on the team but NFL teams are also notorious for drafting potential over production.

 

For example last year Trae Waynes was the first DB taken despite known technique problems.

 

Byron Jones was a 1st rounder simply because of his combine.

 

Kevin Johnson was pick 16 depsite being far and away the most polished technique wise.

 

Of course VH3 is a lot better than Kevin Johnson

[52520Andrew]

I would trade practically any player on the team to get Bosa. LOL that's how much I would want him at this point. There's a few I would clearly pass on, and i don't jump aboard the hype train easy. I never liked Clowney much, but I love what I see from Joey Bosa. That guy is a game changer. I couldn't agree more with Sami. He's a guy I would trade up to get if we could. Ramsey is a second choice but also a very good choice. We need a safety back there to change the game and him being a capable CB helps. 

 

Pretty much my thoughts

[rmw10]

Production is producing results on the field. Him shutting down half the field is production.

I suppose it just depends on the team but NFL teams are also notorious for drafting potential over production.

For example last year Trae Waynes was the first DB taken despite known technique problems.

Byron Jones was a 1st rounder simply because of his combine.

Kevin Johnson was pick 16 depsite being far and away the most polished technique wise.

Of course VH3 is a lot better than Kevin Johnson

That last statement is the difference. I thought Johnson was pretty developed, but he still had some issues. He didn't really face too much to talent at Wake Forest, either. Meanwhile, Hargreaves has faced some of the best, and over a 2 year period already.

I know they do go for potential, but you're getting both with Hargreaves. He's a guy that could come in and play right away, with the potential to develop into a #1 shutdown guy.

I don't even think his combine will be bad. He might not blow you away with his size or a fast 40, but he has tremendous athleticism and recovery speed.

[rmw10]

And yeah, Bosa is an absolute no brainer. Not many like him come along.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

We're not taking Bosa.. If we're going top 3 overall all hell would have to break lose(Flacco going down).

That said. I think if we do tank like many here predict, we go take Leonard Floyd. That guy is a stud. He's got coverage skills from his most recent tape and a burst that cannot be matched. Weight issues? Sure. But man can he play.

[JoeyFlex5]

We're not taking Bosa.. If we're going top 3 overall all hell would have to break lose(Flacco going down).

That said. I think if we do tank like many here predict, we go take Leonard Floyd. That guy is a stud. He's got coverage skills from his most recent tape and a burst that cannot be matched. Weight issues? Sure. But man can he play.

my realistic top prospects are(if we are as bad as we look and pick in the top 10).. 

1a. floyd 

1b. ramsey 

 

floyd is such a freak athlete and natural football player. he has great feel for snap timing, he has a jump like vic beasley with a very well rounded repertoire of pass rush moves, and incredible burst and flexibility, and you can just see how natural football is for him on tape, the guy can play the run, play the pass, set the edge, he runs ANY kind of blitz you can draw up to perfection, i am a huge fan of floyd.

[JoeyFlex5]

The versatility and ceiling of Ramsey gets me excited. Plus if we do end up winning a few games we could still get him.

 

His combine , which I expect him to destory , might rocket him out of our range.

he seems to project as a safety, at least in my opinion, i think putting him at cb is selling him short. 

 

those hybrid db's just dont seem to go very early. if a team is taking a db very early, theyre likely expecting a corner who can go 1-on-1 and eliminate the teams top receiver completely, the safety just isnt as valued as it once was.

[Clmraven]

I like what ive seen from FS Nate Gerry, good size and athleticism looks very solid in coverage, can't really find any thing on what round he's projected to go in if he declares though.

[PurpleCity5]

I would love Ramsey.

Sadly I don't see us being that bad.

I'll have to evaluate CBs more to see who we'll get, I like the talent here. This is a strong CB class so we should get someone good if we pick early.

I consider Ramsey and Treadwell locks for us to pick if they were to fall to us and we go top 15.

Edited September 28, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Dubs]

I would love Ramsey.

Sadly I don't see us being that bad.

I'll have to evaluate CBs more to see who we'll get, I like the talent here. This is a strong CB class so we should get someone good if we pick early.

I consider Ramsey and Treadwell locks for us to pick if they were to fall to us and we go top 15.

 

 

As of now these two are near the top of my board...Treadwell is a beast and he came back from his injury in better shape than what he was before, he looks slimmed down and quicker and still has that physicality that at some point may be up there with the Dez Bryants of the NFL world. I would have an extremely hard time passing him up for anyone and he is my no.1 for us. 

 

I really like the Cb depth too...Ramsey I prefer much more as a S and I think it would be a shame if someone drafts him as a CB mainly as I think it will loose out on some of his playmaking ability that is so impressive when he is between the hashes and shoulders parallel to the LOS. Just my thought on him...As for the CBs I love Hargreaves, Florida allows their CBs to peak inside at the QB a lot , which we do not do as much, but to me he plays that type of scheme extremely well. His ability to key in and break on balls reminds me a lot of Talib, in terms of how he watches the QB. But other aspects of his game seems more controlled like Revis. My favourite thing about him though is when he plants his foot to come out of his break he can beat a receiver to a point, that short explosion of his is crazy. If I were looking for a corner he would be my no.1 over Ramsey, but they offer different things. As for other CBs I like Cameron Sutton over Fuller at this point.

 

I have heard a lot of love for Leonard Floyd--I like him too but not sure I like his fit for what we ask of our Edge guys...Albeit he would be in a position with Suggs back next year that he would be a situational rusher. But I think we ask too much of our edge guys for him to be as successful as he could be. I don't like the idea of him setting an edge, I think he will be better suited in a more hybrid role like what Bruce Irvin plays in Seattle or Jamie Collins in NE...maybe if we have a new coordinator this would work well but as of now I am just not a huge fan of him for our team. On other teams I think he could flourish though. Bosa seems more like a scheme fit for what we usually do, won't say much as I don't think we have a shot, if we do yay. 

 

Nkemdiche has not been brought up but I think he should and could. Not sure how I feel about him, athletically he is a freak. But when you watch him there are so many questions. If you watch the LSU one from draft breakdown it is clear he gets pushed around inside rather easily. To me I think he is being used wrong at Ole Miss. I don't think he is an interior DL and I don't see him doing too well there. However, I think he could play the Edge on a team that asks him to set the edge and get upfield. Similar to how Mario Williams has been used in the past as an edge guy. I was adamantly against Mario in a 34 as an OLB but he proved me wrong big time, I think Nkemdiche would improve in on a team that uses him like Mario in Buffalo or Texans when in a 34. His strength and size may be a terror for OT. Not my highest rated guy but he may be an option on the edge. Atleast I think he is, not in the top 10 though or over the stud secondary guys. 

[hn68wb4]

leonard floyd looks like an absolute stud to me. i think hes a top 10 guy, and i think shilique calhoun is a late first/early 2nd, would love to see either of them, but preferably floyd. 

 

calhoun is more of a end, and floyd is more of a blue chip edge rusher, and what we have lacked for years and desperately need, is elite speed and burst in the edge rush, we have all the size and brute force in the world but cant get to anybody in time. 

hate that 220 lb frame though, maybe he can pull a Beasley going into the combine. I like his teammate Jenkins better, guy's a monster, don't know where he'll go but he's got prototypical size and great instincts.

 

I really like Calhoun, but the back end of the first would be the absolute highest I'd be willing to take him, If we are picking in the teens then I'll pass. Don't think he'll make it to our second pick.

Edited September 28, 2015 by hn68wb4

[hn68wb4]

You guys can go ahead and kiss the dream of Bosa goodbye, he's a top 3 pick and there's 0 chance we are trading into the top 3, not worth giving up multiple first rounder plus other picks. No need to mortgage the future for 1 player.

[Dubs]

Given this is a Baltimore Ravens forum, and some of you may be living in Baltimore or surrounding area anyone have any thoughts on Yannick Ngakoue, Edge, Maryland??

 

I rarely if ever get the chance to watch the Terps in Canada and there is nothing on the internet really to see. Thoughts on him or if you have watched him at all?

[52520Andrew]

You guys can go ahead and kiss the dream of Bosa goodbye, he's a top 3 pick and there's 0 chance we are trading into the top 3, not worth giving up multiple first rounder plus other picks. No need to mortgage the future for 1 player.

But we are going 0-16, we may even be able to trade down with a QB needy team and still get Bosa lol

[Robbo15]

Either Jack or Jaylon Smith could be great Daryl replacements.

how much money can we afford to invest in the mlb position ? I don't think we take a mlb high or at all brown will be alright next to c.j. next season

[Robbo15]

I would love Ramsey.

Sadly I don't see us being that bad.

I'll have to evaluate CBs more to see who we'll get, I like the talent here. This is a strong CB class so we should get someone good if we pick early.

I consider Ramsey and Treadwell locks for us to pick if they were to fall to us and we go top 15.

Treadwell would be a dream come true for me

[hn68wb4]

Any thoughts on where Trevone Boykin will be taken? we need a new backup and I like Boykin if he's mid to late rounds

[hn68wb4]

how much money can we afford to invest in the mlb position ? I don't think we take a mlb high or at all brown will be alright next to c.j. next season

Brown still hasn't shown he'll be "alright" as a starter, he's still struggling and if Daryl retires then its very likely we'll draft at least someone at some point in the draft. I doubt first rounder but 3rd round or later wouldn't surprise me at all

[Inqui]

But we are going 0-16, we may even be able to trade down with a QB needy team and still get Bosa lol

Solid work on the sig.

[PurpleCity5]

As of now these two are near the top of my board...Treadwell is a beast and he came back from his injury in better shape than what he was before, he looks slimmed down and quicker and still has that physicality that at some point may be up there with the Dez Bryants of the NFL world. I would have an extremely hard time passing him up for anyone and he is my no.1 for us. 

 

I really like the Cb depth too...Ramsey I prefer much more as a S and I think it would be a shame if someone drafts him as a CB mainly as I think it will loose out on some of his playmaking ability that is so impressive when he is between the hashes and shoulders parallel to the LOS. Just my thought on him...As for the CBs I love Hargreaves, Florida allows their CBs to peak inside at the QB a lot , which we do not do as much, but to me he plays that type of scheme extremely well. His ability to key in and break on balls reminds me a lot of Talib, in terms of how he watches the QB. But other aspects of his game seems more controlled like Revis. My favourite thing about him though is when he plants his foot to come out of his break he can beat a receiver to a point, that short explosion of his is crazy. If I were looking for a corner he would be my no.1 over Ramsey, but they offer different things. As for other CBs I like Cameron Sutton over Fuller at this point.

 

I have heard a lot of love for Leonard Floyd--I like him too but not sure I like his fit for what we ask of our Edge guys...Albeit he would be in a position with Suggs back next year that he would be a situational rusher. But I think we ask too much of our edge guys for him to be as successful as he could be. I don't like the idea of him setting an edge, I think he will be better suited in a more hybrid role like what Bruce Irvin plays in Seattle or Jamie Collins in NE...maybe if we have a new coordinator this would work well but as of now I am just not a huge fan of him for our team. On other teams I think he could flourish though. Bosa seems more like a scheme fit for what we usually do, won't say much as I don't think we have a shot, if we do yay. 

 

Nkemdiche has not been brought up but I think he should and could. Not sure how I feel about him, athletically he is a freak. But when you watch him there are so many questions. If you watch the LSU one from draft breakdown it is clear he gets pushed around inside rather easily. To me I think he is being used wrong at Ole Miss. I don't think he is an interior DL and I don't see him doing too well there. However, I think he could play the Edge on a team that asks him to set the edge and get upfield. Similar to how Mario Williams has been used in the past as an edge guy. I was adamantly against Mario in a 34 as an OLB but he proved me wrong big time, I think Nkemdiche would improve in on a team that uses him like Mario in Buffalo or Texans when in a 34. His strength and size may be a terror for OT. Not my highest rated guy but he may be an option on the edge. Atleast I think he is, not in the top 10 though or over the stud secondary guys. 

-Agreed with Treadwell, I know we drafted Perriman but I don't know if F.O could resist. I know I wouldn't be able to. 

 

-I think Ramsey would play FS here, I know people are on the development of Terrence Brooks but same case here with Treadwell, BPA at a position of need. 

 

-I like Hargreaves but I wouldn't be upset if he didn't make it to us, I really like Cameron Sutton from Tennessee. Great athlete but a better football player. He would really be a good pick and a guy I really like. He's my favorite CB prospect right now. He's a play maker at every level, with size and athleticism and most of all intelligence. He played against tough teams as well. He's a better tackler and I think he can grow into a lock-down CB. Hargreaves is better, but not by a lot. He's great and I would love to have him, seems unlikely right now but I'm not upset by it, Sutton would be a great pick IMO. I like Kendall Fuller but he could be gone as well. 

 

-I've brought up Leonard Floyd as a potential pick up for us, but he's a bit undersized. He's a natural pass rushers, but I have my questions about him as an edge settler. Bosa seems impossible to fall to us IMO. 

 

As for Nkemdiche, I gatta watch more film, not sold on him but maybe F.O is. I think there's a good chance someone will gamble on him before us. 

Edited September 28, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[52520Andrew]

Solid work on the sig.

 

Thanks, idea came to me last night. Was originally just gonna post it but figured this was solid sig material in a department I have been lacking in

[GrimCoconut]

I like Sutton a lot as well. He's got a lot of nice qualities. I also like Eric Murray from Minnesota but I haven't watched a lot of his games this year. I like Floyd quite a bit. I really want Bosa. Like, really really badly. He'll be better than Mack imo. He's going to be a really great player. I know it looks unlikely we get him, but you never know. I'll hold out some hope here. He'd be a beast here and he'd immediately rejuvenate our defense.

Ramsey I love as a FS and I'd want him there. You want a safety like him. Safety play has been our biggest problem. I don't think CB is the Achilles heel of this team.

[RavensFanMania]

I like Sutton a lot as well. He's got a lot of nice qualities. I also like Eric Murray from Minnesota but I haven't watched a lot of his games this year. I like Floyd quite a bit. I really want Bosa. Like, really really badly. He'll be better than Mack imo. He's going to be a really great player. I know it looks unlikely we get him, but you never know. I'll hold out some hope here. He'd be a beast here and he'd immediately rejuvenate our defense.

Ramsey I love as a FS and I'd want him there. You want a safety like him. Safety play has been our biggest problem. I don't think CB is the Achilles heel of this team.

Bosa would be an amazing get, but we'd really have to finish badly.  Dean Pees would have to stick around for the year and not adjust....oh wait..

[GrimCoconut]

Bosa would be an amazing get, but we'd really have to finish badly. Dean Pees would have to stick around for the year and not adjust....oh wait..

Bosa looks like the real deal but you never know where a guy will go. It's so hard to say. I recall people saying guys like Lotulelei and Gregory would be out of reach but that clearly wasn't true. Granted, guys like Cooper never fell and he wasn't projected to fall. My point is you never truly know.

[JoeyFlex5]

hate that 220 lb frame though, maybe he can pull a Beasley going into the combine. I like his teammate Jenkins better, guy's a monster, don't know where he'll go but he's got prototypical size and great instincts.

 

I really like Calhoun, but the back end of the first would be the absolute highest I'd be willing to take him, If we are picking in the teens then I'll pass. Don't think he'll make it to our second pick.

i agree, i like floyd alot but he is a skinny mini. you never know though, on film he is just absolutely dominant even though hes so small, he definitely plays stronger than he looks, alot like vic beasley, except i think floyd is a much better rusher as he is useful anywhere and is extremely mobile, that boy can fly into the backfield regardless of the path he takes to get there. 

 

i flip flop on calhoun, there is no doubting how dominant he is, but he seems scheme specific, he will struggle to carry that weight around in our system, and he also can be very slow off the line at times, he doesnt get beat physically, like ever, but when you watch film rather than highlights you can see he is often the last one off the line. he will end up one of the best 4-3DEs in the league one day, i just dont know if he fits in our system

[Cillmatic]

Looking back at the film, Bosa's not as good as people think. I just don't see it.

Edited September 29, 2015 by Cillmatic