2015 Draft a Franchise: Discussion Thread

[Sizzlebshu]

That isn't true.  His arm strength has clearly deteriorated and the main reason is due to his neck surgery.

Manning never had a lot of arm strength. It did not deteriorate the year he thre 50 TD's (lead the league in deep passing accuracy.). Again I will say the quad robbed him of throwing power and it was not the neck 

[allblackraven]

They clearly should have kept Tebow because he was younger and won a playoff game right? 

No, there were better young QBs available. The thing is, Elway is in win now mode for 3 years now and he did not win. 

[KDUBB44]

Lol @ mariota

[allblackraven]

Went to 1 and lost to Steroidal Seahawks

 

Lost to the flukiest rainbow catch ever vs Baltimore 

 

His resume is awful. 

They also had two kicks returned for TDs.

[NebraskaRavensFan44]

Woo I only had 2 QB's worth taking at my first. Sizzle took Peyton and I took Mariota. I'm building for the future, but who knows, he might surprise you guys this year.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Manning never had a lot of arm strength. It did not deteriorate the year he thre 50 TD's (lead the league in deep passing accuracy.). Again I will say the quad robbed him of throwing power and it was not the neck 

 

Manning had neck surgery in 2011.  In 2014 he said his arm strength still wasn't back to what is was before the surgery.

 

 

 

"I'm not at 100 percent compared to what I was before my surgery,''

 

http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/05/06/peyton-manning-arm-strength-not-100-percent-david-letterman

[52520Andrew]

I think this is about where Manning should have gone. I think there are definitely concerns with him, I mean he could drop off a cliff like Favre did in 2010 and I am not sold that his drop off at the end of the year was only due to injury. Manning is the smartest QB in the league and he is only getting smarter as well though. There is a big risk involved in taking him but it could be spectacular value at the end of the day, kinda like Romo last year. We will just have to see what happens but regardless of that, you gotta give him the right situation on here.

[RavensFanMania]

Elway was obviously wrong - how many SBs has he won with Manning?

Elway shouild have known that no QB or Coach for that matter has won the on two different teams.  Warner came close with Arizona though.

[ludy51]

Lol Peyton manning

[RavensFanMania]

Yeah I still view him as a good QB but he is a guy who I think you are going to have to keep fresh for the playoffs through the regular season as I don't know how he will do throwing the ball 600 times over a 16 game season, then needing to throw a bunch more in the playoffs. He will more likely than not need a strong running game(something Kubiak specializes in) to get him there, kinda like what Elway had with TD

Exactly what Elway had with TD, guess who the OC was?

[52520Andrew]

Exactly what Elway had with TD, guess who the OC was?

 

Kubes of course, it seems like that is the direction they are trying to take it now

[RavensFanMania]

Kubes of course, it seems like that is the direction they are trying to take it now

Exactly.  He was the OC and QB coach. 

[RaineV1]

Maybe it's just me but I would take 1 year of Peyton over the length of Winston's entire career lol

Edit: Sorry but Mariota too. I think both are going to bust.

I think Mariota has a chance to be pretty good it the Titans make it a point to have a really good running game and ease him into things. Like what the Seahawks did.

[regz1997]

Lol @ mariota

IMO he'll be better than Winston

[-Truth-]

Brees played significantly better than his numbers indicate. Stating that he doesn't make his team better with his presence is a foolish notion.

[RavensFanMania]

IMO he'll be better than Winston

time will tell

[gabefergy]

First off, this game is called Draft a Franchise. It's about building a successful team for years, not just winning right now.

Peyton Manning has one, maybe two years left. He is clearly declining as a player. I definitely considered drafting him and building a team in win now mode, but the long term upside is capped and his recent play showed he may be limited in the short term as well.

[RaineV1]

And there goes the first corner. I'm actually a bit surprised that someone went for a defensive back in the first round. I was expecting all QBs and linemen.

[Challenge Accepted]

Lots of QBs this year

[Mt. Crushmore]

Da da da...da da DA!

 

Goodell: "With the 26th..

 

Crowd: "BOOOOO"

 

Goodell: "pick in the 2015 Draft a Franchise.....

 

Crowd: "BOOOOO"

 

Goodell: "The Alaska Icee select...

 

Well played.  Got the +1 before I even saw the selection 

[Inqui]

I've gotta say, I'm glad Peyton went before me. He would have been a difficult decision since he really has one year left - two at best. And the way he looked in the playoffs had me incredibly iffy about him even for that one year. I wanted to watch the Broncos flame out, but he just looked sad.

[BmoreBird22]

Inqui, you know why you're pick got up voted

[Inqui]

Inqui, you know why you're pick got up voted

Because I'm a mastermind who got a potential franchise QB late?

 

I'm just waiting for the +35 now.

[Mt. Crushmore]

rmw approves of that pick

[Inqui]

rmw approves of that pick

And so should the mods. Finding a G-rated pic was hard yakka.

[52520Andrew]

2 picks that get a +1 for reasons outside of the pick(although no issues with either pick)

Surprised a certain player is still available though

[52520Andrew]

And so should the mods. Finding a G-rated pic was hard yakka.

Yeah I noticed that haha

[rmw10]

rmw approves of that pick

 

Looks like I came back just in time!

[BmoreBird22]

And do you know that Luck's INTs came from receivers dropping passes all over the place? I could just as easily say they were all awful plays where he stared them all down but unless you have them all on film and want to break them down or someone else's breakdown then I don't see the point in going there. Also last I checked, Torrey had an 18.33% drop rate last year and SSS had some drops as well later in the season if I am remembering correctly. Flacco doesn't have a T.Y. Hilton or a Dwayne Allen. Luck has better receivers than Flacco has ever had so I don't see that point adding up either.

 

Yeah that is pretty good although I could counter by saying that Hilton, Allen, and Fleener were all round 3 or above picks(something Flacco has rarely gotten outside of Rice who took off with us, Torrey, and Dickson). I don't view it as being nearly as bad as 2013 though, A.Q. actually did fairly well at Center and while they weren't a good interior O-line, 2013 was probably the worst I have seen between Oher falling off a cliff, Gino being the worst Center in the league, A.Q. being overmatched at Guard, and then Big Mac. 2014 is the first year where there have been no major complaints by me on the line(outside of injuries but that was in general) outside of maybe 2011. Then we factor in Doss and Dickson being major contributors for us in 2013 and that was shaped up to be a disaster. 

 

That is a good point, just making sure as I find it odd that here I am saying he is my 2nd best player and you are coming to argue about it with me when there are others that have him lower. If I thought Luck were a top tier QB, he would be #1 on my board and probably everyone else's due to him being much younger than the other guys, I just don't think he is there yet. 

 

He won one as opposed to Cam who never did. Obviously the Steelers had a good defense but the Ravens defense was right up there as well and by 2010 or 2011, Flacco was ready to lead us to the promised land. Cam got in the way of Flacco, can't say the same about Arians. Also he was the guy who did draft Antonio Brown and T.Y. Hilton and has John Brown on the Cardinals now. If Cam could have gotten us a good receiver like that, well lets just say the forums would be a lot different, not that Cam would still be around.

 

Luck gets top 5 hype and he isn't top 5 for me, that is pretty much what it comes down to. I think Luck will get there and I will let you know when he does but it isn't quite yet for me. 

No, I don't know that, but that's not what I was saying. I'd actually be highly surprised if they came from staring down receivers. Luck is one of the best at working through his progressions, keeping his eyes down the field, and getting the ball around. I wouldn't be surprised if they came from forcing passes in some situations. He does have a tendency to try to do too much at times. The point I was trying to make is that 24 turnovers isn't just 24 turnovers. It's somewhere in the middle because a receiver can bobble a pass or run the wrong route (Tandon Doss vs Carolina?). The fumbles don't surprise me because, again, Luck is the most hit and sacked quarterback in the league. 

 

We don't actually know how good T.Y. Hilton or Dwayne Allen are without Luck, not that Allen is much of a volume receiver. I keep trying to hammer this point home, but they were ROOKIES together, so their development was directly tied to Luck. We may get to see how T.Y. Hilton performs next year without Luck because the Colts are certainly loading up on receivers like they'll lose him. But it's probably much like what's probably going to happen with Julius Thomas now that he's not with Peyton Manning. It wasn't until Sanders got with Manning that he really exploded, so again, it's possible that Hilton just drops off. 

 

A.Q. didn't play all that often for them. I'm not sure how he played last year for the Colts, but I remember when they had Hugh Thornton, Samson Satele, and a revolving door at RG. You wanna talk about a group of players that should not be playing at all? That would be the Colts 2013 interior offensive line. I think the Colts interior offensive line in 2013 was far worse than that of the Ravens, which I know is hard to believe, but it was that bad. And at least the Ravens got really high play out of Yanda and Monroe. 

 

I think of Arians and Cam as being similar in the sense that they're good teachers of the games and can help a young guy, but they're not someone I'd want to be the longterm solution at the offensive coordinator position. I think Arians is definitely a very good offensive mind and a very good teacher, but again, he's like Cameron in that he'll limit your growth. I hadn't heard much discussion about Ben in the HoF before he's exploded recently with Hailey. 

 

I just think given the circumstances that Luck is top 5 for me, but then again, I'm also not the biggest fan of Brady and that affects it, but I just really like Luck, a lot.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Looks like I came back just in time!

 

Yes sir