Post draft Expectations

[3-4ravdef509]

There's two Joe Flacco's, good Joe Flacco and Bad Joe Flacco. Good Joe Flacco usually has a bye during Cincinnati week.

 

Although on the other side of that coin, the defense gave up 2 4th quarter leads to them last year, but still hard to put the majority of the blame on them. Flacco and the offense sucked it up for 6 quarters and then in the last quarter of each game, they turn it on but by then the defense is gassed,

 

Bengals and the Texans just bring out the worst in Flacco and the offense. It is what it is, maybe it'll change, but even Manning and Brady have opponents who seemingly just have their number. I think the Bills often give Brady fits, and the Jets used to and still occasionally do. Can't think of anyone for Manning but I'm sure there is. The Bengals and Texans just personnel and philosophically are a nightmare matchup for us, especially our offense. 

 

Luckily, come playoff time they choke and we rise up. But regular season time, I always bet on splitting with the Bengals or worse, and after last year, whoever is playing qb for the Texans doesn't make me feel better about playing them.[/quoTE

The bills may present a problem but they still lose. (Brady is 23-2 vs the bills)

I'm a little tired of the Ravens being stymied offensively and defensively by the bengals. It comes off as being unprepared,out schemed and out coached and there is almost no chance we win the division if we are swept again.

It's time to change some things philosophically when it comes to playing the bengals.

If a team has your number, it had better not be a team in your division. They seem to play with a certain confidence against us, both in Cincinnatti and here in Baltimore and that needs to stop.

 

Agreed, the overall effort vs the Bengals isn't good...on paper there's no reason we shouldnt have our way with them yet we consistently underperform and they seem to come in and almost bully us.

 

Also, Brady is a HOF with a HOF coach and coaching staff and the Bills are just a weaker team. But it's seemingly never a pretty win, even the blowouts aren't a true tell sometimes.

 

That's great and all.  At one point it was said that Joe struggled against the Steelers with Ben.  Then Joe struggled against the Steelers in Pittsburgh.  Then Joe struggled against the Steelers in the playoffs.  Things change.

 

We've never had a draft for Joe where they actually got him weapons.  The Bengals aren't some great team but they do luck out against us regularly.  Take the two games last season (especially the Green bobble TD game winner).  We just need that edge to swing those games in our favor and I think this draft, and theirs, just swung it our way.

 

They Steelers we've been fine against for awhile.  They showed in the playoffs that all that firepower is useless if even one part is missing.  Their entire passing arsenal still struggled against our depleted defense @ home.

 

I don't think it's a bold prediction to say the team that's won the division in 2 of the past 4 seasons, gone further in the playoffs every season since 2011, and drafted the best will win the division in 2015.  Even if we go 1-1 against both of them, we'll still perform better against the remaining schedule than they will.  We won't get swept either.

 

Difference is Joe has pretty consistently always struggled against Cincy, and so has the team as a whole.

 

We finished 3rd two years in a row I think...so saying we've won 2 of the last 4 is factually correct but misleading. 

 

We're talking regular season advantage, and until we see any of these new pieces and players in action we're merely speculating. Speculation aside, the Bengals and Steelers have clear regular season advantage over us, while we clearly have playoff advantage over them. To me, it's bold to say we'll win the division just because we had a seemingly good draft. It's does seem like a good draft but the grade will remain incomplete to me until we see these players take the field come August.

 

Also, what's this we've never drafted Flacco weapons? Where did Torrey Smith, Dennis Pitta, and Ed Dickson come from? Before you knock Dickson, he had one good year in 2010 and caught some key passes in our Super Bowl win/run. It's not that we've never drafted him weapons, we've just never drafted two players with so much buzz in the first two rounds of the draft that will catch passes from Flacco next year. And again, until August, all we have to work with is speculation and buzz.

 

In terms of the Bengals, the Ravens record against them is telling

 

Before Joe got a deep threat in 2011, he was 3-3 against them. 

After joe got a deep threat in 2011, he has been 4-3 against them with 2 of those losses being last season in those last minute defensive collapses.  Even with the turnovers, with Joe actually having a deep threat on the team, the Ravens have faired better.

 

Keep in mind week 1 last season was the first time in a new offense, with new players, and a new o-line that hadn't gotten into sync at all (which we later saw).  Cincy is a good team but I just have no reason to believe we can't beat them.

 

Disclaimer: the 2012 regular season finally wasn't counted since Joe threw 8 passes on 1 or 2 drives before being pulled 

 

So a one game difference? Sorry, you're reaching on that argument IMO. 

 

You highlighted the most important part - turnovers. They seemingly got worse the more years wore on until 2011, where he threw no picks against them that year I believe, or maybe just one. In 2012 he had his best year against the Bengals in really just one game where he picked them apart. But then 2013 and 2014 looked like old Joe again. He seemingly gets a little flustered against them. Honestly, my opinion is they play dirty on defense, they get away with so much PI and holding and overall mugging of our receivers. But then sometimes Joe makes just a boneheaded throw. And really, it's usually only against the Bengals and the Texans you see him throw those really really dumb passes anymore. Not the ones where it was simply misread or miscue, or a bad throw. No, the ones where it's like one Ravens blanketed by three defenders and he seemingly just chucks it up. Or times where coverage is so perfect no throw should be attempted and he tries to force it in.

[ravensnick]

I think the story will be similar to recent years. We will be good but not great in the regular season while we build up steam and the offense gels with so many new pieces and a new coordinator. But we'll be at our best when it matters most playing deep into January.

Yes and no. I see us quite handily winning our divison but we have to play the best of the best in the NFC and AFC West. It's not going to be our good old: beat a good team and play really bad against the jags and lose. 

Edited May 6, 2015 by ravensnick

[SeaHawk]

I agree with this.  Torrey made his living off speed alone as his hands were always questionable and his route running always bad, yet he was good for us.  Waller has speed (although less "quickness), much better hands, and he's huge.  If he gets just 2-4 deep attempts a game I think he'll do damage until he can improve his overall game.

 

Only thing is, he's a 6th rounder.  If he was 1st, 2nd, or 3rd you'd know for a fact he'd get chances.  He'll get a chance as a later round guy but he'll also be given up on quicker if it comes to that

I understand the quickness factor, but honestly, it's the rare occasion when a big receiver has the quickness. V Jax isn't the quickest, but he was a pro bowler at one time.

[ravensdan]

Fixed it for ya.

The x-factor on how we'll do IMO is Trestman. If the offense doesn't take a step back from last season, the sky can be the limit for this team. I would like to see how good this team can be with a healthy and synchronized secondary as well.

you know I think you're right I think I was hasty putting Pittsburgh on theretheir defense is really going to suffer this year I can't see where any pass rush is coming from at all

[redrum52]

My expectations are the same as pre draft. SB or bust... With what we added, my expectations have only increased the probability of it happening.

[Purple_City39]

I understand the quickness factor, but honestly, it's the rare occasion when a big receiver has the quickness. V Jax isn't the quickest, but he was a pro bowler at one time.

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think it's all that important at all, to be honest.  It was just being heavily talked about for some reason.  As you said, big receivers don't usually have quickness.  V.Jax, Megatron, Marshall, A.Johnson, Floyd, etc/  All established, some faster than others, none all that quick.

 

For me, Waller has speed, very good hands, size, ability to high point a pass, and the willingness to fight for a pass.  There is honestly no reason we shouldn't at minimum use him like Pittsburgh used Bryant.  No matter how poor of a route runner he may or may not be, running a straight line and catch a pass shouldn't be hard and with his measurables, it would be very hard to stop.  He can improve his routes as he gains experience

[Ravensfan23]

My post draft expectations are for this team to be highly competitive as always, but take that next step in the regular season to not only compete for one of the top seeds but to actually lock it down. AFC Championship game will be played in Baltimore in 2016. 

 

I expect Joe to be the same old Joe but more consistent this year. I think he and Trestman will really hit it off with both having an aggressive style. I think that's the major cause to most of his inconsistency. When the offense stays aggressive, Joe is at his best and I think Trestman will be very aggressive while mixing in just enough run game to keep the defense off balance and everyone in Baltimore happy. Joe has done a great job with less talent for years and now I think he has the talent around him to really dominate this year. 

 

my biggest questions coming out of the draft is how do you find a way to keep all these talented Defensive lineman and Wide Receivers on this team. For the first time I really see where the talent of the WRs we have can all fit into this team but how. I could even see a guy like Aldrick Robinson making the team if he flashes in camp and that has as much to do with the way Flacco develops these guys. 

 

Then I look at the dline and it's amazing how Ozzie has stocked that up. I think we have 4 guys alone who could make up a dominant Dline in Williams, Timmy, Davis and Urban. But then you add in the guys who can and will rotate in. It' gonna be a great summer watching these guys compete. I think the coaches will have a lot of tough decisions. 

[Maryland]

Bengals will stay about the same, maybe improve if their receivers stay healthy. They still have no pass rush, which they didn't address in the draft. 

Steelers will take a step back. Their secondary looks league-worst on paper, and I'm not sure where they're going to get their sacks from. Plus they lost Dick LeBeau. 

Browns may be more competitive, but they still have no QB, so not too concerned there. 

 

I think the draft put us ahead of everyone else in the division, since we really answered our needs outside of CB pretty well (and if they just stay healthy, secondary should be average, at least). Losing McPhee as the 3rd pass rusher probably hurts us the most, since we kind of replaced Ngata with Jernigan/Carl Davis/B.Williams. Probably won't be top-3 in sacks this year. 

 

With the AFC/NFC West schedule, getting a WC spot will be difficult for the runner-up, so I hope we win the division. 

[JoeyFlex5]

avoiding injury bugs, this team is SB or bust, sure we have alot of rookies to depend on for a well rounded team, but i dont see a single rookie that should have a very difficult learning curve, perriman, williams, davis, and maybe allen(not sure about his patience in a zone stretch) are all natural system fits, they all have very good position coaches, and i just think they will all have solid rookie seasons. if our secondary finally stays healthy, and if we can avoid IR'ing 4+ players from a single position group then i think we are in legit contention for a SB. if monroe plays up to his contract, wagner shows minimal lingering effects from the injury, and if our secondary can come back and our starters can at least play to 80% of their capabilities without getting hurt, then i dont see how we arent one of the most dominant teams in the league. 

 

i am concerned with the pass rush though, i think we'll be top 10 in sacks, but nothing like last year. and if sizzle and doom both get hammered by father time in the same season, we could be in big trouble and we would be depending on whatever 3 down linemen are on the field to generate the pass rush, we have no depth to bring pass rush from exterior so if the starters arent bringing it, nobody is.

[Tenacious Faulker]

our offense just took a massive step forward in the past 3 days. i think this offense is the perfect place for perriman to step in and shine, maxx williams makes for a great security blanket and is a very safe prospect, i see big things in his future, and darren waller, while not my favorite choice in the 6th, is still 6'6" and is leaps and bounds better than tommy streeter and actually could find himself a nice niche in our offense, buck allen looks rock solid, good scheme fit, does everything, great moves, solid power, just steady as they come.

 

joe has never had this kind of firepower, this could be the most exciting offensive season we have seen since the ravens came into existence. 

 

i think one of our guys has a real shot at contending for OROY, perriman is possibly in the best situation of all the first round wr's besides maybe agholor, but i think him and joe really complement eachother, they will both make the other look better, and there is no better mentor for a raw product like perriman than an aging steve smith who knows his role and is pursuing a ring over anything. 

I agree that this draft was a heavily weighted to the offense.  But, I'm not so sure that Joe has never had a massive array of weapons.  2010 he had Boldin, Mason, Housmanzadeh, Todd Heap, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta and a speedster in Donte Stallworth at 6'1"/220 with a 4.22 40 time (perhaps 4.40 by 2010). It's what they do with it.  But they certainly have a good start on the future of the offense.

 

I love the Perriman pick and mocked him faling to the Ravens myself.  My biggest worry is the bust label - PFF rated him the biggest risk.  I think "bust" is unlikely, but 70% of 1st rounders never live up to the draft position.  I'd hate for Ozzie to see this as another reason to stay away from 1st round receivers for another 12 years.

 

I wasn't a huge fan of Williams as a 1st rounder and didn't want the Ravens to reach for him.  However, considering his draft position, I suppose he was a steal considering that Ozzie knows TEs and how to pick for best value.  But just moving up to steal him from the Steelers (if that was true) was worth it by itself.  

 

Waller was a mystery pick for me in terms of recognition, but his measureables can't be overlooked.  He wasn't used much in Georgia's run-first offense but his game tape resembles DGB's.  Not to mention hes a tad quicker and has one minor infraction his is past as opposed to a junior thug wrapsheet.  Gil Brandt thinks he could end up the "steal of the draft".  My concern is what this means for Marlon Brown and Kamar Aiken.  I probably shouldn;t be concerned about it, but I want to see those guys get their shot.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Tenacious Faulker

[Purple_City39]

I agree that this draft was a heavily weighted to the offense.  But, I'm not so sure that Joe has never had a massive array of weapons.  2010 he had Boldin, Mason, Housmanzadeh, Todd Heap, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta and a speedster in Donte Stallworth at 6'1"/220 with a 4.22 40 time (perhaps 4.40 by 2010). It's what they do with it.  But they certainly have a good start on the future of the offense.

Faulker (are you on the mudncleats message boards also?), I disagree with this assessment of weapons.

 

Boldin, Mason, Houshmanzadeh.  All the same WR, just different heights, just possession guys.  Considering Cam ran an Air Coryell offense, not having a deep receiver actually hurt Joe.  A strong armed, aggressive QB regulated to waiting forever for old, slow, receivers to run deep while also having a bad o-line.

 

Stallworth - used for more end arounds than actual deep plays.  When he did run a route, 50% were short routes.  Cam was out thinking himself.

 

Dickson/Pitta - had a combined 38 targets all season

 

This is definitely the best weapons Joe's ever had, if for no other reason than Trestman will actually use his players properly and will actually send his speed guy(s) deep as opposed to mainly using them for gimmick end arounds while sending the slow guys 30+ yards downfield

[GrimCoconut]

Man, I can't believe how young we are now.

Perriman: 21yo (September 22yo)

Williams: 21yo (April '16 22yo)

Davis: 23yo (March '16 24yo)

Smith: unknown

Allen: 23yo (Aug 24yo)

Walker:

Boyle: 22yo (Feb '16 23yo)

Myers: 23yo (Dec 24yo)

Waller: 22yo (Sept 23yo)

That's pretty good. Granted, Walker and Smith are unknowns, but the rest are solid. Perriman will be 25-26 by the end of his deal, depending on if he gets his fifth year option. Williams will be 25 by the end of his. Davis, Waller, Allen and Myers will be 27 at the end of their deals.

[redrum52]

Man, I can't believe how young we are now.

Perriman: 21yo (September 22yo)

Williams: 21yo (April '16 22yo)

Davis: 23yo (March '16 24yo)

Smith: unknown

Allen: 23yo (Aug 24yo)

Walker:

Boyle: 22yo (Feb '16 23yo)

Myers: 23yo (Dec 24yo)

Waller: 22yo (Sept 23yo)

That's pretty good. Granted, Walker and Smith are unknowns, but the rest are solid. Perriman will be 25-26 by the end of his deal, depending on if he gets his fifth year option. Williams will be 25 by the end of his. Davis, Waller, Allen and Myers will be 27 at the end of their deals.

I love the youth.  Knew it was coming, especially after the SB.  Basically a new offense and the only thing kind of familiar are the corners. 

 

The more you think about the turnover on both sides, it's crazy to realize there hasn't been that bad a drop off.

Edited May 8, 2015 by redrum52

[beasy2487]

I love the Perriman pick and mocked him faling to the Ravens myself.  My biggest worry is the bust label - PFF rated him the biggest risk.  I think "bust" is unlikely, but 70% of 1st rounders never live up to the draft position.  I'd hate for Ozzie to see this as another reason to stay away from 1st round receivers for another 12 years.

 

If this is true then the problem is with the expectations, not the players.

Edited May 8, 2015 by beasy2487

[Ravenslifer]

I agree that this draft was a heavily weighted to the offense.  But, I'm not so sure that Joe has never had a massive array of weapons.  2010 he had Boldin, Mason, Housmanzadeh, Todd Heap, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta and a speedster in Donte Stallworth at 6'1"/220 with a 4.22 40 time (perhaps 4.40 by 2010). It's what they do with it.  But they certainly have a good start on the future of the offense.

 

 

None of those guys played any significant time at all.  Between them, Dickson, Pitta and Stallworth saw 33 targets total that season, and over 20 of them went to Dickson alone.  That was my biggest problem with the Cam-fense - throughout the 5 years he was here, guys past the number 3 receiver and the number 1 tight end just did not see the field to any appreciable degree.  So the best way of putting it is Joe has never been in a situation where we're likely to have as much pass-catching talent on the field with him at the same time.  Last year our number 3 receiver in offensive playing time was Marlon with 35 percent of snaps on the field, then Kamar with 25 percent of snaps. Conversely, in Trestman's offense last year, the number 3 receiver saw 40 percent of offensive snaps, the number 4 receiver and number 2 tight end saw 35 percent and 30 percent of snaps, respectively.  So regardless of which group was actually more talented, I have a feeling that this year's crew is going to see the field more and thus be in more of a position to make plays for us.

[Daft Classic]

I'm tempering my expectations for the year. The offense SHOULD be one of the best in Ravens History with the weapons and players we have:

QB: All hail the mighty Flacco

RB: Forsett, Taliaferro, and Buck. RETURN OF THE 3 HEADED MONSTER

TE: With or without Pitta, this group is nice. With Pitta, we have the best 2 TE set in the league with Pitta and Williams. Without, we still have a feature TE in Williams with a great raw prospect in Gilmore

WR: SO MUCH QUALITY DEPTH, I LOVE IT. IT'S SO NICE  

OL: Still one of the best lines in the league. Unless the injury bug hits hard again, nothing can stop these guys. Added Urshel and Hurst as depth? We should be set here

 

The defense is what kinda scares me. So many risky moves that we just gotta hope pay off:

DL: Losing Ngata is big, but Williams, Jernigan, and a rotation at DE might be enough. Getting Davis and Smith will be big in mending the hit

LB: Still our feature unit. Suggs and Doom are All-Pro, and Mosely and Smith lock down the center

DB: Scares me the most. Our weakest position due to injury, and we didn't really make any moves to reinforce it. Kendrick Lewis and Will Hill at safety should get some consistency going there (And get rid of Elam), and getting Jimmy and Webby back as starters will set one of the best CB tandems. Depth is just my only concern

 

I don't need to mention special teams other than KR/PR. Tucker and Koch are straight $$$. Returner I guess is Camp, but not much experience there

Edited May 8, 2015 by Daft Classic

[DomMcRaven]

There's two Joe Flacco's, good Joe Flacco and Bad Joe Flacco. Good Joe Flacco usually has a bye during Cincinnati week.

 

Although on the other side of that coin, the defense gave up 2 4th quarter leads to them last year, but still hard to put the majority of the blame on them. Flacco and the offense sucked it up for 6 quarters and then in the last quarter of each game, they turn it on but by then the defense is gassed,

 

Bengals and the Texans just bring out the worst in Flacco and the offense. It is what it is, maybe it'll change, but even Manning and Brady have opponents who seemingly just have their number. I think the Bills often give Brady fits, and the Jets used to and still occasionally do. Can't think of anyone for Manning but I'm sure there is. The Bengals and Texans just personnel and philosophically are a nightmare matchup for us, especially our offense. 

 

Luckily, come playoff time they choke and we rise up. But regular season time, I always bet on splitting with the Bengals or worse, and after last year, whoever is playing qb for the Texans doesn't make me feel better about playing them.

Well Dalton usually struggled against us in years past, but not so much this past season. If this isn't the season where Flacco can't turn it around against Cincy, I don't know when he will.

[JoeyFlex5]

Faulker (are you on the mudncleats message boards also?), I disagree with this assessment of weapons.

 

Boldin, Mason, Houshmanzadeh.  All the same WR, just different heights, just possession guys.  Considering Cam ran an Air Coryell offense, not having a deep receiver actually hurt Joe.  A strong armed, aggressive QB regulated to waiting forever for old, slow, receivers to run deep while also having a bad o-line.

 

Stallworth - used for more end arounds than actual deep plays.  When he did run a route, 50% were short routes.  Cam was out thinking himself.

 

Dickson/Pitta - had a combined 38 targets all season

 

This is definitely the best weapons Joe's ever had, if for no other reason than Trestman will actually use his players properly and will actually send his speed guy(s) deep as opposed to mainly using them for gimmick end arounds while sending the slow guys 30+ yards downfield

for tenacious faulker, this post pretty much summed up my thoughts. 3 aging possession receivers, an old as dirt TE, pitta long before he blossomed, dickson had always been stone hands, and stallworth was never worth a thing on any team, especially ours. all this on an offense that is based almost purely on winning 1on1 matchups vertically and catching comeback's(which wont succeed very much if you have no speed to threaten with) 

 

it was the safest offense we ever had, but it had so many shortcomings. our 2012 offense was lightyears ahead of 2010

[Willbacker]

Post draft expectations.   Hmmmmm.   A Super Bowl!!

[3-4ravdef509]

Well Dalton usually struggled against us in years past, but not so much this past season. If this isn't the season where Flacco can't turn it around against Cincy, I don't know when he will.

 

I'm not saying he'll never have good games, but idk if he'll ever gain the upper hand against them.

[DomMcRaven]

I'm not saying he'll never have good games, but idk if he'll ever gain the upper hand against them.

This I agree with. As for my expectations, I expect this draft class to be solid, but not as good as last years (last year was just.....wow). I expect to see nice contributions from Perriman, Williams, and either Davis and/or Smith. I'm more of a "wait and see" type of guy, but I'm looking forward to OTAs and training camp.

[3-4ravdef509]

This I agree with. As for my expectations, I expect this draft class to be solid, but not as good as last years (last year was just.....wow). I expect to see nice contributions from Perriman, Williams, and either Davis and/or Smith. I'm more of a "wait and see" type of guy, but I'm looking forward to OTAs and training camp.

It's certainly one of the most exciting drafts, specifically on offense, in a while if ever. Last time we went back to back on offense rounds one and two was Joe and rice.

I'm excited and ready for football. Just not ready to call us favorites for anything yet.

To be fair Cincy is a divisional opponent and they know Joe pretty much inside and out. I feel like he and the coaching staff need to aggressively change their playing style and method against them to try and gain an advantage, as another poster mentioned.

Against the Texans, with that defense, especially the front seven, no one expects Joe to light it up, but the offense as a whole just gets dominated. It's hard to watch.

Edited May 8, 2015 by 3-4ravdef509

[DomMcRaven]

It's certainly one of the most exciting drafts, specifically on offense, in a while if ever. Last time we went back to back on offense rounds one and two was Joe and rice.

I'm excited and ready for football. Just not ready to call us favorites for anything yet.

To be fair Cincy is a divisional opponent and they know Joe pretty much inside and out. I feel like he and the coaching staff need to aggressively change their playing style and method against them to try and gain an advantage, as another poster mentioned.

Against the Texans, with that defense, especially the front seven, no one expects Joe to light it up, but the offense as a whole just gets dominated. It's hard to watch.

Especially on the road. Flacco usually fares better at home, but we expect this. I still can't forgive Harbs for saying that he didn't need to send in help to chip Watt (something around those lines..I can't remember). But back to the offense, my dream goalline package would consist of Marlon Brown, Breshad Perriman, Maxx Williams, and Waller (heard he's got his hands, but I really need to watch some tape on all these guys).

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

The one thing about the Ravens with Harbs and his coaching staff is the players get a real chance to compete even Rookies and undrafted rookies. Rookies have made a big impact on the team in the past and I truly believe some of them will again. It all boils down to how fast a Rookie can get comfortable with the speed of the NFL game and how fast they can take in the Ravens  playbook and do the players take well to constructive criticisum and coaching by both the coaches and vets. I think we have enough tallent and leadership on this team to be back in the playoffs this year again. It is going to be very fun to watch both the offensive and defensive guys get at it. We have a lot of young guys playing and I expect to see some serious maturing from multiple players. Mosley is in his second year along with Jernigan both are going to see the bulk of snaps this year on the defensive side as well as Williams who has seen his fair share of snaps but the number of snaps is going to definitly increase. On offense where do I start? S.Smith SR is now in his 2nd year as a Raven and I know Flacco has a good comfort level with him. Gillmore and "Juice" showed some skills along with Aiken and Brown and Forsett Then add all the new fire power with the Rookies... WOW ITS GOING TO BE FUN TO WATCH FOR SURE..... GO RAVENS!!!   

[January J]

Man, I can't believe how young we are now.

Perriman: 21yo (September 22yo)

Williams: 21yo (April '16 22yo)

Davis: 23yo (March '16 24yo)

Smith: unknown

Allen: 23yo (Aug 24yo)

Walker:

Boyle: 22yo (Feb '16 23yo)

Myers: 23yo (Dec 24yo)

Waller: 22yo (Sept 23yo)

That's pretty good. Granted, Walker and Smith are unknowns, but the rest are solid. Perriman will be 25-26 by the end of his deal, depending on if he gets his fifth year option. Williams will be 25 by the end of his. Davis, Waller, Allen and Myers will be 27 at the end of their deals.

getting younger is always a good thing . Ray Lewis preached about this last year.