Is Javorius Allen our Real steal in this draft?

[stampedehero]

His highlight vids remind me of early Ray Rice but quicker reaction and speed.  Watch out-Tossaint is going on waivers.    

[Underdogsontop!]

Buck looks good in his highlights! With our O line at full strength he could do some good things if given the chance.

[rmw10]

I'd say his playing style is more that of Matt Forte than Ray Rice.

[RavensFanMania]

His highlight vids remind me of early Ray Rice but quicker reaction and speed.  Watch out-Tossaint is going on waivers.    

I think he definitely has a real possibility.  Was talking to a Skins fan and was telling him that they could have taken Buck in the late 3rd with the Seattle pick and it would have made a lot more sense than taking Matt Jones who most likely would have been there a round or two later.

 

Anyway, I'm glad they didn't.

 

Go Ravens!

Edited May 6, 2015 by RavensFanMania

[JoeyFlex5]

he reminds me a bit of a young deangelo williams with his good combination of everything you need in a rb, good power and center of gravity, good quickness and elusiveness, good takeoff, jack of all trades kinda guy. 

 

now ill admit ive never watched actual film, just highlights, so i dont know him in depth. one thing that concerns me, is that in his highlights it seems USC was running alot of inside zone, i could be wrong, but the plays seemed to develop so fast that it was hard to really guage the schemes ran, but at first glance it looked like mostly inside zone. does anyone know about his vision and patience and how he would do in our zone stretch? his vision seems competent but idk about his patience, he appears to be real anxious to plant his foot and get upfield. if im wrong about this please tell me lol.

[ravensnick]

I'd personally go with Carl Davis. He's a top 50 talent for me and dropped to 90 for us. But I also love me some Buck Allen. I think his starter days aren't too far away.

[GrimCoconut]

Yes, I love Allen and while I like a lot of the other guys we got late, there's something special I see in Allen. He needs work, but what's awesome is he has good RB coach, a good OL and very good veteran RB who can teach him the ropes.

[RavensFanMania]

I'd personally go with Carl Davis. He's a top 50 talent for me and dropped to 90 for us. But I also love me some Buck Allen. I think his starter days aren't too far away.

Agree, once you get Davis in our defense and he becomes more consistent,he will be extremely difficult to handle. 

[Inqui]

Allen was a good value pick, but I said pre-draft that this RB class was so ridiculously loaded with great players (think of last year's WR class) that SOMEONE was going to fall to us on day three, and it happened to be Allen. I think Davis is our big steal, or Williams.

[JoeyFlex5]

Agree, once you get Davis in our defense and he becomes more consistent,he will be extremely difficult to handle. 

i also think davis was the best pick of the draft, i had him somewhere in the top 10 of the 2nd round, thats somewhere before the 44th pick, we got him at 90, and he is such an incredibly perfect scheme fit, he has ridiculous size, he carries it well, i mean he can really for being such a mountain of a man, he can get in the backfield on pass plays and he can eat space in the run, he can penetrate, or he can just push the guy in front of him all the way back, he is just so freakishly strong and a surprising athlete. 

 

hes also playing with a major chip on his shoulder, the fire in his voice on that conference call is something you will NEVER hear from a rookie. he is going to dominate and i can feel it. i already want his jersey

[GrimCoconut]

On who our biggest steal is, that's very debatable. It's a tough one to gauge. How do you define a steal? Is it a player who would've gone earlier, who had a higher grade compared to where he ultimately fell? Is it a player who develops and becomes a top-10 player at their position? For me, is the latter, and since it's too early to judge, I'll go based off of how I graded these players.

I had originally graded Perriman, Davis, Williams, and Allen with second round grades. Perriman went first and Williams went second. Considering that the draft was walk after a certain number, what I gauged to be 10 truly elite players, then that's not so bad. I may have been wrong on Perriman, so chalk that up to a mistake. I never thought Williams was worth a first but he's definitely worth a second and I'm shocked he feel as far as he did. He was great value for sure. Steal? Not yet but maybe in a few years.

Davis is a guy I had a second round grade, so him falling to the third is good value but also not great value. He's got questions and I liked a lot of what I saw from his teammate; however, I admittedly don't know if Davis helped free up LTP or if LTP is just a beast. I still really liked what I saw from LTP but I'll defer to Ozzie. They know DL.

As for Allen, as I said he was a second round pick for me. To get him in the fourth is absurd value. I had him up there with Gordon and I loved Gordon. Allen could also become our top RB as early as next year, so I think he's got what it takes to be the steal of this class due to where he was drafted and his impact.

[Ravenseconbeast]

No.  I always thought he was too stiff.  He has no butt to pass defenders.  He doesn't have freak speed or power either.  I don't like this pick.  One of 2 out of 9 that i really do not like.

[ravensnick]

On who our biggest steal is, that's very debatable. It's a tough one to gauge. How do you define a steal? Is it a player who would've gone earlier, who had a higher grade compared to where he ultimately fell? Is it a player who develops and becomes a top-10 player at their position? For me, is the latter, and since it's too early to judge, I'll go based off of how I graded these players.

I had originally graded Perriman, Davis, Williams, and Allen with second round grades. Perriman went first and Williams went second. Considering that the draft was walk after a certain number, what I gauged to be 10 truly elite players, then that's not so bad. I may have been wrong on Perriman, so chalk that up to a mistake. I never thought Williams was worth a first but he's definitely worth a second and I'm shocked he feel as far as he did. He was great value for sure. Steal? Not yet but maybe in a few years.

Davis is a guy I had a second round grade, so him falling to the third is good value but also not great value. He's got questions and I liked a lot of what I saw from his teammate; however, I admittedly don't know if Davis helped free up LTP or if LTP is just a beast. I still really liked what I saw from LTP but I'll defer to Ozzie. They know DL.

As for Allen, as I said he was a second round pick for me. To get him in the fourth is absurd value. I had him up there with Gordon and I loved Gordon. Allen could also become our top RB as early as next year, so I think he's got what it takes to be the steal of this class due to where he was drafted and his impact.

Louis was a very nice player for Iowa and definitely a lot more consistent in his play. Went undrafted, but more because he doesn't fit into the NFL mold. Not  big or athletic enough. I wouldn't say he was a better player than Davis, but Davis really needs to work on his motor. 

Edited May 7, 2015 by ravensnick

[GrimCoconut]

Louis was a very nice player for Iowa and definitely a lot more consistent in his play. Went undrafted, but more because he doesn't fit into the NFL mold. Not  big or athletic enough. I wouldn't say he was a better player than Davis, but Davis really needs to work on his motor. 

Yeah. I think Davis will at the very least be a good player in the rotation. Not sure he will ever be a starter like Ngata, but if he can be a good rotational piece, I'll consider that a win. 

[ravensnick]

No.  I always thought he was too stiff.  He has no butt to pass defenders.  He doesn't have freak speed or power either.  I don't like this pick.  One of 2 out of 9 that i really do not like.

Not "freak speed", but he was one of the heaviest backs in the combine and ran one of the faster 40 times. Granted, Coleman and Gurley did not run. Allen's cut are extremely clean and he is also very good at following his blockers. One of the better pass catching and pass blocking backs as well. he has "Trestman back" written all over him in that regard. Fits our zone blocking rushing system as well

Edited May 7, 2015 by ravensnick

[stampedehero]

On who our biggest steal is, that's very debatable. It's a tough one to gauge. How do you define a steal? Is it a player who would've gone earlier, who had a higher grade compared to where he ultimately fell? Is it a player who develops and becomes a top-10 player at their position? For me, is the latter, and since it's too early to judge, I'll go based off of how I graded these players.

I had originally graded Perriman, Davis, Williams, and Allen with second round grades. Perriman went first and Williams went second. Considering that the draft was walk after a certain number, what I gauged to be 10 truly elite players, then that's not so bad. I may have been wrong on Perriman, so chalk that up to a mistake. I never thought Williams was worth a first but he's definitely worth a second and I'm shocked he feel as far as he did. He was great value for sure. Steal? Not yet but maybe in a few years.

Davis is a guy I had a second round grade, so him falling to the third is good value but also not great value. He's got questions and I liked a lot of what I saw from his teammate; however, I admittedly don't know if Davis helped free up LTP or if LTP is just a beast. I still really liked what I saw from LTP but I'll defer to Ozzie. They know DL.

As for Allen, as I said he was a second round pick for me. To get him in the fourth is absurd value. I had him up there with Gordon and I loved Gordon. Allen could also become our top RB as early as next year, so I think he's got what it takes to be the steal of this class due to where he was drafted and his impact.

GC  Your opinion is thought out well..

[GrimCoconut]

Not "freak speed", but he was one of the heaviest backs in the combine and ran one of the faster 40 times. Granted, Coleman and Gurley did not run. Allen's cut are extremely clean and he is also very good at following his blockers. One of the better pass catching and pass blocking backs as well. he has "Trestman back" written all over him in that regard. Fits our zone blocking rushing system as well

I like a lot of stuff about Allen's game. He has good hands, as evidenced by how effective he was as a receiving RB. That'll be a huge bonus to the offense. In fact, although I don't know if they compare in style, Allen is built a lot like our nemesis in Pittsburgh--Bell. If you look at their measurables, they are very close to each other. Now I am only comparing their physical attributes and athleticism, because I think Bell is a better RB coming out of MSU than Allen out of USC, but there's plenty to love about Allen's game. There are things Allen needs to fix, and if he does fix them, then he will be one of the best RBs in this class, no question in my mind. 

[52520Andrew]

I like Allen, I think he has the size to be able to take the load but also is a shifty guy with good pass catching ability. I think he can become that feature back for us

[ravensnick]

I like a lot of stuff about Allen's game. He has good hands, as evidenced by how effective he was as a receiving RB. That'll be a huge bonus to the offense. In fact, although I don't know if they compare in style, Allen is built a lot like our nemesis in Pittsburgh--Bell. If you look at their measurables, they are very close to each other. Now I am only comparing their physical attributes and athleticism, because I think Bell is a better RB coming out of MSU than Allen out of USC, but there's plenty to love about Allen's game. There are things Allen needs to fix, and if he does fix them, then he will be one of the best RBs in this class, no question in my mind. 

Allen gets the benefits of probably sticking around the NFL for a while because he has very little wear due to Kiffin ignore him early into his career.

[443hurricane]

On who our biggest steal is, that's very debatable. It's a tough one to gauge. How do you define a steal? Is it a player who would've gone earlier, who had a higher grade compared to where he ultimately fell? Is it a player who develops and becomes a top-10 player at their position? For me, is the latter, and since it's too early to judge, I'll go based off of how I graded these players.

I had originally graded Perriman, Davis, Williams, and Allen with second round grades. Perriman went first and Williams went second. Considering that the draft was walk after a certain number, what I gauged to be 10 truly elite players, then that's not so bad. I may have been wrong on Perriman, so chalk that up to a mistake. I never thought Williams was worth a first but he's definitely worth a second and I'm shocked he feel as far as he did. He was great value for sure. Steal? Not yet but maybe in a few years.

Davis is a guy I had a second round grade, so him falling to the third is good value but also not great value. He's got questions and I liked a lot of what I saw from his teammate; however, I admittedly don't know if Davis helped free up LTP or if LTP is just a beast. I still really liked what I saw from LTP but I'll defer to Ozzie. They know DL.

As for Allen, as I said he was a second round pick for me. To get him in the fourth is absurd value. I had him up there with Gordon and I loved Gordon. Allen could also become our top RB as early as next year, so I think he's got what it takes to be the steal of this class due to where he was drafted and his impact.

 I trust Ozzie, simply because they watch game film and we get highlights/cut ups.  As a current coach I always get asked for game tapes and not highlights. 

[Clmraven]

I like Allen's skill set for our offense, from the few games I've watched of him it seemed his o-line didn't do him many favors, he got caught in the back field a lot, but I think he could be a much better player than he was in college mainly because I think our offense is such a good fit for him.

[gabefergy]

I've been a Buck Allen fan for a while. He needs to run with more power, but he is very agile with explosiveness. He could definitely end up a steal.

I think my favorite pick is Za'darius Smith though. He plays with a violence that really does remind me of McPhee in a lot of ways.

[kassaiscool]

At first I wasn't to excited about him. I thought he could be more physical for his size, but after further inspection I actually like him more now. He has quickness, speed, and great hands coming out of the backfield. I also thought that USC O-line was pretty weak. It always seemed he had to dodge one or two people in the back field just to make it back to the line of scrimmage. He has no major flaw, Hes an all around RB that won't be hurt as much Bernard Pierce.

Edited May 8, 2015 by kassaiscool

[hn68wb4]

An argument can be made that most of our picks were steals, as always. Maxx Williams is easily the best TE and we got his at the tail end of the second, for some Carl Davis was a borderline first rounder and somehow we got him in the third, personally i think Za'Darius Smith was a big steal in the 4th (i liked him more than Dupree because he was more consistent and well rounded, no doubt Dupree has a higher ceiling but i was never a big fan of his) as was Allen. Some might even say Perriman was a steal in the first, I don't think so, 26 was about right for him in my opinion.

[ellicottraven]

I'd say his playing style is more that of Matt Forte than Ray Rice.

I have to agree with you. He is a great all around talent with great hands and upright running style.

[ellicottraven]

I'd personally go with Carl Davis. He's a top 50 talent for me and dropped to 90 for us. But I also love me some Buck Allen. I think his starter days aren't too far away.

I believe all the 3rd and 4th round picks are going to surprise pleasantly with the caveat of Tray Walker. Just don't know much about him other than measurables.

[GrimCoconut]

I have to agree with you. He is a great all around talent with great hands and upright running style.

Yeah I can see his style reminiscent of Forte. I really want to see him run a little lower. That's my biggest beef with him. He runs too upright.

[RaineV1]

Allen will bring something the Ravens running attack was missing, a home run threat. He can make people miss and break tackles a lot better than Forsett, plus I think he's faster. Forsett's awareness and ability to hit the hole quickly gives him a high yards per carry, but he isn't the type of rb that'll dodge a linebacker and then run for a fifty yards for a touchdown without getting caught from behind. Allen on the other hand has the potential to make that kind of play, as well as do more with screen passes and dump offs.

Edited May 8, 2015 by RaineV1

[Robbo15]

No that would be carl Davis

[redlobster]

No that would be carl Davis

 

I might say Nick Boyle , depending on how the injury to Gilmore plays out.