Welcome to Baltimore Maxx Williams TE

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

I remember watching Jesse James at the combine...I liked one thing about him and that was his height...other than that I thought he was extremely robotic and just wasn't a fluid athlete and he didn't catch the ball very well either...he did test well but I remember thinking well yeah he looks like he is testing well, but how does he translate to the NFL, and I had a hard time seeing it all add up for him. 

Also, this draft profile compares him to our very own Phil Super Duper NAW...not that I like or always agree with their comparisons.

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jesse-james?id=2552633

[K-Dog]

Steelers fans are already going on about how Jesse James will be better than Maxx. lol. Maxx reminds me so much of Todd Heap and his name is perfect for fans when he makes a big play. Instead of Heaaaaaaap. Now it will be Maxxxxxxxxxxxx!

Technically it will likly be Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax.

Rolls of the tongue a bit easier.

[sflegend89]

Steelers fans are already going on about how Jesse James will be better than Maxx. lol. Maxx reminds me so much of Todd Heap and his name is perfect for fans when he makes a big play. Instead of Heaaaaaaap. Now it will be Maxxxxxxxxxxxx!

 

Even for being a homer for your team that is beyond ridiculous. James was good value where they picked him but he's more of a reliable depth player like Spaeth than the heir to Heath Miller. James doesn't have the suddenness, athleticism, route running prowess, or soft hands that Maxx has. I almost feel bad for even giving this argument any validation by even acknowledging them in a head to head comparison because it's such a landslide.

 

They're just mad about getting jumped for Maxx and are scrambling to assuage some hurt feelings, it's an asinine comparison. I'm more interested in if James is even better than Nick Boyle, that is a legit comparison. Maxx completely outclasses James on film and every scout in the NFL would corroborate that, if you want the final nail in the Coffin.

 

Maxx Williams, (In a Power offense that rarely throws the ball):

36 rec, 569 yds, 15.6 avg, 8 TD's

 

Jesse James (In a pro style offense)

38 rec, 396 yds, 10.4 avg, 3 TD's

 

 You really want a laugh? Maxx also out produced James' 2014 numbers when he was a redshirt Freshman. Maxx was legitimately a better TE than James is now when he was 19 years old. The more you dig into this so called "comparison" the more of a mockery it becomes. Steelers fans can live in fantasy land all they want in the offseason, once the games start the cold hard reality will set in for them.

Edited May 6, 2015 by sflegend89

[RayRocks]

Even for being a homer for your team that is beyond ridiculous. James was good value where they picked him but he's more of a reliable depth player like Spaeth than the heir to Heath Miller. James doesn't have the suddenness, athleticism, route running prowess, or soft hands that Maxx has. I almost feel bad for even giving this argument any validation by even acknowledging them in a head to head comparison because it's such a landslide.

 

They're just mad about getting jumped for Maxx and are scrambling to assuage some hurt feelings, it's an asinine comparison. I'm more interested in if James is even better than Nick Boyle, that is a legit comparison. Maxx completely outclasses James on film and every scout in the NFL would corroborate that, if you want the final nail in the Coffin.

 

Maxx Williams, (In a Power offense that rarely throws the ball):

36 rec, 569 yds, 15.6 avg, 8 TD's

 

Jesse James (In a pro style offense)

38 rec, 396 yds, 10.4 avg, 3 TD's

 

 You really want a laugh? Maxx also out produced James' 2014 numbers when he was a redshirt Freshman. Maxx was legitimately a better TE than James is now when he was 19 years old. The more you dig into this so called "comparison" the more of a mockery it becomes. Steelers fans can live in fantasy land all they want in the offseason, once the games start the cold hard reality will set in for them.

 

The PSU offense threw the ball almost exactly twice as many time as the Minnesota offense, and James still only had 2 more receptions.  James was the third leading receiver on his team, and Maxx was far and away the leading receiver on his team.

 

What this tells me is that even though when teams played Minnesota, they game-planed for Maxx knowing that he was their only passing threat.  I doubt many teams really had to scheme for James as the third leading receiver.

 

By comparison - the 2nd highest rated TE in the draft (Walford) was taken 13 picks later by the Raiders.  He led his team in receptions with 44 when they passed the ball 54% more times than Minnesota did over the course of the season.  This was also with Philip Dorsett on the team (he only caught 36 balls).

 

Not to completely hijack the thread... but when looking at stats I also saw UFC threw the ball just 25 more times than Miami, and Perriman had 14 more catches and 170 more yards than Dorsett did while leading UCF in every receiving category.

 

Stats obviously don't tell the whole story, but when you put them in context with game tape, they can easily tell you who projects to be the better players.

[January J]

Solid/competent are the equivalents of great? If your assessment off the tape is that he's a terrible blocker, then I question your competency and ability to break down tape. "Every NFL analyst," what an interesting choice of words.

NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah stated that Williams was Todd Heap with better blocking ability when coming out of college. NFL.com's Charles Davis stated that Williams was Desmond Clark with better blocking ability. NFL.com's Curtis Conway commended Williams on his blocking. CBS Sports' Dane Brugler compared him to Jason Witten stating that he has the, "NFL pedigree and projects as a mismatch nightmare with the versatile traits to be equally effective as a pass-catcher and blocker." ESPN's Todd McShay states that, "He’s got the size -- 6-4, 250-ish -- averaged 16 yards a catch, good hands, adequate blocker, can improve in that area." Minnesota Vikings' GM Rick Spielman praised Williams for his improvement in blocking. ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. stated that, "what impresses you about Maxx Williams is that he can be an in-line blocker, an in-line Tight End." NFL.com's Bucky Brooks states that Williams, "is a complete Tight End. He's a guy that blocks on the edge. He's gritty, he's tough, he'll battle you from snap to whistle." Greg Cosell compared Williams to Jason Witten stating that he has, "a complete skill-set to build around as a prospect." I wonder if those assessments are closer to terrible or closer to competent.

Throughout my entire process of scouting Williams, I came across a single article that labeled him solely as an F-TE because of his blocking and it came from BleacherReport. Common sense would indicate that the members in the aforementioned list prior to the last writer qualify as NFL analysts. Let's make matters a little easier and reverse the process. Which reputable NFL analysts labeled Williams as a terrible blocker? Please fill me in. I'll add on to Inqui's post with the following

(Begin at 3:38). I'll also return from work after some time after 5 PM and I'll be more than happy to break down some of his tape if needed be.

nail in the coffin

[ravensnick]

The PSU offense threw the ball almost exactly twice as many time as the Minnesota offense, and James still only had 2 more receptions.  James was the third leading receiver on his team, and Maxx was far and away the leading receiver on his team.

 

What this tells me is that even though when teams played Minnesota, they game-planed for Maxx knowing that he was their only passing threat.  I doubt many teams really had to scheme for James as the third leading receiver.

 

By comparison - the 2nd highest rated TE in the draft (Walford) was taken 13 picks later by the Raiders.  He led his team in receptions with 44 when they passed the ball 54% more times than Minnesota did over the course of the season.  This was also with Philip Dorsett on the team (he only caught 36 balls).

 

Not to completely hijack the thread... but when looking at stats I also saw UFC threw the ball just 25 more times than Miami, and Perriman had 14 more catches and 170 more yards than Dorsett did while leading UCF in every receiving category.

 

Stats obviously don't tell the whole story, but when you put them in context with game tape, they can easily tell you who projects to be the better players.

Williams: 36 receptions, 596 yds, 8 TDs

The Gophers next three biggest receiving threats:

KJ Maye:  16 Receptions, 298 YDs, 1 TD

Isaac Fruechdte: 18 receptions, 292 yds, 1TD

Donovahn Jones: 11 receptions, 253 yds, 2 TDs

 

Williams had 28% of the Gophers total receptions, 31% of their total receiving yardage, and 66% (8/12) of their receiving TDs

James had 13% of Penn States total receptions, 13% of their total receiving yardage, and 23%(3/13) of their total receiving TDs

 

Also James can't do this:

Edited May 7, 2015 by ravensnick

[ravensnick]

Williams looks to be a better player on film than Jesse James, but James was def. my second favorite TE. Many people around here do not like combine numbers but James, compared to Williams.

40

Williams: 4.78

James: 4.83

Bench Press

Williams: 17

James: 26

Vertical

Williams: 34.5

James: 37.5

Broad Jump

Williams: 9.9

James: 10.1

That verticle is the thing that I loved about James. I know I'm supposed to hate him now and believe everything about him sucks (like most around here). But imagine having a 6'7/6'8 dude with that vertical in the redzone. Lob city all day.

Here's NFL.com's analysis:

NFL COMPARISON  Phillip Supernaw BOTTOM LINE  Big, in-line tight end with room on his frame for more muscle, but he's limited by a lack of functional athleticism and a mechanical play demeanor. James isn't a plus receiver with great hands and he lacks the quickness to consistently free himself from man coverage, so he must become a more determined run blocker in order to have a shot at starting in the NFL.

 

He may be a combine athlete but it is not to be seen in his tape. Williams on the other hand looks much more athletic in his tape.

Edited May 7, 2015 by ravensnick

[Gordo52]

Maxx is definitely the better prospect, but it did bother me seeing James go there.

[GrimCoconut]

Maxx is definitely the better prospect, but it did bother me seeing James go there.

Ditto. It sucks to see James go to PIT. I'm a fan of his and I feel like he will be a good TE. I don't like the Supernaw comp. Really doesn't make sense, IMO. 

[Gordo52]

Ditto. It sucks to see James go to PIT. I'm a fan of his and I feel like he will be a good TE. I don't like the Supernaw comp. Really doesn't make sense, IMO.

You're the one who got me on him... Hopefully he has a horrible career in Pittsburgh.

[GrimCoconut]

You're the one who got me on him... Hopefully he has a horrible career in Pittsburgh.

Yeah, it hurt a little seeing him go there. I'm certainly hoping I am wrong about a lot of players I liked, such as Fisher and James to name a few. 

[Tank 92]

So a friend of mine bought a Demetrius Williams jersey for $10 at a yard sale a few years ago. Now he has a ready made Max Williams jersey!

[Jaydoog]

https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/596420674333343744

[Gordo52]

So a friend of mine bought a Demetrius Williams jersey for $10 at a yard sale a few years ago. Now he has a ready made Max Williams jersey!

That's hilarious

[Moderator 3]

@RavensInsider: Ravens agree to four-year, $4.05 million deal with second-round tight end Maxx Williams, sources say: http://t.co/G66LcSWJK2

[rmw10]

@RavensInsider: Ravens agree to four-year, $4.05 million deal with second-round tight end Maxx Williams, sources say: http://t.co/G66LcSWJK2

 

I love the rookie wage scale.  No more holdouts.  This stuff can get done so quickly.

[Rav'n Maniac]

How many on here are now glad we didn't sign Rob Housler. I know I am.

[FastEddie]

So a friend of mine bought a Demetrius Williams jersey for $10 at a yard sale a few years ago. Now he has a ready made Max Williams jersey!

 

Thats awesome lol

[Bltravens]

@RavensInsider: Ravens agree to four-year, $4.05 million deal with second-round tight end Maxx Williams, sources say: http://t.co/G66LcSWJK2

That cap hit is going to be a disgusting steal by year 3.

[January J]

How many on here are now glad we didn't sign Rob Housler. I know I am.

lol me too! Was a blessing in disguise

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

That cap hit is going to be a disgusting steal by year 3.

Haha right?

Hoping it's a steal this year!

[harfordravenfan]

So a friend of mine bought a Demetrius Williams jersey for $10 at a yard sale a few years ago. Now he has a ready made Max Williams jersey!

 

Damn, wonder what the price of Demetrius William jerseys are selling for? lol

 

too cool  lol

[ellicottraven]

Jeff Heuermann a TE who was drafted by the Broncos tears his ACL in rookie camp! Tough break for him. I remember a few mock drafts where we were mocked to pick him in the later rounds... wow!

[beasy2487]

Knock on wood tho

[gabefergy]

I'm not quite sold on Maxx, but I think he fits in well as a receiving TE. His speed and quickness are not great, but he has incredible ball skills and body control. The blocking will hopefully come with time, I think the best way to describe it is adequate. We have Gillmore to move people. Maxx certainly provides more than enough effort, and he will get stronger.

[gabefergy]

It's funny that the player I initially comped him too is a slightly less athletic Dennis Pitta and he comes to most likely replace him.

[Sami84]

I'm not quite sold on Maxx, but I think he fits in well as a receiving TE. His speed and quickness are not great, but he has incredible ball skills and body control. The blocking will hopefully come with time, I think the best way to describe it is adequate. We have Gillmore to move people. Maxx certainly provides more than enough effort, and he will get stronger.

 

Jason Witten is hardly a speed demon..same with heath miller. Owen Daniels was never quick

 

Let me tell you something..the kid is 20-21 years old and for his age he's mighty impressive. He's smart..his hands are perfect and his routes and playmaking skills second to none in his position. He'll get physically stronger ( for his age he's pretty strong) but what makes him a winner is his ability to make the play..

 

hes 5 times the tight end eric ebron is..why? because he's a smart football player.

[Sami84]

It's funny that the player I initially comped him too is a slightly less athletic Dennis Pitta and he comes to most likely replace him.

 

He's a better blocker than pitta. He also has a better big play ability than dennis. Dennis was great off the snap but maxx is better with one on ones.

[gabefergy]

Jason Witten is hardly a speed demon..same with heath miller. Owen Daniels was never quick

Let me tell you something..the kid is 20-21 years old and for his age he's mighty impressive. He's smart..his hands are perfect and his routes and playmaking skills second to none in his position. He'll get physically stronger ( for his age he's pretty strong) but what makes him a winner is his ability to make the play..

hes 5 times the tight end eric ebron is..why? because he's a smart football player.

Jason Witten and Owen Daniels were both a lot faster when they came into the league. Maxx is still young so that is a nice bonus. I don't know how you can quantify how smart he is, but hopefully you are right and he picks up the NFL game quickly.

Yeah, Maxx may be a better blocker than Pitta, he isn't nearly as quick though which may be an issue for him in the NFL.

It's tough to say because Pitta wasn't used in that role much and Maxx wasn't great at it but did so more frequently. I think he will be more of a receiving TE out of the gate so it shouldn't be a big issue.

[Sami84]

He knows how to use his body and outsmart DB's. He plays faster on the field than on the track..thats what i like about him..by that i mean he just understands how to make the play.

 

He's the anti ed dickson