Welcome to Baltimore: Darren Waller

[rmw10]

I didn't expect him any higher than 3rd string, but we hear this praise for him and the dude is behind Daniel Brown and Carter on the depth chart.

I guess I should temper my expectations when I hear praise. Everybody is getting a certificate of participation in this training camp.

 

He's not behind them.  The depth chart that I posted goes through to the end and then down.  Carter and Brown would be 5th at the LWR and RWR positions, respectively.  They just don't extend the depth chart out to higher than 4th string, so those guys go underneath.

[lgcs27288]

He's not behind them.  The depth chart that I posted goes through to the end and then down.  Carter and Brown would be 5th at the LWR and RWR positions, respectively.  They just don't extend the depth chart out to higher than 4th string, so those guys go underneath.

- Rookie sixth-round pick Darren Waller is listed as a fourth-string receiver. Undrafted rookies Carter and Daniel Brown, and last year’s undrafted receiver Jeremy Butler are all ahead of him on the depth chart.

Just going by what the Ravens website says my friend.

[rmw10]

- Rookie sixth-round pick Darren Waller is listed as a fourth-string receiver. Undrafted rookies Carter and Daniel Brown, and last year’s undrafted receiver Jeremy Butler are all ahead of him on the depth chart.

Just going by what the Ravens website says my friend.

 

Probably because of how it's laid out.

 

Here's the link to the depth chart on the Ravens website, which illustrates the point and would probably change how Mink/Downing viewed that.

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/depth-chart-2015.html

[Ravenseconbeast]

I didn't expect him any higher than 3rd string, but we hear this praise for him and the dude is behind Daniel Brown and Carter on the depth chart.

I guess I should temper my expectations when I hear praise. Everybody is getting a certificate of participation in this training camp.

There are prolific college receivers from famous college that are buried in depth in other camps.

If you are 4th behind Daniel brown, you ain't going to make the team.

[ravensdan]

- Rookie sixth-round pick Darren Waller is listed as a fourth-string receiver. Undrafted rookies Carter and Daniel Brown, and last year’s undrafted receiver Jeremy Butler are all ahead of him on the depth chart.

Just going by what the Ravens website says my friend.

The depth chart shows him as fourth string. Same as those other guys except Butler who is third string. Not surprising in the least. It would be surprising to me if he ends up anywhere but the PS.

[sflegend89]

I don't put any stock into that depth chart, judging off recent years the first depth chart for the media means absolutely nothing. Last year Dominique Franks was listed above guys who made the team while he got cut. Waller will make the team, probably as the last WR on the roster but make the 53 nonetheless. This isn't a Tommy Streeter type who we can stash on the PS, the word will be out that Waller has some game and at his size he will get snatched up by a desperate team in a heart beat.

 

I think he will be in the Campanaro role from last year and bounce on and off the inactives on game day but he's making this team. 

Edited August 7, 2015 by sflegend89

[cushrinada1986]

Even if he is the last WR on the 53, he needs to make the team. A good redzone threat and well rounded blocking skills as a GT vet and technically he could play a move TE type role if needed inside the redzone.

 

Exhibit A:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Top-Play-Flacco-Finds-Giant-Red-Zone-Target-/760822fd-c821-4b4f-9e95-2e5207b1fb18

 

Just hope we get to see him do this in the preseason...

[Guest]

I don't put any stock into that depth chart, judging off recent years the first depth chart for the media means absolutely nothing. Last year Dominique Franks was listed above guys who made the team while he got cut. Waller will make the team, probably as the last WR on the roster but make the 53 nonetheless. This isn't a Tommy Streeter type who we can stash on the PS, the word will be out that Waller has some game and at his size he will get snatched up by a desperate team in a heart beat.

 

I think he will be in the Campanaro role from last year and bounce on and off the inactives on game day but he's making this team. 

 

He will give us our best shot at the big prize. 

 

Candidly, I would cut DeAndre Carter, Marlon Brown, Campenero, Aiken and Butler in that order to keep him.

[Rav'n Maniac]

This is not the "true" depth chart posted.

 

per Garrett Downing: " This is an unofficial depth chart put together by the team's public relations staff, not by Head Coach John Harbaugh".

[JoeyFlex5]

He will give us our best shot at the big prize. 

 

Candidly, I would cut DeAndre Carter, Marlon Brown, Campenero, Aiken and Butler in that order to keep him.

very bold statements my friend. 

 

im not a huge marlon brown fan and im ready to move on from his hype train but the only guys on that list i would be comfortable with right now over marlon would be aiken, everything else is nothing but media hype at this point

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Waller is a beast! Sadly, it seems that the Ravens WR system will not allow him to be on the field much. Maybe in his 3rd season, we will see more of Waller, and what he can really bring to the table with Flacco.

Ravens WR's seem to have to get in line, and take a number. The guys they percieve that are ahead of him will get the reps, unless they telegraph a fade play in the endzone. Seen this movie before.

Edited August 8, 2015 by OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

He will give us our best shot at the big prize.

Candidly, I would cut DeAndre Carter, Marlon Brown, Campenero, Aiken and Butler in that order to keep him.

Glad you don't make our roster decisions.

And a guy, who you've never even seen play, gives us our best shot at winning the Super Bowl??

If that were true (which thankfully, it's not) our offense would be in big trouble.

Edited August 9, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Guest]

Glad you don't make our roster decisions.

And a guy, who you've never even seen play, gives us our best shot at winning the Super Bowl??

If that were true (which thankfully, it's not) our offense would be in big trouble.

 

Some have not been watching or paying attention. 

 

We lost Torrey Smith and Denis Pitta. Jacoby Jones was relegated to a pure returner last year, but we lost his take the top off the coverage function. There was high hope for Perriman but he's already looking to overcome some nicks. Hopefully he will, but that's not a good start.

 

Steve Smith is 36, he really looked tired at times last year. He's good, but he's not what he was.  Crampanero is injury prone. Marlon Brown has disappeared. Aiken was less than reliable. Butler was IR.

 

We need a receiver to replace a man we cut. A mistake we have yet to overcome.

 

Anyone who believes our receivers are a sure thing, has not been observing closely.

 

For those that can't yet ascertain which of our receivers is the future, it's a very good thing our Front Office made a decision others can't even recognize. 

[PerpetuallyBored74]

This is probably the real depth chart ATM:

 

SSS

Aiken

Camp/Butler (splitting time in the slot)

Perriman (rotating in among SSS and Aiken)

Waller (inactive unless he shines at ST)

 

So yes, if Marlon doesn't return from his back injury to play in the preseason, he gets I/R 'ed, maybe with a designated to return--though that might be used on Urban instead--unless Camp or one of those other 5 gets hurt, then Marlon gets.the last spot.

[sflegend89]

As of right now my prediction for the WR's who make the 53 (I see us keeping 7):

 

1. SSS

2. Perriman

3. Aiken

4. Butler

5. Campanaro

6. Marlon

7. Waller

 

PS: Deandre Carter

 

Cut: Daniel Brown, Nelson, Robinson, Steelman

[JoeyFlex5]

This is probably the real depth chart ATM:

 

SSS

Aiken

Camp/Butler (splitting time in the slot)

Perriman (rotating in among SSS and Aiken)

Waller (inactive unless he shines at ST)

 

So yes, if Marlon doesn't return from his back injury to play in the preseason, he gets I/R 'ed, maybe with a designated to return--though that might be used on Urban instead--unless Camp or one of those other 5 gets hurt, then Marlon gets.the last spot.

isnt the IR-DTR for one player only? if so i think urban would get that slot over marlon, we have a logjam of wr's and virtually everyone is around the same range as marlon talent wise or better, urban on the other hand was supposed to be a starter/50% snap count guy for us and as odd as this sounds we dont have the options at DE that we have at WR

[PerpetuallyBored74]

isnt the IR-DTR for one player only? if so i think urban would get that slot over marlon, we have a logjam of wr's and virtually everyone is around the same range as marlon talent wise or better, urban on the other hand was supposed to be a starter/50% snap count guy for us and as odd as this sounds we dont have the options at DE that we have at WR

 

I think the question is can you count on Urban to stay healthy for even one game?

At least Marlon has shown some durability by playing the entire 2013 season, and he did bulk up to get stronger and tougher.

More than likely, they'll give the IR-DTR to Urban and cross their fingers, and if Marlon needs extra time, they'll deactivate him if it's just for a few weeks, but if it's longer, he gets IR'd or cut with the understanding that as soon as a roster spot opens, he gets resigned--maybe for a bit more money than he was previously making, though I can also see Marlon getting the Bajema treatment too this year. Because we are that deep in WRs with 3 who have comparable skillsets to Marlon (Aiken, Butler, and Daniel Brown who I can see on our PS) As for Waller, he's a lot faster than Marlon, so they don't compare.

Our coaches seem high on Marlon, so who can say for sure what they're going to do with him, just wish he'd get and stay healthy. Same goes for all our other oft-injured guys. We've got championship caliber talent but much of it can't be counted on for the whole season.

[RayRocks]

I think the question is can you count on Urban to stay healthy for even one game?

At least Marlon has shown some durability by playing the entire 2013 season, and he did bulk up to get stronger and tougher.

More than likely, they'll give the IR-DTR to Urban and cross their fingers, and if Marlon needs extra time, they'll deactivate him if it's just for a few weeks, but if it's longer, he gets IR'd or cut with the understanding that as soon as a roster spot opens, he gets resigned--maybe for a bit more money than he was previously making, though I can also see Marlon getting the Bajema treatment too this year. Because we are that deep in WRs with 3 who have comparable skillsets to Marlon (Aiken, Butler, and Daniel Brown who I can see on our PS) As for Waller, he's a lot faster than Marlon, so they don't compare.

Our coaches seem high on Marlon, so who can say for sure what they're going to do with him, just wish he'd get and stay healthy. Same goes for all our other oft-injured guys. We've got championship caliber talent but much of it can't be counted on for the whole season.

 

According to reports, Marlon is over his back injury and now just has a hamstring issue.  My guess is he'll be fine within a week or two.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

According to reports, Marlon is over his back injury and now just has a hamstring issue.  My guess is he'll be fine within a week or two.

 

You have 100% trust in our team's reports?

We're the team that once had Yanda undergo "secret surgery" during the season.

Only the Patriots are more deceptive about the severity of injuries--remember how Lee Evans was always just a few weeks from recovery? Or how we got fined after Ed Reed let slip that he'd been playing with a shoulder injury that the team never listed on the injury report?

I'll believe 100% that Marlon Brown (and all our other injured) only has a minor setback when I see him return to the field.

For now, I'm hopeful, but slightly suspicious of these reports.

[Crabcakes&Football]

You have 100% trust in our team's reports?

We're the team that once had Yanda undergo "secret surgery" during the season.

Only the Patriots are more deceptive about the severity of injuries--remember how Lee Evans was always just a few weeks from recovery? Or how we got fined after Ed Reed let slip that he'd been playing with a shoulder injury that the team never listed on the injury report?

I'll believe 100% that Marlon Brown (and all our other injured) only has a minor setback when I see him return to the field.

For now, I'm hopeful, but slightly suspicious of these reports.

 

Also Jimmy Smith just had a bruise and should return to practice in a couple days.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Some have not been watching or paying attention.

We lost Torrey Smith and Denis Pitta. Jacoby Jones was relegated to a pure returner last year, but we lost his take the top off the coverage function. There was high hope for Perriman but he's already looking to overcome some nicks. Hopefully he will, but that's not a good start.

Steve Smith is 36, he really looked tired at times last year. He's good, but he's not what he was. Crampanero is injury prone. Marlon Brown has disappeared. Aiken was less than reliable. Butler was IR.

We need a receiver to replace a man we cut. A mistake we have yet to overcome.

Anyone who believes our receivers are a sure thing, has not been observing closely.

For those that can't yet ascertain which of our receivers is the future, it's a very good thing our Front Office made a decision others can't even recognize.

I don't see anyone saying our receivers are a sure thing - they're certainly not.

And that includes Waller especially.

First he's got to make the team, which I suspect he will. But expecting him to start or even contribute heavily is a huge stretch.

Claiming he's the key to a Super Bowl? Pretty absurd.

And, those that have been paying attention know that Aiken has probably been the most reliable of the group.

Jacoby, aside from the 2012 playoffs didn't take the top off any defense. You're not a threat if you can't catch.

Perriman will be fine.

I like Wallers potential, but I doubt he's anything more than a situation red zone target this year.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Some have not been watching or paying attention.

We lost Torrey Smith and Denis Pitta. Jacoby Jones was relegated to a pure returner last year, but we lost his take the top off the coverage function. There was high hope for Perriman but he's already looking to overcome some nicks. Hopefully he will, but that's not a good start.

Steve Smith is 36, he really looked tired at times last year. He's good, but he's not what he was. Crampanero is injury prone. Marlon Brown has disappeared. Aiken was less than reliable. Butler was IR.

We need a receiver to replace a man we cut. A mistake we have yet to overcome.

Anyone who believes our receivers are a sure thing, has not been observing closely.

For those that can't yet ascertain which of our receivers is the future, it's a very good thing our Front Office made a decision others can't even recognize.

Jacoby???? Really? If Jacoby was a good WR he would've seen the field more often. He made two big recieving plays in the playoff run. He didn't have good hands. He was the definition of a home run threat and I would take Perriman over him any day of the week as a reciever. I agree that we let a good return man go who can change the game on a fly, but it's not like it'll screw us over or anything.

Smith is going to be good. He may not be a #1 anymore, but he's still going to be a physical WR. Something we need. Aiken was okay as a number 3. Marlon was hurt a lot of last year but did help with some 3rd down conversions. Campanaro has a rapport with Joe in limited action. I hope he can cut down on the injuries.

Quit complaining. We haven't played a down of football. We have depth. We are far and away better off than we were two years ago. I believe in Perriman at the very worst being Torrey Smith 2.0(not a bad thing), and Maxx down the line turning into a good TE.

[January J]

Some have not been watching or paying attention.

We lost Torrey Smith and Denis Pitta. Jacoby Jones was relegated to a pure returner last year, but we lost his take the top off the coverage function. There was high hope for Perriman but he's already looking to overcome some nicks. Hopefully he will, but that's not a good start.

Steve Smith is 36, he really looked tired at times last year. He's good, but he's not what he was. Crampanero is injury prone. Marlon Brown has disappeared. Aiken was less than reliable. Butler was IR.

We need a receiver to replace a man we cut. A mistake we have yet to overcome.

Anyone who believes our receivers are a sure thing, has not been observing closely.

For those that can't yet ascertain which of our receivers is the future, it's a very good thing our Front Office made a decision others can't even recognize.

Aiken less than reliable? What you talkin bout Willis

[jazz1988]

Waller is a beast! Sadly, it seems that the Ravens WR system will not allow him to be on the field much. Maybe in his 3rd season, we will see more of Waller, and what he can really bring to the table with Flacco.

Ravens WR's seem to have to get in line, and take a number. The guys they percieve that are ahead of him will get the reps, unless they telegraph a fade play in the endzone. Seen this movie before.

 

Waller been making plays in practice but according to reports and camp notes ...Jeremy Butler and Kamar Aiken have been the real stars in training camp so far.

[Guest]

Aiken less than reliable? What you talkin bout Willis

 

Hmmm...

 

267 yards....2014

Injured Reserve 2013 

1 game no catches 2012

2 games no catches 2011

 

Something like that Pomeroy

Waller been making plays in practice but according to reports and camp notes ...Jeremy Butler and Kamar Aiken have been the real stars in training camp so far.

 

Stars?....there are no stars in training camp.  They are not going full out in training camp.

I don't see anyone saying our receivers are a sure thing - they're certainly not.

And that includes Waller especially.

First he's got to make the team, which I suspect he will. But expecting him to start or even contribute heavily is a huge stretch.

Claiming he's the key to a Super Bowl? Pretty absurd.

And, those that have been paying attention know that Aiken has probably been the most reliable of the group.

Jacoby, aside from the 2012 playoffs didn't take the top off any defense. You're not a threat if you can't catch.

Perriman will be fine.

I like Wallers potential, but I doubt he's anything more than a situation red zone target this year.

 

Never said Waller would start the first game.

Already addressed Aiken, but disagree on the training camp assessment.

Not sure why Jacoby Jones wasn't targeted, but he wasn't. He still played a role last year for underneath men.

We have plenty of concerns, safety, defensive line, wide receiver. Of all three positions, wide receiver has the most potential to vault us over the top, but not by the men most think.

I do believe Waller will be starting sooner rather than later.  You may genuflect when the day arrives.

[jazz1988]

 

Stars?....there are no stars in training camp.  They are not going full out in training camp.

 

Since I constantly see reports concerning  any team about  certain players  whom have been stars in training camp I have to disagree on your statement that there is no stars in training camp.. Since you don't believe in training camp stars let me just say this Waller been making plays in training camp but Aiken and Butler stand out more according to training camp reports.. Overall none of this stuff matters if these guys can't show anything in preseason games.

Edited August 11, 2015 by jazz1988

[Gordo52]

So it's officially confirmed Steve won't be back next season... I wonder how that effects, if it even does, Wallers chances of making the team this season.

They drafted him knowing he's a project. Even if he can't contribute this year, will we potentially reach to keep him in hopes of a year under his belt and familiarity in the offense/chemistry having a big impact on him, putting him ahead of any outside receiver we bring in next season?

It's still early but I would be surprised to see him take any snaps over Smith,Perriman,Brown,Camp,Aiken or Butler/Carter... Potential IR stash? Or better yet, what's the % of him actually making the roster and being active?

...WR will still be a glaring need going into next offseason.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Hmmm...

267 yards....2014

Injured Reserve 2013

1 game no catches 2012

2 games no catches 2011

Something like that Pomeroy

Stars?....there are no stars in training camp. They are not going full out in training camp.

Never said Waller would start the first game.

Already addressed Aiken, but disagree on the training camp assessment.

Not sure why Jacoby Jones wasn't targeted, but he wasn't. He still played a role last year for underneath men.

We have plenty of concerns, safety, defensive line, wide receiver. Of all three positions, wide receiver has the most potential to vault us over the top, but not by the men most think.

I do believe Waller will be starting sooner rather than later. You may genuflect when the day arrives.

With Aiken - there's a difference between "unreliable" and "not called upon."

When you're not asked to do much, not given great opportunity, but you do take advantage of all the small ones you get - that's not unreliability.

Unused, sure. Not ready? Maybe. But unreliable?.... Hardly.

Edited August 11, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[ravensfan160]

If we carry 7 WR then I think Waller is a lock to make the team. There is just too much upside with him. It will get interesting if we only carry 6 WR though since Waller likely won't contribute much on special teams. We all should know by now how big a deal that is for Harbaugh when building the bottom of his depth chart.

[Guest]

With Aiken - there's a difference between "unreliable" and "not called upon."

When you're not asked to do much, not given great opportunity, but you do take advantage of all the small ones you get - that's not unreliability.

Unused, sure. Not ready? Maybe. But unreliable?.... Hardly.

 

Aggregation of circumstances..."the big picture".

 

Separation will occur, "-  Rookie receiver Darren Waller beat Webb on a seam route down the sideline that went for about a 60-yard touchdown. Quarterback Joe Flacco hit Waller perfectly in stride and the big receiver cruised into the end zone."

 

It's not so much he caught a perfect Flacco pass. It's the size and speed to gain separation from our #2 corner.

 

Most of training camp is "yada yada".

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/News-And-Notes-810-Returner-Competition-Takes-Center-Stage-/349af751-8bcc-4226-a62a-e692823d82b0