Welcome to Baltimore, Carl Davis

[GrimCoconut]

Buck Allen basically said the same thing about USC, I think they just don't want to sound overwhelmed or like their school didn't prepare them adequately, these guys take a lot of pride in the programs they come from and don't want to paint them in a bad light by saying the speed of practice wasn't what they are used to.

Plus this is just rookie mini-camp, I actually take them at their word when they say it's not a big jump from their college practices.. because it's not supposed to be. It's just meant to let the rookie's wet their beaks and get familiar with the coaching staff and the NFL practice environment. I wouldn't read that far into it, let's wait until TC starts, that's where the real grind begins and we find out what these kids are really made of.

Yeah you're right thanks for reminding me of him. I felt the same way for a while but I do recall some rookies saying it and it not livi proving true on the field and that's where my concern originates. I'm hopeful that your belief and my original thoughts are correct and that my recent concern doesn't prove correct.

[GrimCoconut]

^ I remember Mosley saying the same thing about an easy transition and he was right. Said it was basically the same minus the lingo

Yeah that's true. I'm hoping that's all it is and not arrogance. They all seem like good guys who know they need to improve.

[January J]

^ I remember Mosley saying the same thing about an easy transition and he was right. Said it was basically the same minus the lingo

if you watch the video of harbaughs speech to the rookies he said that Mosley approached him and made a comment about how long and tough the season was. Harbaugh was like dude it's not even December yet! Lol these guys might not see it in rookie camp- but wait until the ball gets Rollin and they will see the difference. I'm sure college is tough but the nfl is no joke- it takes a toll on you. I'm thinking that Carl Davis will fit in extremely well here. I just like the vibe he puts off. Also thinkin that upshaw busts out this year and dominates. Edited May 9, 2015 by January J

[The Raven]

Am I the only one who gets concerned when they hear rookies talk about how what they are learning in the NFL isn't very different than in college? I bring this up because Davis said in his interview that, and I paraphrase, the Ravens' scheme and the practice isn't much different than what they did in college. It's almost like you're downplaying the change and the significance of the change from college to pro. I always get concerned when I hear players say this, especially and primarily rookies. I'm hoping I'm reading into it a little much, but I recall players who didn't pan out for us saying similar things. Maybe I'm just being oversensitive, though. 

 

Depends on the school. Carl Davis is coming from a school that probably did prepare him for the NFL. It's not like schemes are completely different from college to NFL. It's really the same stuff-- it's just more of it.

[Purple Nurple]

@RavensInsider: Ravens third-round defensive tackle Carl Davis signed a four-year, $2.95 million contract includes a $625,048 signing bonus, per a source

That $48 though lol. Always important.

[beasy2487]

That $48 though lol. Always important.

"C'mon bro that's like 10 happy meals!" — Joe Flacco

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

This kid COULD be a steal where we got him.

In the tape I've watched he has legit 1st round ability. At times he just completely manhandles lineman; literally just like minor speed bumps in his way. He can crush a pocket and totally take a game over. For stretches of games his contribution would equate to basically eliminating an entire offensive possession from the other team.

I like the comparison I saw on here to being a Haloti Ngata-Lite or "poor man's" as the cliche goes... But imo it's accurate - both the good and the bad.

His upside is similar though not as consistent or explosive. Unfortunately from what I've seen he has the same concerns in that he doesn't have a high motor or if he does he chooses to take plays off.

It looked to me like when he wanted to dominate he did. If the game was in hand, seemingly out of reach, or for one reason or another not worth it to him he looked like he was just going through the motions... Satisfied to just occupy a blocker or force the play outside.

His pursuit when he wasn't immediately involved in a play was lackluster more often than not. And if he didn't win early when rushing I didn't see many counter moves or an ability/desire to disengage.

So, my evaluation is that the talent is there. His potential is off the charts and if he commits to working hard and staying motivated we absolutely got a steal in the third round. I wouldn't be at all surprised for him to become a well above-average starter with a long career to possibly a pro-bowl level player.

But I could also see him not becoming more than a rotational player who frustrates everyone because he'll occasionally make splash plays that just make your jaw drop but then entirely disappear the rest of the game.

He reminds me a bit of Nick Fairley as far as the spectrum of what he could become as an NFL player when he was coming out. Not saying our guy will pan out the way he did, but to me he's got similar upside/potential and concerns with consistent effort and willingness to put the extra work in to achieve his potential.

Here's hoping we get the best of him... Bc if we do him, Williams, and Jernigan will give us one of the most dominant, young d-lines in football within the next couple years and one we could keep in place for the better part of a decade.

[Sami84]

This kid COULD be a steal where we got him.

In the tape I've watched he has legit 1st round ability. At times he just completely manhandles lineman; literally just like minor speed bumps in his way. He can crush a pocket and totally take a game over. For stretches of games his contribution would equate to basically eliminating an entire offensive possession from the other team.

I like the comparison I saw on here to being a Haloti Ngata-Lite or "poor man's" as the cliche goes... But imo it's accurate - both the good and the bad.

His upside is similar though not as consistent or explosive. Unfortunately from what I've seen he has the same concerns in that he doesn't have a high motor or if he does he chooses to take plays off.

It looked to me like when he wanted to dominate he did. If the game was in hand, seemingly out of reach, or for one reason or another not worth it to him he looked like he was just going through the motions... Satisfied to just occupy a blocker or force the play outside.

His pursuit when he wasn't immediately involved in a play was lackluster more often than not. And if he didn't win early when rushing I didn't see many counter moves or an ability/desire to disengage.

So, my evaluation is that the talent is there. His potential is off the charts and if he commits to working hard and staying motivated we absolutely got a steal in the third round. I wouldn't be at all surprised for him to become a well above-average starter with a long career to possibly a pro-bowl level player.

But I could also see him not becoming more than a rotational player who frustrates everyone because he'll occasionally make splash plays that just make your jaw drop but then entirely disappear the rest of the game.

He reminds me a bit of Nick Fairley as far as the spectrum of what he could become as an NFL player when he was coming out. Not saying our guy will pan out the way he did, but to me he's got similar upside/potential and concerns with consistent effort and willingness to put the extra work in to achieve his potential.

Here's hoping we get the best of him... Bc if we do him, Williams, and Jernigan will give us one of the most dominant, young d-lines in football within the next couple years and one we could keep in place for the better part of a decade.

 

I question two things about him. His motor and his desire. I've been watching tape on him over the last week and what people say is true..he disappears and takes plays off. He gives up and gasses out wayyy to quickly. I have concerns over his character and the things he said while at Iowa. I don't see passion..i just see a guy who wants to make money more than be a great football player. He said he only wants to play 50% or less of snaps so he doesn't get injured or be effective.

 

What the heck?

 

thats a raven?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I question two things about him. His motor and his desire. I've been watching tape on him over the last week and what people say is true..he disappears and takes plays off. He gives up and gasses out wayyy to quickly. I have concerns over his character and the things he said while at Iowa. I don't see passion..i just see a guy who wants to make money more than be a great football player. He said he only wants to play 50% or less of snaps so he doesn't get injured or be effective.

What the heck?

thats a raven?

I hear ya, this is something I agree with you on. His potential is incredible - he can absolutely dominate. And if we get that version of him consistently it's an absolute steal.

But that concern is legit. He doesn't seem like a guy that loves playing football to me. Unless he felt like he was surrounded by guys who didn't care as much as him and that made him disenfranchised. A mindset kind of like well if these guys don't care/can't play at this level I'm not going to put my neck on the line for this.

Who knows maybe now that he's on an NFL team surrounded by NFL talent he'll become inspired to play at the top of his game. I'm hoping Brandon Williams rubs off on him - a guy who hasn't been handed anything and has had to work hard for everything.

We'll see. If there's one organization I think that can maximize his potential it's the Ravens.

[CalvinSmoke]

I may be one of the few but I didn't like his attitude since the day we drafted him. But the coaches did, and that's what matters most. He seemed to concerned about when he was drafted, if he plays well we probably won't be able to afford him after his rookie contract. But what do I know

[Sizzlebshu]

Am I the only one who gets concerned when they hear rookies talk about how what they are learning in the NFL isn't very different than in college? I bring this up because Davis said in his interview that, and I paraphrase, the Ravens' scheme and the practice isn't much different than what they did in college. It's almost like you're downplaying the change and the significance of the change from college to pro. I always get concerned when I hear players say this, especially and primarily rookies. I'm hoping I'm reading into it a little much, but I recall players who didn't pan out for us saying similar things. Maybe I'm just being oversensitive, though. 

There are two factors to this

 

1. The College game is evolving defensively. Schools are using more multiple looks and introducing more complex schemes to deal with simplified offenses. Thus, players are familiar with more schemes and the transition is easier 

 

2. Defensive line and other positions translate very easily to the nfl and share a consistency in terms of responsibility with the college level

 

I wouldn't read anything into it. If anything its a plus because it makes the learning curve easier if a player recognizes and understands a scheme. I'd be more worried about executing said scheme against higher level of competition than understanding the scheme. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

There are two factors to this

1. The College game is evolving defensively. Schools are using more multiple looks and introducing more complex schemes to deal with simplified offenses. Thus, players are familiar with more schemes and the transition is easier

2. Defensive line and other positions translate very easily to the nfl and share a consistency in terms of responsibility with the college level

I wouldn't read anything into it. If anything its a plus because it makes the learning curve easier if a player recognizes and understands a scheme. I'd be more worried about executing said scheme against higher level of competition than understanding the scheme.

Yea I wouldn't read into it. It's just a canned response, the PR team probably preps them to say it bc you hear it from everyone.

What would we think if they said otherwise. I wouldn't want to hear from a guy we just drafted to help replace a perennial probowler that he's facing a steep learning curve and is realizing that his college program didn't prepare him very well for the NFL

Even if it's the truth I don't want to hear that he's overwhelmed with the transition to the nfl. And frankly it may not be all that different than what he saw in college. I think it's a testament to changes in the nfl game where there's more emphasis on offense and scoring and a faster paced game. The pro and college game are becoming more closely aligned and you're seeing more and more rookies coming out and producing right away.

That alone brings validity to these kinds of statements from players. Regardless of the reason players seem more pro ready which speaks to the transition not being as drastic as maybe it once was.

[Sami84]

he actually reminds me a lot of devon still. A bit more beef but similar.

 

i see  a similar career. (not so great)

Edited May 25, 2015 by Sami84

[January J]

I disagree with many of you on his attitude. Some people are just diffrent and don't show their passion like others - doesn't mean it's not there. I personally loved what he said after being drafted in the 3rd round- sounds like he legitamently has a chip on his shoulder. Cleshay I know- but sounded genuine to me.

[ludy51]

I disagree with many of you on his attitude. Some people are just diffrent and don't show their passion like others - doesn't mean it's not there. I personally loved what he said after being drafted in the 3rd round- sounds like he legitamently has a chip on his shoulder. Cleshay I know- but sounded genuine to me.

*Cliché

[Sami84]

you guys are right..all he needs to do is lose 5-10 pounds..run 4.7 and get more stamina and voila

 

richard seymour

Edited May 26, 2015 by Sami84

[GrimCoconut]

you guys are right..all he needs to do is lose 5-10 pounds..run 4.7 and get more stamina and voila

richard seymour

Glad to see you've seen reason

[Sami84]

Glad to see you've seen reason

 

lol..

 

i was being sarcastic..if carl davis turns out to be richard seymour i'll end my negativity forever

[GrimCoconut]

lol..

i was being sarcastic..if carl davis turns out to be richard seymour i'll end my negativity forever

I know what you meant.

[Edgar]

I don't think I have seen Davis moved in the three games I have watched.He is very difficult to move and more often than not, he controls the guy across from him.

He is multiple and I think he makes an impact as a rotational plyer pretty early on.

[Sami84]

I don't think I have seen Davis moved in the three games I have watched.He is very difficult to move and more often than not, he controls the guy across from him.

He is multiple and I think he makes an impact as a rotational plyer pretty early on.

 

why does he struggle then at college level to get much penetration?

[redrum52]

Went back to look at a mock and Miller had Davis going to us in the 2nd. Also predicted us getting Smith and Buck in the 4th. Crazzzyyyy

[redrum52]

why does he struggle then at college level to get much penetration?

Doesn't mean he's not controlling his man. Also, could be technique and what he's asked to do.

[The Raven]

Doesn't mean he's not controlling his man. Also, could be technique and what he's asked to do.

 

Ding ding. 

[stampedehero]

1 technique freak. He has the measurable and has a knack for sacking QB. He is going to need some serious coaching and discipline for him to be productive BC ravens DEFENSE dont play!

Sorry  What??!!?

[Edgar]

why does he struggle then at college level to get much penetration?

I see him pushing the pocket and getting into the backfield regularly. I see during the games I watched, a guy with powerful hands and good quicks for a guy his size. He is routinely double teamed and on the occasions he is not, he wins way more often than not.

there are plays where he wins with quickness and plays where he wins with strength.

He'll take some time to learn at this level but I like him a lot.

[GrimCoconut]

Carl Davis has a lot going for him. We do a really really good job developing DL. I can't understate how good Brooks is. With that said, you can't squeeze blood from a turnip. We didn't get much out of Cody. One bad example doesn't exclude all the good. I have high hopes for Davis because we've proven to be capable of getting talent where it's present. If Davis fails then it'll be because of his mentality and attitude

[GrimCoconut]

Imagine him and Brandon Williams on the line at once, run game=neutralized

Don't forget Jernigan

[Cillmatic]

Well from the complete lack of coverage Davis is getting I think it's safe to say he'll be a complete known factor this season...

Probably goes for Za'darius too.

Edited June 23, 2015 by Cillmatic

[FastEddie]

Carl Davis has a lot going for him. We do a really really good job developing DL. I can't understate how good Brooks is. With that said, you can't squeeze blood from a turnip. We didn't get much out of Cody. One bad example doesn't exclude all the good. I have high hopes for Davis because we've proven to be capable of getting talent where it's present. If Davis fails then it'll be because of his mentality and attitude

 

Coach Brooks ability to coach and develop DL amazes me. Year after Year we have members of our DL hit FA to get paid and we continually reload on playmakers.

 

For that reason I was content with Ngata walking and letting Brandon Williams/Jernigan step up. I'm sure Carl Davis will play great here.

Edited June 23, 2015 by FastEddie