Odd men out at receiver

[deacfan]

Camp will be the # 3 WR & #1 PR just as he was for the second Cincy game before the hammy. He came in and beat those guys out as a 7th rd pick.  Next season it will be he and Breshad.

 

As far as his "Injury prone" tag from college. As a long time Deac fan, I saw him touch the ball every other play during his time here wether it was a run, catch or return. That raises your risk level a bit. He is as tough as nails and is our all time leading reception leader for a reason.

 

Harbs said it in his pre draft presser. Who could be this years Wagner? "first name that came to mind was Campanaro"

[Ravensfan23]

Just my opinion but seemed that brown rarely got separation unless is was from a play scheme. Not saying he's incapable but I look at him more as a redzone or situational wr versus a true wideout. I don't see him drawing the best cb or a safety to help cover him but I do think in situations he would shine

Oh ok, just asking because it seems the book on Brown is that he's regressed or what he showed his first season was a fluke. Personally i disagree with you but that's what makes this fun right? I think Brown struggled with route running his first year and got open on pure athleticism most times. Last year he improved quite a bit in that area but the combination of Smitty coming and Brown getting hurt set him back from really showing those improvements early.

Imho what you described of Brown is Torrey Smith without the speed. In reality what you described in Brown is what you find in 80-90% of the WRs in the NFL. Its rare to see guys win with great route running and talent unless your talking about the game's best imo. Because of this you see coaches focus so much on scheme and creating mismatches to get guys open. I think you either have a ridiculous talent that you rely on to get you open, speed, quickness, height, strength etc...or you are getting open based on your coach putting you in a favorable match up.

Otside of Smitty it's not a WR on the team this year or last year that gets open without the offense scheming them open.

[ravensnick]

I think we keep 7 WRs: Steve Smith Sr., Breshad Perriman, Kamar Aiken, Micheal Campanero, Marlon Brown, Darren Waller, and Deandre Carter. Carter, a UDFA, will be our return specialist. 

Edited May 5, 2015 by ravensnick

[Ravenslifer]

If I had to guess, I'd go with:

 

SSS       Perriman

Aiken     Brown

Camp    Butler/Waller, with whoever losing this battle going to the PS

 

Realistically Perriman, as a first round pick, will be expected to start and I think he gets that chance after how the FO saw Torrey progress.  The other 3 already have NFL experience, so more or less their spots are guaranteed unless either Butler or Waller does something spectacular in the offseason.  So I'd say the remaining spot is between the two guys we just haven't seen anything of at the NFL level yet, Butler and Waller.

[GrimCoconut]

Add Cam Worthy to the list. Apparently we signed him as an UDFA from ECU. 

[allblackraven]

EDIT: That said, all this depends on the status of Dennis Pitta. If he plays? Well, the Ravens probably will only keep 5 WRs (since they will have 4 tight ends between Pitta, Maxx Williams, Crockett Gillmore and Nick O'Learly). If Pitta retires, there will only probably be 3 TEs on the 53-man roster, as it is unlikely Phillip Supernaw makes the team; thus, there's an extra spot for a receiver.

Nick Boyle

[FlackAttack]

3 TE 6 WR

[redrum52]

Why all the Campanaro can't stay healthy talk? He had ONE injury and it was a bad hamstring pull that took awhile to heal.

 

 

The talk is because he couldn't stay healthy last year and mabye his draft profile which said:

 

Weaknesses

Lacks ideal height and length -- has extremely short arms and can be hemmed at the line. Limited functional strength. Small catch radius. Lacks elite top-end speed to take the top off. Spotty concentration -- makes some focused grabs and drops others he shouldn't. Marginal blocker. Durability is an issue -- has a small build, has been dinged up and could struggle to stay healthy. Had the smallest wingspan (70 1/2 inches) of any receiver at the combine.

[FlackAttack]

campanaro will be cut

[Footman DCXLV]

campanaro will be cut

 

Barring injury, I would be shocked. Especially given he's likely to at least get decent reps returning punts now that we don't have a go-to returner.

[HoldingCall]

I think six wrs, five active and one on the practice squad. Though two could be practice squad wrs if they keep seven.

 

I see Brown and Aiken as similar in a way and wonder whether the team will keep both. Then there is Butler who impressed in preseason last year, Waller, Carter, and Robinson to consider.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Camp will be the # 3 WR & #1 PR just as he was for the second Cincy game before the hammy. He came in and beat those guys out as a 7th rd pick.  Next season it will be he and Breshad.

 

As far as his "Injury prone" tag from college. As a long time Deac fan, I saw him touch the ball every other play during his time here wether it was a run, catch or return. That raises your risk level a bit. He is as tough as nails and is our all time leading reception leader for a reason.

 

Harbs said it in his pre draft presser. Who could be this years Wagner? "first name that came to mind was Campanaro"

 

 

campanaro will be cut

 

You two should lock horns.

[January J]

Does anybody think we would have picked Nelson agholer over perriman or think he was even on our board ?

[baltimorefan328]

Does anybody think we would have picked Nelson agholer over perriman or think he was even on our board ?

I think Agholor is right now a better route running and better hands (compared to Maclin a lot), but I think the Ravens like Perrimans more size speed combo, Agholor is 6 feet and Perriman is more 6'2 and a half, and I think the Ravens were very comfortable believing Perriman can run the full route tree and were not as concerned with his hands as others. I think if both were available they still would have gone Perriman because, although Agholor may be more ready immediately, Perriman's upside is really really attractive. I also think the Ravens wanted a taller guy to let Joe really throw those 1 on 1 jump balls, it seems Perriman is a guy who will go up and get it and fight for the ball

[redrum52]

campanaro will be cut

 

 

There's absolutely no reason to cut Camp.  Good slot guy, can make tough catches and his health might have been a 1 year thing.  He was productive during the playoffs and when he was on the field.  Can also help on ST.  There is also the cost factor. 

 

I'd guess right now:

 

Perriman

SSS

Brown

Aiken

Camp

 

No reason why all those guys don't make it and would love to see Waller have a good camp, just to get that kind of physical freak on the field.

[Purple_City39]

Does anybody think we would have picked Nelson agholer over perriman or think he was even on our board ?

I'm going to say no.  The Ravens may have stated that the size of the WR wasn't important but I don't believe that.  They also stated that they were perfectly fine with the WRs they had right?

 

Trestman likes big WRs.  When you have no deep threat on a team with a strong armed QB, you take the fastest WR in the draft who is also a bigger WR.  The Ravens scouted Perriman hard, according to that one UCF coach.  They'd have drafted him regardless imo

[GrimCoconut]

I think Perriman was the guy if Nelson was there. What I do wonder is where we had Perriman in comparison to Peters and Dupree. I actually think it's possible we had Perriman over Dupree, although I'm really not sure. I could see it go either way. I think Peters was ahead of him though. Anyone else have any thoughts?

[RavensFanMania]

The 6th spot is where the real competition is, pending there are no injuries of course.  Smith, Perriman, Aiken, Brown, and Campanaro are likely safe.  That last spot looks to be a competition between Waller, Butler, Carter, and Robinson.

Robinson may give it some serious competition as he's always been good in camp for the Skins.  In the end I'd be surprised if Waller doesn't win the job, although Harb's does seem to like Butler.  Maybe they end up keeping 7, although it's doubtful. 

[RavensFanMania]

Marlon Brown will shine this year. He has alot of potential and we saw a glimpse of that his rookie year. His ROOKIE YEAR. Give the man 3 years before you blast him. Hes 6'5" and big with strong hands. I guarantee he will do very well this year. I see Marlon and Perriman rotating along with SSS, of course depending on the offensive packages we choose.

I agree, you need to give Brown atleast this year before you  toss him aside. 

[bMore Heathen]

I think Perriman was the guy if Nelson was there. What I do wonder is where we had Perriman in comparison to Peters and Dupree. I actually think it's possible we had Perriman over Dupree, although I'm really not sure. I could see it go either way. I think Peters was ahead of him though. Anyone else have any thoughts?

It's not out of the realm of possibility that Peters wasn't even on our board at all with all of his problems. It's hard to say with Dupree, I think we looked at him hard since we ended up with his counterpart in the 4th. But it's hard to guess if he was rated above Perriman. If they had him 14th or 15th, it's doubtful Dupree was above him.

[RavensFanMania]

I don't think Perriman will get a lot of action in his rookie year.

 

He has a lot to develop.

 

SSS, Brown, Aiken, and Camp are going to have to do the heavy lifting this year.

 

Perriman will just play a couple "nine" routes here and there.

Harbaugh has already stated that he will be the X receiver this year.  For him to only run a "couple nine routes here and there" will stunt his development.  Any receiver needs playing time to develop.  He will need game time running the entire route tree to improve his route running, which I have totally believe he can do.  Besides, he did come from a pro style offense in college.  He's also got a much better qb now than he did in college.

[RavensFanMania]

Torrey Smith was by far our most successful rookie WR. I agree that Perriman is better than Torrey in almost every way when both got drafted, but Torrey was a 2nd Round prospect and Perriman was taken in the 1st.

 

When you get taken in the 1st Round, there will be a lot of expectation. I'm going to wait and see if Perriman can surpass Torrey in year one because it seems the environment is perfect for him to excel with our strong running game and lack of depth at WR.

 

I'll be happy if he produces like Torrey in year one, but in my opinion, he is perfectly set to produce like Beckham Jr.

You basically contradicted what you were  saying.  You claimed Perriman would run only 9 routes and then saidhe is perfectly set to produce like Beckham Jr.  Beckham was running the full route tree, not just 9's.

[Purple_City39]

It's not out of the realm of possibility that Peters wasn't even on our board at all with all of his problems. It's hard to say with Dupree, I think we looked at him hard since we ended up with his counterpart in the 4th. But it's hard to guess if he was rated above Perriman. If they had him 14th or 15th, it's doubtful Dupree was above him.

Nah, Peters was on the board.  I think it was Ozzie who said Peters, Dupree, and Perriman were the last players on their board that were 1st round quality and that they got nervous after Peters and Dupree were picked.

 

To answer the question, I wouldn't be surprised if Perriman was ranked higher than Dupree due to his position being a bigger need.  I'd bet though that Peters would have been drafted had all three fell to Baltimore

[RavensFanMania]

I know I'm in the minority but I really believe we're keeping seven WR.

I think it's definitely more likely to happen this year because it is most likely SSS final year and he may not even be the #2 this year. 

[RavensFanMania]

Yeah I agree on both counts. I envision Waller used in jumbo RZ packages. I think one aspect very underappreciated is what we can now do in the RZ. Much of our past problems in the RZ was not converting on short run plays to punch it into the end zone. With Waller, Perriman, Brown, Williams, Boyle and Gillmore as big targets that also are good in the run game provides a huge (originally no pun intended) boon to this offense. This is an area where we truly struggled even with Kubiak. Now, with all these big targets and run blockers, we can truly keep defenses somewhat honest and force very favorable matchups against most teams, theoretically speaking.

Lets not forget Buck Allen.  He's 6' 220.

[RavensFanMania]

I think Agholor is right now a better route running and better hands (compared to Maclin a lot), but I think the Ravens like Perrimans more size speed combo, Agholor is 6 feet and Perriman is more 6'2 and a half, and I think the Ravens were very comfortable believing Perriman can run the full route tree and were not as concerned with his hands as others. I think if both were available they still would have gone Perriman because, although Agholor may be more ready immediately, Perriman's upside is really really attractive. I also think the Ravens wanted a taller guy to let Joe really throw those 1 on 1 jump balls, it seems Perriman is a guy who will go up and get it and fight for the ball

Has concentration drops are way over blown.  He had most of those concentrations drops in the early part of the season and improved on that end a 1000x over the rest of the year.  I think he has a chance to be better than DeVante Parker in due time, but will have to work at it and the hard work is in his bloodlines. 

 

Go Ravens!

[bmorepizzy]

Going to get a lot of negatives, but I can see Marlon Brown being cut, to me he just does not play like he is 6"5, I do see Deandre Carter making the team, he plays like a small faster version of Anquan Boldin (stout and mean).

[GrimCoconut]

Going to get a lot of negatives, but I can see Marlon Brown being cut, to me he just does not play like he is 6"5, I do see Deandre Carter making the team, he plays like a small faster version of Anquan Boldin (stout and mean).

I actually agree with you in some ways. I'm 50/50, personally. I could see it go either way, but I'd lean to him staying here but you never know. He needs to compete to earn his spot. I don't think it'll come easy this year.

[Alaska Alaska!]

Let's see how Marlon does this season as SSS gets limited snaps.  

[January J]

I think Perriman was the guy if Nelson was there. What I do wonder is where we had Perriman in comparison to Peters and Dupree. I actually think it's possible we had Perriman over Dupree, although I'm really not sure. I could see it go either way. I think Peters was ahead of him though. Anyone else have any thoughts?

the way I perceived it was peters was our first choice followed by Dupree. I think perriman was pretty much our last resort for the first- which isn't a bad thing, bc he very well could have been one of the highest receiver on our board- Ozzie just usually tends to go defense and a corner was (debateably) our highest need. Once I read that article that went inside the war room where it stated that Ozzie "grimaced" when bud Dupree was picked - that pretty much tells me he was the guy we wanted at that point. Although I'm glad it worked out the way it did, and I'm thinkin it will be a blessing in disguise. I was suprised the cheifs picked up peters when their receiving core last year did not catch ONE touchdown, but a good pick nonetheless. Maybe he wasn't on our board due to the character issues ? No way of knowing for sure unless we hear it from the brass themselves- but you can pretty much assume when they said that there were only 3 guys left on their board about halfway thru that it was peters, Dupree , and ofcourse perriman- and with the context given, it was probably in that order.