Welcome to Baltimore: Darren Waller

[SeaHawk]

I'm thinking a faster Vincent Jackson. Jackson isn't the quickest in his routes, but he wins in jump ball situations, has sneaky athleticism, and can go down the field.

[cushrinada1986]

The sneaky long striding speed of this guy is going to really mess up a DC's day. At the combine he ran a 40 time faster then that of a good amount of smaller WR's then him. His time of 4.46 is 0.01 slower then Davante Parker, and overall faster then that of Dukes Jamison Crowder and ECU's Justin Hardy. I would risk putting this guy on the 53 man roster just because teams like SD, NE, PIT, and DET would love to have WR like this they can just take down field on a rainbow bomb to the corner of the end zone. What I also like about this guy is that he is still 240lbs!? 30 lbs heavier then our biggest CB jimmy smith. That means more than likely your looking at a lot of LB and S matchups potentially and with his speed, its a done deal off the line of scrimmage.Also, at 240, you basically have a secondary FB out there in the slot or outside which will make those running lanes a little less crowded this year. Nothing helps a running attack like big bodied and blocking capable receivers. Max Williams, Gilmore, Boyle, Waller, Brown, and Brashad can all use their size to really dominate over smaller corners in the running game which should open up down field for some long bomb scores. If Williams and Waller can both manage to get on the field for some serious snaps during the regular season, Ravens offense could be the most dangerous its ever been....

[outkast1]

Yea and Bryn Renner is taking Flacco's.

Watch and see my brother !

[mattw69]

mattw69, on 05 May 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

I've been saying this on here since way before the draft....Waller will be a TE. He's as tall as Gronk and Graham, but faster than both. Even with putting on 15lb, he will be lightning fast for a TE.

I don't think The Ravens view him as a tight end. His timed speed and etc at The NFL Combine is very similar to Mike Evans and Kelvin Benjamin whom both are receivers where some thought would be better as tight ends than receivers.

 

• According to Harbaugh, sixth-round WR Darren Waller could potentially be utilized as a pass-catching tight end. (Aaron Wilson) 

[ravensnick]

I get that, but with his rare combo of soft hands, an elite frame and feet for his size.  What would make you take 25 other WRs in the draft before him.  Oh well, Im fine with it! lol

900 total receving yards through 4 years of playing. Or like half of what Amari Cooper got last season.

[ellicottraven]

 

mattw69, on 05 May 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

 

• According to Harbaugh, sixth-round WR Darren Waller could potentially be utilized as a pass-catching tight end. (Aaron Wilson) 

 

I think what Harbaugh said was anybody could line up as a TE and cited an example of Marshawn Lynch lining up that way in the SB. He also made it clear that given Waller's body type he couldn't be expected to block like a TE.

[January J]

So excited to see how this guy pans out- he just seems like one of those sleeper picks and i think we may have struck gold. Also excited to see how they use him. Will be interesting to see him line up at tight end in the redzone and cause defenses to panic. Ahh I'm gonna love it

[jazz1988]

 

mattw69, on 05 May 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

 

• According to Harbaugh, sixth-round WR Darren Waller could potentially be utilized as a pass-catching tight end. (Aaron Wilson) 

 

 

That doesn't mean he will be used  as  a pass catching tight end or that they envision him as a tight end . 

Edited May 13, 2015 by jazz1988

[January J]

That doesn't mean he will be used as a pass catching tight end or that they envision him as a tight end .

no but they will line him up there occasionally just to switch things up.

[Purple_City39]

Baltimore on the 5 yard line with a 1st and goal.  They line up 4 wide with Waller and Perriman on the right (Perriman inside), Brown and Williams on the left (Williams inside).  Forsett the lone back to block and/or be a check down.

 

The defense panics as they all realize they won't stop this TD.

 

This is what I look forward to this season

[DomMcRaven]

Baltimore on the 5 yard line with a 1st and goal.  They line up 4 wide with Waller and Perriman on the right (Perriman inside), Brown and Williams on the left (Williams inside).  Forsett the lone back to block and/or be a check down.

 

The defense panics as they all realize they won't stop this TD.

 

This is what I look forward to this season

I've been saying this for a long time. Who (other from maybe Seattle) would be able to stop this?

[GrimCoconut]

I've been saying this for a long time. Who (other from maybe Seattle) would be able to stop this?

I actually don't know if the Seahawks can stop it...in theory. They've gotten weaker at CB and have lost key personnel in terms of staff. I know that's something we're used to hearing against the Ravens but it won't be easy for them. They have their work cut out for them, and they'll be on the road. They do have Wagner, Thomas, Sherman and Chancellor to go against Allen or Forsett, Perriman, Brown, Williams, Pitta?, Waller, Gillmore, Boyle and Smith. I'd actually go to a 3TE package at the goal line with something like this...

Brown | Gillmore | EM | KO | JZ | MY | RW | Boyle | Perriman/Brown

JF

JA

You pretty much make it tough for them to ascertain whether it's a run or pass. I've seen Seattle struggle with TE as well.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

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mattw69, on 05 May 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

• According to Harbaugh, sixth-round WR Darren Waller could potentially be utilized as a pass-catching tight end. (Aaron Wilson)

With the transformation of the TE position and specialization where you now typically have 2 TE's, one who's a pass catcher and one who's a blocking specialist, does it really matter what you call him?

Is there really any difference between a humongous WR that is an exceptional blocker and a lightning fast TE that's slightly undersized (weight-wise), a decent blocker and with really good hands as a pass catching weapon?

I mean at that point you're describing the exact same thing, just throwing a different label on it. Forget titles - he is what he is - a dangerous receiving threat with exceptional athleticism for his size who uses that size well to block the outside in the run game and is a matchup nightmare in the passing game... Who is raw in his technique and route running.

TE/WR? Who cares. He's another potential weapon.

[DomMcRaven]

I actually don't know if the Seahawks can stop it...in theory. They've gotten weaker at CB and have lost key personnel in terms of staff. I know that's something we're used to hearing against the Ravens but it won't be easy for them. They have their work cut out for them, and they'll be on the road. They do have Wagner, Thomas, Sherman and Chancellor to go against Allen or Forsett, Perriman, Brown, Williams, Pitta?, Waller, Gillmore, Boyle and Smith. I'd actually go to a 3TE package at the goal line with something like this...

Brown | Gillmore | EM | KO | JZ | MY | RW | Boyle | Perriman/Brown

JF

JA

You pretty much make it tough for them to ascertain whether it's a run or pass. I've seen Seattle struggle with TE as well.

And that's the reason why I said maybe because of the reasons you mentioned. I'm a little surprised that Williams isn't your package, but I could see something like this too. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

You know, you're very astute for a Cogenhagener. You're joking right? You're really an NFL scout aren't you?

If not, I hereby award you Polynesian with the honorary title of "Astute Judge of NFL Caliber Wide Receiver Talent". There's a medal as well and a cup of coffee. But seriously, I'm impressed.

The only analysis provided in his post was that he thought Waller looked smooth in his routes in the rookie camp vids.

So unless you saw some video of him tripping over his own feet while running routes I don't know why you're ripping the guy.

He didn't say that according to his evaluation he thinks Waller projects to be as good as Calvin Johnson which is clearly what you're insinuating with your overly sarcastic post (the use of sarcasm was poor by the way, and my "astute" analysis of sarcasm comes with my honorary title of "Astute Judge of 3rd Grade Level Use of Sarcasm and Vocabulary").

Your reading comprehension is off the charts. It's obvious that you thoroughly read his post and have a clear understanding that the phrase "I hope he's Calvin Johnson" is not the same as "according to my evaluation he will be similar to Calvin Johnson."

/Sarcasm

Thank you for taking the time to completely misunderstand one of our Flock member's innocent and enthusiastic post which included minimal analysis which actually was "astute" followed by an optimistic wish that you misconstrued as player evaluation; and then make a failed attempt to make fun of the poster which only backfired by highlighting your own "astute" reading comprehension.

We all appreciate your contributions to the conversation. I know that I personally will turn to you when in need of some comprehensive, in depth player analysis or evaluation since you've clearly crowned yourself an authority on the matter. Never again will I recommend anyone post even minor conclusions about a players ability or their optimistic preseason dreams of what a player could be without first getting the seal of approval from you, sir.

Danny D. I now know what the "D" stands for.

[Guest]

The only analysis provided in his post was that he thought Waller looked smooth in his routes in the rookie camp vids.

So unless you saw some video of him tripping over his own feet while running routes I don't know why you're ripping the guy.

He didn't say that according to his evaluation he thinks Waller projects to be as good as Calvin Johnson which is clearly what you're insinuating with your overly sarcastic post (the use of sarcasm was poor by the way, and my "astute" analysis of sarcasm comes with my honorary title of "Astute Judge of 3rd Grade Level Use of Sarcasm and Vocabulary").

Your reading comprehension is off the charts. It's obvious that you thoroughly read his post and have a clear understanding that the phrase "I hope he's Calvin Johnson" is not the same as "according to my evaluation he will be similar to Calvin Johnson."

/Sarcasm

Thank you for taking the time to completely misunderstand one of our Flock member's innocent and enthusiastic post which included minimal analysis which actually was "astute" followed by an optimistic wish that you misconstrued as player evaluation; and then make a failed attempt to make fun of the poster which only backfired by highlighting your own "astute" reading comprehension.

We all appreciate your contributions to the conversation. I know that I personally will turn to you when in need of some comprehensive, in depth player analysis or evaluation since you've clearly crowned yourself an authority on the matter. Never again will I recommend anyone post even minor conclusions about a players ability or their optimistic preseason dreams of what a player could be without first getting the seal of approval from you, sir.

Danny D. I now know what the "D" stands for.

 

You know, only read the smallest portion of your story and moved on to a succinct reply, in part because they always scored me at the very top in reading comprehension.  (Scored pretty low in math though.)   

 

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/63056-3-wrs-for-oz/page-1

 

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/63692-welcome-to-baltimore-darren-waller/?p=2148417

 

No worries, text alone can sometimes be misinterpreted.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Did you guys see the rookie camp video and the bit with Harbaugh talking to Waller?

I like it. Catching the coaches eye already.

[Underdogsontop!]

This guy will be a mis match nightmare for teams with small DB's... Cough, cough... Steelers.lol

[Mad Puppy]

 

Lets be honest here, there is a lot of speculation as if Waller is the 2nd comming or something....He is going to have a tough time making the team. there are 3 TE ahead of him, and being the 7th WR is most likely.

Bottom line Ozzie getting 50% in the draft is considered good.

This is the last guy drafted. there has been several guys (in Baltimore) with physical traits similar to Waller who have not worked out. And guys even more successful at the college level with awesome physical traits, that have just not worked out in the NFL let alone on the Ravens.

 

Add to this his School/Team susppensions to start both of the last two season, and I just wonder if he gets it? there is a good possibility he is knucklehead and will be out of the NFL in two years.

I like the optimism, but realistically I'm skeptical.

Edited May 14, 2015 by Mad Puppy

[Purple_City39]

Lets be honest here, there is a lot of speculation as if Waller is the 2nd comming or something....He is going to have a tough time making the team. there are 3 TE ahead of him, and being the 7th WR is most likely.

 

Who are the 6 WRs ahead of him?

Even if you could Perriman and every WR from the roster last season, that's only 5 (Perriman, Smith Sr, Brown, Camp, Aiken).  Unless you're calling out people for expecting a 6th rounder to take than #6 spot while you assume that spot will go to an undrafted player

[January J]

Baltimore on the 5 yard line with a 1st and goal. They line up 4 wide with Waller and Perriman on the right (Perriman inside), Brown and Williams on the left (Williams inside). Forsett the lone back to block and/or be a check down.

The defense panics as they all realize they won't stop this TD.

This is what I look forward to this season

me too buddy, me too. It's gonna be a beautiful thing.

[baltimorefan328]

This is probably said a lot but Waller just feels different. Waller seems determined to seek out Perriman. It was pretty amazing to me how heavily featured Waller was, keep in mind 8 guys were drafted ahead of him, in the Ravens 3 wired rookie camp videos. I dont remember much about Harper or Streeter or other guys and their attitudes, but this guy just seems to have a relentless attitude and doesnt just want to succeed, but wants to be as good as and better than Perriman, which I love. He's also a very smart player and I'm thinking he's going to pick up as much as possible from Engram and steve smith every day he can

[January J]

This is probably said a lot but Waller just feels different. Waller seems determined to seek out Perriman. It was pretty amazing to me how heavily featured Waller was, keep in mind 8 guys were drafted ahead of him, in the Ravens 3 wired rookie camp videos. I dont remember much about Harper or Streeter or other guys and their attitudes, but this guy just seems to have a relentless attitude and doesnt just want to succeed, but wants to be as good as and better than Perriman, which I love. He's also a very smart player and I'm thinking he's going to pick up as much as possible from Engram and steve smith every day he can

I know exactly what you mean. He puts off a good vibe - it just seems like he was one if those sleeper picks that turns out to be gold. He may not turn into Calvin Johnson - but I have a strong feeling he will be somethin special.

[Guest]

Waller is a mortal lock.

 

Say goodbye to a couple veteran receivers you'all thought were gonna be stalwarts with their chance this season and just remember when you pick pedigree don't pick a dog that is genetically proven to more liable to bite you!

 

Waller is a purebred

 

 

 

Lets be honest here, there is a lot of speculation as if Waller is the 2nd comming or something....He is going to have a tough time making the team. there are 3 TE ahead of him, and being the 7th WR is most likely.

Bottom line Ozzie getting 50% in the draft is considered good.

This is the last guy drafted. there has been several guys (in Baltimore) with physical traits similar to Waller who have not worked out. And guys even more successful at the college level with awesome physical traits, that have just not worked out in the NFL let alone on the Ravens.

 

Add to this his School/Team susppensions to start both of the last two season, and I just wonder if he gets it? there is a good possibility he is knucklehead and will be out of the NFL in two years.

I like the optimism, but realistically I'm skeptical.

[Edgar]

I am liking Waller. Pretty bright guy who definitely says all the right things. Watching he and Perriman come up together, work together could be really special.

He appears gigantic. And Not just because he 6 foot 6.

In fact it seems to be a theme this year. All these guys are very long limbed.....Perriman, Maxx , Waller

[rmw10]

I'm really starting to love Waller.  I've been checking out all of the minicamp "wired" series and his mentality is right to my liking.  Obviously, we need to see what he looks like on the field as well, but the guy has the right attitude.  He seems like a very intelligent guy.

[jazz1988]

Waller is a mortal lock.

 

Say goodbye to a couple veteran receivers you'all thought were gonna be stalwarts with their chance this season and just remember when you pick pedigree don't pick a dog that is genetically proven to more liable to bite you!

 

Waller is a purebred

 

So I guess you expecting him to beat out Marlon Brown and Kamar Aiken. If that's true then we shall see.  I'm not really expecting Waller to be The Ravens number 3 or 4 receiver right away and he's going to have to impress on special teams  especially if he isn't a starter.

[JoeyFlex5]

 

Lets be honest here, there is a lot of speculation as if Waller is the 2nd comming or something....He is going to have a tough time making the team. there are 3 TE ahead of him, and being the 7th WR is most likely.

Bottom line Ozzie getting 50% in the draft is considered good.

This is the last guy drafted. there has been several guys (in Baltimore) with physical traits similar to Waller who have not worked out. And guys even more successful at the college level with awesome physical traits, that have just not worked out in the NFL let alone on the Ravens.

 

Add to this his School/Team susppensions to start both of the last two season, and I just wonder if he gets it? there is a good possibility he is knucklehead and will be out of the NFL in two years.

I like the optimism, but realistically I'm skeptical.

i understand this also, and ive kept all this in mind, but when you watch these rookie minicamp videos, he looks different from the rest of the H/W/S/no-hands project receivers weve drafted, he has the full frame to handle the nfl and isnt just a 6'6" rail, he has good hands and good ball skills overall while the others were pure body catchers who dropped everything thrown their way, and among all this he looks like he moves really well for his size, which had me shocked honestly.

[stampedehero]

Let's see if there's room... Steve Smith Sr, Breshad Perriman, Marlon Brown, Kamar Aiken, Michael Campanaro makes 5... if we carry 6 it'll be between Waller, Jeremy Butler, and a few other camp bodies.

One will go PS so I see Butler getting his due and Waller placed in purgatory. I hope we can hold all 6.  Perhaps an IR candidate is in there.   Maybe the team will assign Camp as the Punt Returner

[stampedehero]

Who are the 6 WRs ahead of him?

Even if you could Perriman and every WR from the roster last season, that's only 5 (Perriman, Smith Sr, Brown, Camp, Aiken).  Unless you're calling out people for expecting a 6th rounder to take than #6 spot while you assume that spot will go to an undrafted player

Butler