Welcome to Baltimore: Za'Darius Smith, Javorius Allen and Tray Walker

[GrimCoconut]

Anyone else impressed by Smith? I think he's done remarkably well with the dumpster fire of a pass rush on the field. He and Dumervil are some of the bright spots. I like him better than Courtney "Can't Rush the Passer" Upshaw.

[rmw10]

Anyone else impressed by Smith? I think he's done remarkably well with the dumpster fire of a pass rush on the field. He and Dumervil are some of the bright spots. I like him better than Courtney "Can't Rush the Passer" Upshaw.

 

I have been.  I wasn't expecting it being how up and down he was in the preseason, but I think he's progressing very nicely.  He might not be making a huge impact on the stat book necessarily, but I feel when he comes in there's a good chance there's going to be some sort of pressure.  He still gets stymied at the line on occasion, but I think he's trending upwards.

[PurpleCity5]

Anyone else impressed by Smith? I think he's done remarkably well with the dumpster fire of a pass rush on the field. He and Dumervil are some of the bright spots. I like him better than Courtney "Can't Rush the Passer" Upshaw.

I've been impressed. He struggled early on but caught on since then. Iv said this before and Im confident in this, he should start over Upshaw. Id love to see him get passed that 6 sack mark, it would be nice to see him prove those doubters wrong.

Edited October 25, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

I do think Tray Walker should get some reps, but I wouldn't start him. Hes a project and last time I checked he hasn't really earned any reps, the only reason why I think he should get some is because of the injuries to CB with Webb and Davis out.

Edited October 25, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Cillmatic]

I still don't understand why people keep suggesting this. He's from Texas Southern. I'm not sure I recall many guys coming from that school. I also didn't even expect him to do much this year. People even said that he needed work and was a project. I'm not sure why people want to throw the bust label around. Yeah, throw a rookie CB out there who isn't ready and let him possibly lose confidence on the field when he will invariably make a mistake.

Arrington and shareece wright don't know what they're doing either. Why not play him? What is confidence if he never plays or practices against good players? Edited October 25, 2015 by Cillmatic

[PurpleCity5]

Arrington and shareece wright don't know what they're doing either. Why not play him?

Arrignton and Wright are still better. Walker won't help the cause at all, I think later on if this team piles the loses he'll get his reps, but as of now I wouldn't even put him out there.

[GrimCoconut]

I've been impressed. He struggled early on but caught on since then. Iv said this before and Im confident in this, he should start over Upshaw. Id love to see him get passed that 6 sack mark, it would be nice to see him prove those doubters wrong.

I actually think he got more snaps last week than Upshaw? Don't quote me on that! lol

[GrimCoconut]

Arrington and shareece wright don't know what they're doing either. Why not play him? What is confidence if he never plays or practices against good players?

Well, because you don't want to just throw a guy out there who has no idea what he is doing yet. He needs experience, 100% agreed, but that doesn't make him the best option because others are struggling. These guys know NFL offenses even if they're not that good. 

 

Let me ask you a question: who are you going to go see, a lawyer who may not be that great but he's average or a brand new lawyer who just graduated law school from Goucher? Don't read into things too much here, please. 

[Cillmatic]

Arrignton and Wright are still better. Walker won't help the cause at all, I think later on if this team piles the loses he'll get his reps, but as of now I wouldn't even put him out there.

Wright is better than Walker? that's a scary thought if that's true. Wright is an arena football level player. Might as well not even bother. Not like walkers gonna get any better practicing against the bums we have playing WR and the inconsistent infant we have at QB.

[52520Andrew]

I still don't understand why people keep suggesting this. He's from Texas Southern. I'm not sure I recall many guys coming from that school. I also didn't even expect him to do much this year. People even said that he needed work and was a project. I'm not sure why people want to throw the bust label around. Yeah, throw a rookie CB out there who isn't ready and let him possibly lose confidence on the field when he will invariably make a mistake. 

 

Nope, he is a bust, don't you see all those other 4th round rookie CBs who are crushing it on the field right now?

[52520Andrew]

Anyone else impressed by Smith? I think he's done remarkably well with the dumpster fire of a pass rush on the field. He and Dumervil are some of the bright spots. I like him better than Courtney "Can't Rush the Passer" Upshaw.

 

He has gotten better, would love to see him do better against the run as he struggled there in the preseason(have not seen how he has done in that aspect lately) but he has at least gotten some pressure and sacks.

[FlackAttack]

Well, because you don't want to just throw a guy out there who has no idea what he is doing yet. He needs experience, 100% agreed, but that doesn't make him the best option because others are struggling. These guys know NFL offenses even if they're not that good. 

 

Let me ask you a question: who are you going to go see, a lawyer who may not be that great but he's average or a brand new lawyer who just graduated law school from Goucher? Don't read into things too much here, please. 

 

that is a terrible comparison. a lawyer who represents one person intellectually compared to a piece of a puzzle that contributes to an entire collaborated team physically is so contradicting its insane.

 

signing wright (and givens) who were both bums and 4th string benched players to this team only to throw them on the field right away ahead of recent invested drafted players just shows the desperation of this organization. this management firm of the ravens has folded their cards after week 2 and it just reeks of incompetence.

[PurpleCity5]

Wright is better than Walker? that's a scary thought if that's true. Wright is an arena football level player. Might as well not even bother. Not like walkers gonna get any better practicing against the bums we have playing WR and the inconsistent infant we have at QB.

Like Grim said, Walker isn't up to date with NFL offenses, and Wright and Arrington know about reading the QB and NFL routes. That's not anything against Walkers skill, that's just the way it is. This is very typical with many NFL CBs taken mid-late rounds who are developmental prospects. Throwing him a fire is not ideal. Granted, he could benefit from a couple of reps, but you shouldn't start him.

[-Truth-]

Arrington and shareece wright don't know what they're doing either. Why not play him? What is confidence if he never plays or practices against good players?

 

I'm with you there with regards to Wright. I don't want to jump the gun on Wright and judge his future based on one game, but considering the laundry list of awful performances he's had through the years, it's likely that he isn't the long-term answer and there's a strong chance that he doesn't find a way on our roster come next season, especially if he doesn't improve from hereon in. However, it's hard to bank on the improvement given his track record. I'd prefer to take the unknown that could be a disappointment over a proven disappointment. There isn't much of a risk and the aspect of mystery denotes some level of upside.

[FlackAttack]

Like Grim said, Walker isn't up to date with NFL offenses, and Wright and Arrington know about reading the QB and NFL routes. That's not anything against Walkers skill, that's just the way it is. This is very typical with many NFL CBs taken mid-late rounds who are developmental prospects. Throwing him a fire is not ideal. Granted, he could benefit from a couple of reps, but you shouldn't start him.

 

nope. we drafted him 4th round. he should be ready to go if called upon. we signed him to a 2.6 mill dollar contract. he was a bad draft pick. he cant cut it in the NFL, the ravens got desperate and signed a bum off the street. simple as that.

[Cillmatic]

nope. we drafted him 4th round. he should be ready to go if called upon. we signed him to a 2.6 mill dollar contract. he was a bad draft pick. he cant cut it in the NFL, the ravens got desperate and signed a bum off the street. simple as that.

Well now you're just being irrational. The question was if he can't get on the field when we literally have no more than 1 starting caliber player is he just a really bad player. You take it to the extreme.

[Cillmatic]

Most 4th round CB's don't start, but when the team they're on is as bad as ours and if the secondary is as putrid as ours they should see some playing time.

[rmw10]

nope. we drafted him 4th round. he should be ready to go if called upon. we signed him to a 2.6 mill dollar contract. he was a bad draft pick. he cant cut it in the NFL, the ravens got desperate and signed a bum off the street. simple as that.

 

Yeah, man.  Look at all of those other 4th round picks around the league that aren't starting.  They're clearly bad picks too.

 

 

/sarcasm

[Winchester]

It is time to reboot the defense and team

when fans are talking and hoping zadarius Smith is some kind of building block or cornerstone for a future dominant defense. I like him better than I ever did Upshaw(I said he is a colossal bust\scrub from the jump) but I do not see him as an impact defender. Productive but not impact. Now Bud Dupree is a dude the fo should have targeted!! He is a super hero playing with mortals. He was called raw but I said he would get 6-8 sacks as a rookie on sheer raw talent,power and explosion. Looks like he will exceed my expectations. He would have been an awesome replacement for T.S. As for Zadarius he has some potential. Heavy hands, and tackler, decent athleticism for a 280 lb player,plays hard but if the goal is a championship he will leave you wanting a little more and staring at, admiring and lusting after the prettier rush olbs out there. Just my $.02.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Not gonna happen.

Man I'm glad the fans do not run this team.

[Winchester]

Not gonna happen.

Man I'm glad the fans do not run this team.

What is not going to happen??

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

What is not going to happen??

A full on revamp of Ozzie and co. Sorry. I doubt it. ZDS is fine btw. May not be an impact player but has turned into a good pass rusher... Something that is very valuable.

[PurpleCity5]

A full on revamp of Ozzie and co. Sorry. I doubt it. ZDS is fine btw. May not be an impact player but has turned into a good pass rusher... Something that is very valuable.

I chuckle at these notions that Oz will be gone. By the sounds of it you'd think we would have lost all five of our games by 30. We could very EASILY be 5-1 if it weren't for this piss poor defense. 

[Winchester]

A full on revamp of Ozzie and co. Sorry. I doubt it. ZDS is fine btw. May not be an impact player but has turned into a good pass rusher... Something that is very valuable.

I never said Ozzie is getting booted. I said the team needs to reboot. He is not a "good" edge rushers yet. Elite is Justin Houston. Good is a player that is consistently around 10 sacks like Chris Long. A good edge rushers is an impact player.

[Winchester]

I chuckle at these notions that Oz will be gone. By the sounds of it you'd think we would have lost all five of our games by 30. We could very EASILY be 5-1 if it weren't for this piss poor defense.

Is the piss poor defense going to get better next year?? Suggs Dumervil, Webb, and Daryl Smith finding a fountain of youth?? Lewis, Upshaw going to find talent?? Jimmy going to find consistency?? Mosley going to learn how to cover?? Oh and BTW all these players except the free agents are on the books for significant cap hits. However I do expect Mosley to rebound. Edited October 25, 2015 by Winchester

[PurpleCity5]

Is the piss poor defense going to get better next year?? Suggs Dumervil, Webb, and Daryl Smith finding a fountain of youth?? Lewis, Upshaw going to find talent?? Jimmy going to find consistency?? Mosley going to learn how to cover?? Oh and BTW all these players except the free agents are on the books for significant cap hits. However I do expect Mosley to rebound.

Well, there's no way they'll get worse so I do anticipate they'll get better. This defense is bad and we shouldn't be playing this poorly, I'll admit it, but I don't feel its talent that's holding these players back, I feel that they just don't have that energy and lack toughness, I think that went out the window with Suggs injury. I see no reason to fire Oz, I think when you look at it we usually bounce back when we put up a bad season. I think he deserves some blame for what has happened, but at the same time I'll wait before I actually call for his job. 

Edited October 25, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Winchester]

Well, there's no way they'll get worse so I do anticipate they'll get better. This defense is bad and we shouldn't be playing this poorly, I'll admit it, but I don't feel its talent that's holding these players back, I feel that they just don't have that energy and lack toughness, I think that went out the window with Suggs injury. I see no reason to fire Oz, I think when you look at it we usually bounce back when we put up a bad season. I think he deserves some blame for what has happened, but at the same time I'll wait before I actually call for his job.

Very fair assessment of Ozzie. I will say this I think Ozzie was very lucky at times. I received some inside the organization scoops on bad decisions made by oz that I did not know about. And I do not have a good opinion of OZ. However as lucky as he is, he made nice picks and decisions that resulted in Superbowls. And he deserves a shot to reboot the defense and team. However if none of this drafts picks show up as impact players by next year and if he gets no immediate production on next rookie class, he then should be on the hot seat.

[rmw10]

Very fair assessment of Ozzie. I will say this I think Ozzie was very lucky at times. I received some inside the organization scoops on bad decisions made by oz that I did not know about. And I do not have a good opinion of OZ. However as lucky as he is, he made nice picks and decisions that resulted in Superbowls. And he deserves a shot to reboot the defense and team. However if none of this drafts picks show up as impact players by next year and if he gets no immediate production on next rookie class, he then should be on the hot seat.

 

lol

[PurpleCity5]

Very fair assessment of Ozzie. I will say this I think Ozzie was very lucky at times. I received some inside the organization scoops on bad decisions made by oz that I did not know about. And I do not have a good opinion of OZ. However as lucky as he is, he made nice picks and decisions that resulted in Superbowls. And he deserves a shot to reboot the defense and team. However if none of this drafts picks show up as impact players by next year and if he gets no immediate production on next rookie class, he then should be on the hot seat.

Inside scoop? Lol please share. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

lol

Did Ozzie cause the Greek stock crash too? Makes so much sense