Sami84

My Draft Grade

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Here it is then

 

Pick 1

 

Breshard Perriman D ( Or A) 

 

Here's the deal. He is without question the biggest boom or bust guy in the 1st round. He could really be an exceptional talent or he could just be one of many combine warrior flops. He is the biggest wildcard in this draft..thats how risky he is. He has the potential to prove me wrong and i wouldn't be shocked if he did. BUT having said that its the first round and he's not shown polish or safe hands to justify a first round grade. if we took him in the 2nd this would be a different story..this isn't a matt elam who i knew had no shot at even being ''good''. Perrimen could be anything from Julio to Heyward Bey. 

 

Pick 2

 

Maxx Williams A +

 

Pretty much the perfect tight end in the making. Does it all. Runs perfect routes..exceptional hands and catch radius and clutch. Good blocker and will only get better. A go to target. Best pick of the draft and a franchise tight end for many years to come.

 

Pick 3 

 

Carl Davis B

 

The value is there. If he had been picked in early rounds i'd have given this a D-E grade. His biggest issue is technique and motor. Thats not a small thing. He has the potential to be a solid starter. Can he be an elite level player? I don't know..a motor is important to be that.

 

Pick 4

 

Za,darius Smith A

 

Terrific value and an all-round talent with excellent measurable. Sets a mean edge and can rush the passer. Tough and with a mean streak. Could be an upgrade over upshaw. His pass rush is decent and he can move around the line well.

 

Pick 4

 

Joviorious Allen C+

 

Solid..fills a hole..nothing special. Serviceable and can catch out of the backfield.

 

 

Pick 4

 

tray walker N/A

 

no idea..unless he's one of those best kept secrets that was destined to be picked at any moment after us i don't see great value here..there were a lot of options

 

Pick 5

 

nick Boyle F

 

A wasted pick. You can find guys like this in practice squads everywhere. Could have picked any tight end at this point and it wouldn't mean much. There were better players on the board. Worst pick of our draft based on need and ability plus value.

 

Pick 5

Robert Myers  C

 

Seems sluggish on tape. Haven't seen enough..

 

pick 6

Darren Wall    A-

 

At this stage you're lucky to find anything but solid depth. He has great measurables and that alone with a soft pair of hands make this excellent value.

 

Overall I give this Draft a B-. We missed out on quite a lot in the latter picks but we have 1 sure starter in Maxx and a couple of other guys who could well play their way in as starters too. 

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Here it is then

 

Pick 1

 

Breshard Perriman D

 

Here's the deal. He is without question the biggest boom or bust guy in the 1st round. He could really be an exceptional talent or he could just be one of many combine warrior flops. He is the biggest wildcard in this draft..thats how risky he is.

 

Pick 2

 

Maxx Williams A +

 

Pretty much the perfect tight end in the making. Does it all. Runs perfect routes..exceptional hands and catch radius and clutch. Good blocker and will only get better. A go to target. Best pick of the draft and a franchise tight end for many years to come.

 

Pick 3 

 

Carl Davis B

 

The value is there. If he had been picked in early rounds i'd have given this a D-E grade. His biggest issue is technique and motor. Thats not a small thing. He has the potential to be a solid starter. Can he be an elite level player? I don't know..a motor is important to be that.

 

Pick 4

 

Za,darius Smith A

 

Terrific value and an all-round talent with excellent measurable. Sets a mean edge and can rush the passer. Tough and with a mean streak. Could be an upgrade over upshaw. His pass rush is decent and he can move around the line well.

 

Pick 4

 

Joviorious Allen C+

 

Solid..fills a hole..nothing special. Serviceable and can catch out of the backfield.

 

 

Pick 4

 

tray walker N/A

 

no idea..unless he's one of those best kept secrets that was destined to be picked at any moment after us i don't see great value here..there were a lot of options

 

Pick 5

 

nick Boyle F

 

A wasted pick. You can find guys like this in practice squads everywhere. Could have picked any tight end at this point and it wouldn't mean much. There were better players on the board. Worst pick of our draft based on need and ability plus value.

 

Pick 5

Robert Myers  C

 

Seems sluggish on tape. Haven't seen enough..

 

pick 6

Darren Wall    A-

 

At this stage you're lucky to find anything but solid depth. He has great measurables and that alone with a soft pair of hands make this excellent value.

 

Overall I give this Draft a B-. We missed out on quite a lot in the latter picks but we have 1 sure starter in Maxx and a couple of other guys who could well play their way in as starters too. 

I dont thin you realize breshard perrriman is a A he had a shank throwing to him and was the best WR on his team. He led the nation on 3rd and 4th down conversion percentage wise. Watch his highlight real and picture joe flacco throwing to him. Ohh and im not going to break down evrything just say we had a solid draft and cant wait to uss get A- B+ 

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agree with all except boyle and perriman, boyle is a big body guy that can block and is durable. great depth at that position which is mandatory for our offense. i thinks it a great late round pick up.

 

perriman is the perfect replacement for torrey and then some. he is light years ahead of torrey, when torrey was coming out of MD. thats simply a fact. bigger, stronger, goes after the contested catches. just watch torreys highlights at MD compared to perriman at UCF. all of his weaknesses can be coached at the NFL level. torreys aggressiveness could not be coached. he simply lacked it as a player.

 

overall draft grade, solid A.

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Like i said. Perriman is the only guy we picked that i feel will either be a total stud or a total dud.

 

as it was a first round pick taking such a risk is why i gave it a D. I will say right now he is the only selection that i feel could prove me incorrect

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Good rundown Sami. You say the things nobody else is willing to acknowledge .

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Like i said. Perriman is the only guy we picked that i feel will either be a total stud or a total dud.

 

as it was a first round pick taking such a risk is why i gave it a D. I will say right now he is the only selection that i feel could prove me incorrect

given the reason you think us drafting him in the first round was a D grade, who else was on the board that you wouldve taken over perriman at 26?

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You're an notorious negative poster that keeps grinding my gears by saying the same things over and over. But I agree with pretty much everything right here. 

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given the reason you think us drafting him in the first round was a D grade, who else was on the board that you wouldve taken over perriman at 26?

 

Honestly while his upside isn't as high..I like Devin Smith..He's a better version of torrey as in he has better hands and gets the ball. He's a safer pick..not with as much potential but i knew i'd be getting a guy who had a high floor.

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tray walker was prob best pickup next to maxx and breshad. dude has a nice frame, quick and plays well in press which we need. solid pick in round 4.

 

also could be that turnover machine this defense desperately needs, hes known to have a nose for the ball in college.

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tray walker was prob best pickup next to maxx and breshad. dude has a nice frame, quick and plays well in press which we need. solid pick in round 4.

 

I think our entire round 4 was masterful and totally agree about Walker being a fantastic sleeper prospect. He could develop into the ideal complement for Jimmy. Both press guys, put Jimmy on an island and roll coverage to Walker's side with Webb in the slot. We just need Elam, Levine, Brooks, Miles, or Lewis to lock down that other safety spot and our secondary will be solid again.

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Perriman has the biggest boom or bust potential.

 

1st Round WR can go all over the place because the position is very hard for rookie.

 

Some rookies excel, some takes time to develop, and some just never meet the potential.

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The one I strongly disagree with is Myers. Fantastic value there. Has nice movement and fits the system here perfectly. I think this will end up being our best pick in this draft.

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heres how i see perriman... 

 

his downsides as a rookie, are all downsides that torrey had even in year 4. 

the difference between these 2 players, is that perriman is aggressive, he attacks the ball with tenacity, and if his floor is torrey smith, well then im ok with the pick, but the thing is i think his floor is higher than torrey, simply because he does every single thing torrey did but better. 

 

coming out of college, torrey had straight line speed and thats about it, he had a terrible habit of body catching, couldnt use his hands whether it was for catching or gaining separation, he has zero aggression in all aspects, and he turned out to be pretty good, if joe flacco can make torrey look as good as he did, then trust that joe will make more out of perriman. 

 

i wasnt happy with the pick at first either, but you have to look at everything, there isnt much reason to believe the guy will just straight up drop every pass thrown his way, especially when he still has a better combo of hands and body control than any wr on this team not named steve. 

 

such negativity man, if you wanna bash a pick then bash the boyle pick, perriman was the best option at 26th

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As many have said, Perriman will be able to do what Torrey did: So even if he doesn't turn into an absolute beast and produces 50-60 rec/800-1000 yard seasons, I still wouldn't consider that a total bust for a late first rounder.
I believe this to be his floor, the dude is 21 years old and in a couple of years I think we have a "stallion" on our hands like DeCosta referred to him as.

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Demaryius Thomas was called boom or bust too and he didn't go until the 20's because of it. People said the same stuff, he has concentration drops, his routes are sloppy.. teams saw what kind of talent he had coming out but just couldn't pull the trigger in the top 20 because there were "safer" players available. Thomas cleaned up his routes big time with NFL coaching, he still has concentration drops every once in a while but that doesn't prevent him from being a top 3 WR in the entire NFL.

 

Perriman reminds me of Thomas in a lot of ways, teams in the top 20 just couldn't pull the trigger on Perriman either for similar reasons, there were "safer" players still available. I commend our FO for having the cahones to not get scared off by the doubts and pass on a potential superstar because he wasn't "safe" enough. As much as I hate to admit it, I think the Ravens and Steelers both made out like bandits in that 1st round. We got our long term answer to AJ Green and Antonio Brown and the Steelers got a dynamic pass rusher who instantly improves their defense. I expect Perriman, Maxx Williams, and Dupree to have their finger prints all over those rivalry games next year.

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I'm shocked....was expecting to see every pick graded a C- or worse :D

 

More or less agree with your grades. I think Perriman is a B+, with A++ (or D, lol) potential

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Demaryius Thomas was called boom or bust too and he didn't go until the 20's because of it. People said the same stuff, he has concentration drops, his routes are sloppy.. teams saw what kind of talent he had coming out but just couldn't pull the trigger in the top 20 because there were "safer" players available. Thomas cleaned up his routes big time with NFL coaching, he still has concentration drops every once in a while but that doesn't prevent him from being a top 3 WR in the entire NFL.

 

Perriman reminds me of Thomas in a lot of ways, teams in the top 20 just couldn't pull the trigger on Perriman either for similar reasons, there were "safer" players still available. I commend our FO for having the cahones to not get scared off by the doubts and pass on a potential superstar because he wasn't "safe" enough. As much as I hate to admit it, I think the Ravens and Steelers both made out like bandits in that 1st round. We got our long term answer to AJ Green and Antonio Brown and the Steelers got a dynamic pass rusher who instantly improves their defense. I expect Perriman, Maxx Williams, and Dupree to have their finger prints all over those rivalry games next year.

im liking the sound of this, steelers ravens 2.0. the rivalry needs some life injected into it and i think some of the guys drafted this year are just the types to do that. 

 

also, thank you for pointing out all that about perriman. i gotta say im really liking bobby engram as our wr coach, he is doing a great job and he is pounding the table for super high ceiling guys with confidence and saying "its no big deal i can fix it", and i believe he can.

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Am i crazy in thinking Crockett will be cut and Boyle would be #3?

Gilmore had more opportunity to step up last year than this year. So many of his assignments last year were easy and he failed.

Now we have 4more weapons to try out in draft and the snaps are getting much smaller with guys w/ no value.

Tell me crocketts production last year. Crokett should be cut. I think Maxx will just sweep folks expectation.

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Am i crazy in thinking Crockett will be cut and Boyle would be #3?

Gilmore had more opportunity to step up last year than this year. So many of his assignments last year were bat s$$$ easy and he failed.

Now we have 4more weapons to try out in draft and the snaps are getting much smaller with guys w/ no value.

Tell me crocketts production last year. Crokett should be cut. I think Maxx will just sweep folks expectation.

If I guessed, I would say we'll cut Supernaw, keep Pitta on the PUP and determine if he's ready to come off and if not, off he goes to IR. 

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If I guessed, I would say we'll cut Supernaw, keep Pitta on the PUP and determine if he's ready to come off and if not, off he goes to IR. 

i wish pitta would just retire so we can get these expectations out of the way. 

 

he will never be able to play a regular role again, i dont know if he can make it through a full season as a 3rd TE, ive said it before ill say it again, if you have successful surgery, are well over a year removed from said surgery, look like youre fully recovered, and then  go down with the same injury on a routine catch and run just jogging a straight line, then its very clear that the injury is too much to overcome. 

 

i love pitta and it is a very sad and heartbreaking story, he is one of the true good guys of the league and a top notch leader on our team, but it should be obvious to anyone who was watching that cleveland game, that he wont be able to play again. i mean he could be walking down the stairs at home and have his hip blow out again because what he was doing on that field @cleveland wasnt any more strenuous than that. 

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i wish pitta would just retire so we can get these expectations out of the way. 

 

he will never be able to play a regular role again, i dont know if he can make it through a full season as a 3rd TE, ive said it before ill say it again, if you have successful surgery, are well over a year removed from said surgery, look like youre fully recovered, and then  go down with the same injury on a routine catch and run just jogging a straight line, then its very clear that the injury is too much to overcome. 

 

i love pitta and it is a very sad and heartbreaking story, he is one of the true good guys of the league and a top notch leader on our team, but it should be obvious to anyone who was watching that cleveland game, that he wont be able to play again. i mean he could be walking down the stairs at home and have his hip blow out again because what he was doing on that field @cleveland wasnt any more strenuous than that. 

Yeah, I sort of agree, but I say leave it up to him. From what I understand, I don't think we would want him to retire yet, anyway, because the hit to the cap would hurt some. It would be far better to just let him retire, if that's his  wish, next off-season to be a June 1st type of retirement, whereby he won't account for as much of our cap. 

 

That's if he wants to call it quits. I think regardless, it's an issue because if he rests for a year, then he will be a 31 year old TE not having played football for nearly two years--if you even want to say he played football last year or the year before. 

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Yeah, I sort of agree, but I say leave it up to him. From what I understand, I don't think we would want him to retire yet, anyway, because the hit to the cap would hurt some. It would be far better to just let him retire, if that's his  wish, next off-season to be a June 1st type of retirement, whereby he won't account for as much of our cap. 

 

That's if he wants to call it quits. I think regardless, it's an issue because if he rests for a year, then he will be a 31 year old TE not having played football for nearly two years--if you even want to say he played football last year or the year before. 

yea i didnt think about that. ok then let me rephrase, i think our fans should stop acting as if there is any chance of him playing again, there may be a .001% chance, but cmon guys, consider pitta on the active 53 a thing of the past and move on, it hurts my feelings as much as anyone else, but he wont be playing football anymore, and if he does, it will be in a very limited capacity and even that will leave me shocked.

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yea i didnt think about that. ok then let me rephrase, i think our fans should stop acting as if there is any chance of him playing again, there may be a .001% chance, but cmon guys, consider pitta on the active 53 a thing of the past and move on, it hurts my feelings as much as anyone else, but he wont be playing football anymore, and if he does, it will be in a very limited capacity and even that will leave me shocked.

Eh, I don't know what the outlook of his playing future is. I will say that as a 31-year-old TE coming off two hip injuries to the same location is going to be a difficult challenge for an athlete requiring change of direction and shift movements to make quick cuts on slants. He has a big hill to climb to return to his previous form of football. This isn't the same 28-year-old coming off an injury; we're talking about a guy who will be 30-years-old this June, and who is unlikely to begin the year on anything but the PUP. I have my concerns, but I wouldn't call him done. 

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I'm not qualified to put a grade on these picks, but I just didn't get very excited about our haul. Maybe after we hear Ozzie and staff talk about today's selections I'll feel more pumped. 

 

Anyone else feel this way?

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Eh, I don't know what the outlook of his playing future is. I will say that as a 31-year-old TE coming off two hip injuries to the same location is going to be a difficult challenge for an athlete requiring change of direction and shift movements to make quick cuts on slants. He has a big hill to climb to return to his previous form of football. This isn't the same 28-year-old coming off an injury; we're talking about a guy who will be 30-years-old this June, and who is unlikely to begin the year on anything but the PUP. I have my concerns, but I wouldn't call him done. 

were both glass half full types of fans, but this is one ill just have to say that i have zero hopes on, and i think the ravens and pitta know this as well and they are just agreeing to brush it under the rug because of contractual things

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were both glass half full types of fans, but this is one ill just have to say that i have zero hopes on, and i think the ravens and pitta know this as well and they are just agreeing to brush it under the rug because of contractual things

I'm more of in the middle and I'm not picking a side. I don't have enough knowledge to truly make an educated guess, but an ignorant guess would be that he is unlikely to ever become the same player ever again. 

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