Welcome to Baltimore, Breshad Perriman

[Sami84]

All hail King Sami, for he knows all and is always right about everything ever in existence ever.

easy now. I'm just stating what has in fact transpired..going with my gut that is all.

[Cville-Raven]

All hail King Sami, for he knows all and is always right about everything ever in existence ever.

Yeah Ozzie needs to looks into trading him. We already know he's a bust.

[rmw10]

Do you really see a star in perriman? Would you have selected him in the first round at 26?

 

I'll step in here and say that I wasn't the biggest fan of Perriman when we picked him, but judging him off of a press conference is just ridiculous.  That has absolutely no bearing on his play.

[Gordo52]

sometimes you have to be honest and go with your instinct. As most rookies bust than boom (including in the first round) i feel he's a bust. I just don't see a star in perriman.

is he capable of a big long play? yes..but thats about it in my opinion..and if he's against intelligent coverage i see him as pretty useless.

I disagree with you but I can respect the bold...Even if you don't have legitimate reasons, everyone has a different opinion on what "It" is.

[JoeyFlex5]

Do you really see a star in perriman? Would you have selected him in the first round at 26?

for my tastes I liked Phillip Dorsett, which was well known, along with Malcolm brown or Byron jones.

Matter of fact I had no doubts that we would take brown when I saw he was still available, and yes I was initially unhappy with the perriman pick, but I also hadn't done my due diligence on him, I read that he had drops, so I just avoided him and all film and analysis like the plague. After we picked him though I had to study up on him and came to realize that some of his concerns were legit, and many were hugely overblown, and I feel he has a lot to offer.

Maybe he won't be a league wide superstar, but I think he will be a hell of a offensive cornerstone for this next era Ravens team were building

[Sami84]

I'll step in here and say that I wasn't the biggest fan of Perriman when we picked him, but judging him off of a press conference is just ridiculous.  That has absolutely no bearing on his play.

im not just judging him off that. its his aura. some player just have it..you know?..he doesn't...its the overall energy of a player. its not about being rar rar or quiet..there are different variants of that..he just seems to lack the ''it'' factor.

[rmw10]

I disagree with you but I can respect the bold...Even if you don't have legitimate reasons, everyone has a different opinion on what "It" is.

 

I get it, too, but stating something as matter of fact based on a press conference before he's even taken the field is ridiculous. 

[Cillmatic]

easy now. I'm just stating what has in fact transpired..going with my gut that is all.

Who do you have hopes for this season Sami?

[Sami84]

for my tastes I liked Phillip Dorsett, which was well known, along with Malcolm brown or Byron jones.

Matter of fact I had no doubts that we would take brown when I saw he was still available, and yes I was initially unhappy with the perriman pick, but I also hadn't done my due diligence on him, I read that he had drops, so I just avoided him and all film and analysis like the plague. After we picked him though I had to study up on him and came to realize that some of his concerns were legit, and many were hugely overblown, and I feel he has a lot to offer.

Maybe he won't be a league wide superstar, but I think he will be a hell of a offensive cornerstone for this next era Ravens team were building

I liked dorsett, smith and lockett over perriman.

[rmw10]

im not just judging him off that. its his aura. some player just have it..you know?..he doesn't...its the overall energy of a player. its not about being rar rar or quiet..there are different variants of that..he just seems to lack the ''it'' factor.

 

But did you ever even think about, you know, seeing him play a down for the Ravens before you determine whether he's a bust or not?  Sure, Perriman might not work out and you can come back and say you told everyone so in a few years.  I'm not 100% sold on the guy myself, but I'm not going to sit here and call him a bust on the first day of his first training camp.

[JoeyFlex5]

I liked dorsett, smith and lockett over perriman.

i thought Devon smith was more likely the guy who was the one trick pony we were afraid of, perriman strikes me as a more well rounded player.

I also personally thought Lockett was a tad bit overrated but I was in the minority there

[Gordo52]

I get it, too, but stating something as matter of fact based on a press conference before he's even taken the field is ridiculous.

Well maybe Sami feels he has "It" and can read players futures off of press conferences and other things lol

[Sami84]

Who do you have hopes for this season Sami?

I like Za'Darius smith a lot. I think gilmore is going to be excellent and maxx williams will start making an impact midway during the season. I like what i have seen of Jeremy butler on tape and last year was pretty annoyed he was on IR. He has real potential. I really feel eugene monroe will bounce back and be a top 10 LT like he was in the previous few seasons before last. 

I like the arrington pickup for the slot. Will hill at SS is beastly. I'm hoping carl Davis develps a motor and a consistent nasty streak. I also think Urban has massive potential.

 

I think aiken will have a better season than brown and i hope darren waller is used at some point. If campanaro remains healthy he can he a beastly slot receiver.

 

i'm not hopeful on marlon brown or perriman being the go to guys. 

[Sami84]

i thought Devon smith was more likely the guy who was the one trick pony we were afraid of, perriman strikes me as a more well rounded player.

I also personally thought Lockett was a tad bit overrated but I was in the minority there

Smith is more polished than perriman. He doesn't have a higher ceiling based on athletic ability but he's a safer floor. Lockett is explosive and just makes plays. Perriman is the anti Amari cooper..when you watch cooper and then watch perriman you see the difference between a football player ( cooper) and an athlete (perriman)

[JoeyFlex5]

Smith is more polished than perriman. He doesn't have a higher ceiling based on athletic ability but he's a safer floor. Lockett is explosive and just makes plays. Perriman is the anti Amari cooper..when you watch cooper and then watch perriman you see the difference between a football player ( cooper) and an athlete (perriman)

obviously he's nothing like cooper, but cooper is the closest thing to jerry rice since, well. Jerry rice. Perriman though doesn't strike me as just an athlete in pads, I see a natural knack for the game of football in general, he may not be the most agile or have vice grips for hands, but he has a nose for the ball and really has a way of contorting his body to get himself the best chance to catch it, and he has a good feel for defenders in his vicinity, things that really show up on tape, and the kinds of things that separate athletes from football players

[Sami84]

obviously he's nothing like cooper, but cooper is the closest thing to jerry rice since, well. Jerry rice. Perriman though doesn't strike me as just an athlete in pads, I see a natural knack for the game of football in general, he may not be the most agile or have vice grips for hands, but he has a nose for the ball and really has a way of contorting his body to get himself the best chance to catch it, and he has a good feel for defenders in his vicinity, things that really show up on tape, and the kinds of things that separate athletes from football players

 

Lets see. I know he can make some big plays..but i feel he needs to improve his cuts and be a bit more versatile.players with his measurable have failed in the past. I'm not a fan of 40 times. Said it before we even picked him that its about game speed rather then track speed and there are a lot more receivers who play faster on the field than perriman.

[Sami84]

btw..the steelers made the same mistake as us picking bud dupree.

 

an athletic freak that actually is rather clueless of a OLB.

 

The fact that the front office groaned after he was picked was a bad sign for me. Way too oakland raider like..get the fastest guy mentality.

[Cillmatic]

Exact quote from the Ravens reporters: "When Ravens first-round wide receiver Breshad Perriman initially reported for rookie camp in May, he hardly knew how to get in a proper stance."

...what?

[Sami84]

Exact quote from the Ravens reporters: "When Ravens first-round wide receiver Breshad Perriman initially reported for rookie camp in May, he hardly knew how to get in a proper stance."

...what?

 

like i said..hes not a football player...hes an athlete 

[ludy51]

Exact quote from the Ravens reporters: "When Ravens first-round wide receiver Breshad Perriman initially reported for rookie camp in May, he hardly knew how to get in a proper stance."

...what?

He put too much weight on his front foot and now that he's gotten proper coaching, he's got the correct stance

[JoeyFlex5]

Lets see. I know he can make some big plays..but i feel he needs to improve his cuts and be a bit more versatile.players with his measurable have failed in the past. I'm not a fan of 40 times. Said it before we even picked him that its about game speed rather then track speed and there are a lot more receivers who play faster on the field than perriman.

people love to use the excuse that he gets caught from behind and that he doesnt look like he plays at 4.2 speed. 

 

ill say he doesnt play at 4.2 speed and pretty much anyone not named desean jackson or chris johnson wasnt able to play that fast on the field, but he is more than fast enough and he plays close to his track speed, you see him get caught from behind in his film because he has to break stride so often to catch terribly thrown passes, and even while slowing down to less than half speed to catch a ball, he would STILL pull away on occasion. 

 

and yeah his cuts arent the sharpest, but you arent giving enough credit in that department, its not as bad as you make it out to be. this just strikes me as one of those cases where someone just decides they utterly dislike something/someone and with little rationale behind it, so no matter what you are just gonna continue to dislike.

[757RavensFan]

but, in all those areas, perriman as a rookie is STILL superior to torrey as a 4 year vet.

lets make a checklist...

speed: perriman

size: perriman

ability to break on routes: perriman(though still not an impressive aspect of his game)

physicality at the LOS: perriman, one of his better refinements, FARRR superior here

ball tracking: perriman

high pointing: perriman by far

contested catch: perriman by far

acrobatic catch: perriman by far

catch-and-run: perriman

"attacking" the ball: perriman by far by far by far by far(yes, he is much better here)

catching in traffic: perriman by far

mean streak during YAC: perriman by far

separation: cant say here, both have inconsistencies in this area but their speed helps

acceleration: even.

not trying to bash torrey, but perriman is better than torrey in literally every single aspect, and in many aspects he is miles ahead of him.

stop taking factual evidence gathered from visual analysis and making it out to be another case of drinkin' the haterade, its really not the case.

How can you make this assessment when Perriman has yet to play a single snap against an NFL defense. You're comparing Perriman's skills verses college competition. I doubt UCF played a single team that was half as good as a NFL team's defense.

[JoeyFlex5]

How can you make this assessment when Perriman has yet to play a single snap against an NFL defense. You're comparing Perriman's skills verses college competition. I doubt UCF played a single team that was half as good as a NFL team's defense

im comparing physical traits, you dont need an equal level of competition to compare physical attributes that arent affected at all by the level of the defenders on the field. the only thing i listed that you can even make that argument for would be catching in traffic, contested catch, and physicality at the LOS, and in those traits specifically its not farfetched to pretty much assume he will be better than torrey, considering those were some of the things he struggled with the most and are some of perrimans strongpoints(except for contested catch, he was just ok at that)

Edited July 29, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

im not just judging him off that. its his aura. some player just have it..you know?..he doesn't...its the overall energy of a player. its not about being rar rar or quiet..there are different variants of that..he just seems to lack the ''it'' factor.

From what I've seen CJ Mosely isn't all that charismatic or a great interview.

Joe Flacco has no aura whatsoever. Plain

and boring as can be.

Daryl Smith is as quiet as they come.

Some just let their play speak for itself. And Breshad didn't go to a big school with media attention so he's just being introduced to interactions with the media. A lot of the SEC guys get an education on that while in college.

Using an interview as any measure on a player's potential is ridiculous.

I'm sure the ravens scouts sit down and scrutinize hours of press conference film when preparing for the draft and take boring interviewers off their board early in the process. It's probably the most accurate indicator of future success.

I even heard PFF is going to start adding post-game press conference performance into their evaluations! They've worked out a great metric for quantifying "aura"....

Honestly, if you went to a steelers forum and posted your opinions I guarantee you'd fit right in there.

Edited July 29, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Sami84]

From what I've seen CJ Mosely isn't all that charismatic or a great interview.

Joe Flacco has no aura whatsoever. Plain

and boring as can be.

Daryl Smith is as quiet as they come.

Some just let their play speak for itself. And Breshad didn't go to a big school with media attention so he's just being introduced to interactions with the media. A lot of the SEC guys get an education on that while in college.

Using an interview as any measure on a player's potential is ridiculous.

I'm sure the ravens scouts sit down and scrutinize hours of press conference film when preparing for the draft and take boring interviewers off their board early in the process. It's probably the most accurate indicator of future success.

I even heard PFF is going to start adding post-game press conference performance into their evaluations! They've worked out a great metric for quantifying "aura"....

Honestly, if you went to a steelers forum and posted your opinions I guarantee you'd fit right in there.

I was a huge fan of the mosley pick..same with jernigan.

 

I loved Daryl smith at georgia tech.

 

These guys are football players.

 

Perriman is an oakland raider like pick ( pre khalil mack)

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

im comparing physical traits, you dont need an equal level of competition to compare physical attributes that arent affected at all by the level of the defenders on the field. the only thing i listed that you can even make that argument for would be catching in traffic, contested catch, and physicality at the LOS, and in those traits specifically its not farfetched to pretty much assume he will be better than torrey, considering those were some of the things he struggled with the most.

Not to mention he also wasn't receiving passes from an NFL caliber QB his senior year, or an NFL quality scheme, play calling and coaching.

His individual traits will be elevated when nurtured by elite coaching and when targeted by an elite quarterback who can make the most of his physical abilities.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Breshad is a better prospect than Torrey was coming out. Guess what? Torrey despite not being s number one we is a pretty good wr.

I have no reason to believe that Perriman will be anything less than Torrey.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I was a huge fan of the mosley pick..same with jernigan.

I loved Daryl smith at georgia tech.

These guys are football players.

Perriman is an oakland raider like pick ( pre khalil mack)

Perriman's father was a real football player. Breshad is 10x the athlete and physical specimen his father was. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Also keep in mind he hasn't been playing football very long. He's very raw in his development. It'll probably be 2-3 years before we see who he really is as a football player. And I fully expect him to be successful year 1.

I guess we'll have to see. Anyone can say oh I knew players x,y, and z were going to pan out when there's no record or proof of said projections. We'll see how your predictions pan out this year.

It wasn't hard to tell that Daryl Smith and Will Hill were going to be great players in baltimore considering they had already proven to be in Jacksonville and NY respectively on worse teams with less talent around them.

[January J]

Come on man, the kid is young. He's never really even done press conferences before like talkin bout. And for real I didn't see anything wrong with it. I thought he came off as pretty chill and modest. He talked about the things he needs to improve on and how he's improved his stance. What more do you want? He's new to this stuff and he just has a laid back personality. He's not an in your face or classy type of guy. Everybody's diffrent . But that doesn't mean he won't be burnin defenders every Sunday and won't put up double digit touchdowns. Get outta here wit that mess Sami.

[Sami84]

Perriman's father was a real football player. Breshad is 10x the athlete and physical specimen his father was. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Also keep in mind he hasn't been playing football very long. He's very raw in his development. It'll probably be 2-3 years before we see who he really is as a football player. And I fully expect him to be successful year 1.

I guess we'll have to see. Anyone can say oh I knew players x,y, and z were going to pan out when there's no record or proof of said projections. We'll see how your predictions pan out this year.

It wasn't hard to tell that Daryl Smith and Will Hill were going to be great players in baltimore considering they had already proven to be in Jacksonville and NY respectively on worse teams with less talent around them.

brett perriman ( his dad) was the opposite of his son..he was an excellent route runner with great hands.

 

I was amping up the cj mosley and jernigan pick before they played an nfl snap.

 

and no just because someones dad was good doesn't mean their son is going to be good ( not everyones the long family)