Welcome to Baltimore, Breshad Perriman

[JoeyFlex5]

Let's be honest here:

1. He's a rookie.

2. Let's not pretend that Perriman's unofficial 40 time wasn't a fluke. He plays 3 times slower in actual games. If he really runs at 4.27 speed he wouldn't be caught from behind all the time and he'd look like a Desean Jackson on steroids. I just don't see him being the down field threat that we think he will.

lets really be honest here: 

1. i took that into consideration, thats why im comparing physical abilities instead of just flat out saying hes better, because we dont know yet. 

2. he does not play slow in games, i realize he may not actually be running 4.2 ever, but he is stupidly fast. ill have to advise you to go back to the film if you think he just constantly gets caught from behind. ive had to make this point over and over and its like a broken record, look at the adjustments he is forced to make for his horrible qb's horrible throws, obviously he cant just sprint full speed, jump, spin 180 degrees, reach all the way backwards, catch the ball, and land in traffic without breaking stride, hes gonna get caught from behind. although it is damn impressive on his film when you see him breaking stride for the completion in a major way and STILL pulling away from db's after the catch, his acceleration is instant and his top-end speed is still on par or better than a large majority of NFL DBs, and a qb who could consistently deliver the ball to him in stride is gonna help highlight those attributes, so that those who watch his college film and analyze it at face value and dont account for all the factors, can begin to realize that hey, maybe this kid is actually THAT fast.

[JoeyFlex5]

Alot of the attributes on your list can be given to Torrey(Torrey can't track a deep ball?Really?) unless you're talking about Torrey coming out of college and the majority of them are just things a big WR can do and I've already said he's Torrey WITH size.I noticed you didn't add any of the things they have in common to your list like hands problems,both running a limited route tree,both only having straight line speed,both lacking shiftiness and both actually being close in size.Perriman is only 1 inch taller and a few pounds heavier.As I said,Torrey and Perriman share alot of traits but you just gave the nod to Perriman.That's why I see it as people just knocking Torrey.Can you atleast admit that does happen often because of that last play?You have your OPINION based on "visual analysis and I have mine.I'll leave it at that.

no, theres nothing to admit here, this is what we have seen from torrey for 4 years straight. you just surrender your argument every single time you post by saying "its all because of his last play". torrey struggled to track a deep ball, its evident, you havent noticed him trying to track the ball and stumbling left and right, slowing down to try to find it and ultimately coming up short? leading outsiders to say "flacco overthrew him"?? he did it over and over, one of the reasons he was so good at drawing PIs, he slowed down to find the ball, causing db's to run right into him! perriman may not exactly be darren sproles in terms of shiftiness, but he has some shiftiness to his game, hes not just a vertical guy, hes got moves and while he may not have a sharp route tree, he can put those moves on display in the YAC game, more than torrey who was overly light on his feet and had a tendency to slip and fall. 

 

and things they have in common.. according to you the only traits to a wr are size, speed, and hands, and you still continue to misjudge this oversimplified version of an analysis. they dont have similarly bad hands as you say, torrey is a habitual body catcher with zero aggression to his catching game, which leads to bobbled and dropped balls but more importantly, balls he doesnt even truly attempt to catch. perriman is a natural hands catcher, who is aggressive in getting to the ball, long limbs, large hands, sturdier build, reaches out there and snags it, and consistently gives 110% in catching that ball, but he has the occasional drop.

 

id rather have the occasional drop than someone who has about a 10% chance of catching the ball unless he has big time separation. 

 

once again, torrey had his moments here, no doubting it, and he was a huge part of our success, but he REALLY overachieved here, hes a limited wr and we found a way to get #2 production out of him for 4 years, he was perfect for what we needed, he fell into a perfect situation, and it paid dividends on both ends and im happy he played for us the past 4 seasons, but man, actually WATCH the film and stop disregarding facts and claiming "torrey bashing" with every argument

[Cville-Raven]

give it up lol.

 

ive read both their scouting reports and they are pretty similar.

heck perriman appears to have more weaknesses coming out then torrey especially when it comes to their hands.

 

nfl.com actually had torrey graded higher and strength wise torrey appeared to have more reps on the bench press and he appeared to have a higher vertical as well.

 

torrey is 6`0 with a 41 inch vertical while beshad is 6`2 with a 36.5 vertical.

 

TBH the only real difference between them is that perriman ran a 4.24 40 time to go with his 6`2 which made him a 1st rounder.

 

if his time was any slower he would had the same round projection as torrey which would be an early 2nd rounder.

 

their strengths and weaknesses are pretty similar.

 

perriman has been compared to DT,Jeffrey and Gordon but then again also to stephen hill and kenny britt which some conveniently forget to mention lol

 

breshad combine report: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597

torrey combine report:  http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/torrey-smith?id=2495459

breshad after draft with pro day results : http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597

 

now notice how his grade got higher now that it shows his pro day 40 time lol.

 

TBH im not sure which reports they read or if they are just going by their own eye test but i have no idea what they seem to be talking about.

 

one trick pony, not attacking the ball , slow hands , not good at boxin out , not using his size well, trouble beating out starting caliber cbs, not physical enough; all points of criticism that fell on torrey  yet same things are said in scouting reports about breshad whether you read nfl.com, waltersfootball,bleacher or even baltimore beatdown.

 

id love to know what reports they where reading that clearly paint a picture that breshad is in no way or shape similar to torrey but i highly doubt they can produce 1.

 

if i where you i would just drop it cause its just like 

Oh come on...

[Tenacious Faulker]

Just gong to say it:  1000+ yards and 7 or more TDs for Perriman in his rookie season.  Certainly doable, very possible.

 

The scheme:  He's going to start the season as the #2 in Trestmans offense.  Think of Alshon Jeffery the first season with him in Chicago.  As a raw rookie Torrey had 7 TDs under Cam and Brown had the same as a UDFA under Caldwell.  Under Trestman Jeffery had 7 and 10 TDs

 

The player:  Perriman has the same measureables as Jeffery but is notably faster.  He's a better receiver coming out of college than Torrey was coming out of college.  Torrey took 4 years of development to catch away from his body with patchy results.  Perriman is already catching away from his frame and jumping for catches unlike Torrey despite his ability to go vertical.

 

The competition:  Aiken and Brown will be tough to supplant as veterans.  They proved they deserve shots.  Perriman has to work that much harder for snaps.  If he wins out in preseason he'll be a solid #2 with all the snaps that go with it.  Camp is a possession receiver and Butler is an all-purpose player and will not factor into the competition. If Perriman live up to his potential, he could become Joe's #1 read by mid-season.  Smith Sr. is smaller, slower and not getting younger.

 

Ball drops:  Forget the ball drop argument too, fellas.  If that was an issue then they would never have signed Steve Smith in 2014.  He personally averaged 8-9 a season and had 10 with us in 2014.  Torrey average 6.25 over his 4 seassons - 6 as a rookie.  Kelvin Benjamin by comparison had 14 drops last year and had 1,008 yds with 9 TDs.

Edited July 29, 2015 by Tenacious Faulker

[Tru11]

Oh come on...

 

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[Cville-Raven]

lets really be honest here: 

1. i took that into consideration, thats why im comparing physical abilities instead of just flat out saying hes better, because we dont know yet. 

2. he does not play slow in games, i realize he may not actually be running 4.2 ever, but he is stupidly fast. ill have to advise you to go back to the film if you think he just constantly gets caught from behind. ive had to make this point over and over and its like a broken record, look at the adjustments he is forced to make for his horrible qb's horrible throws, obviously he cant just sprint full speed, jump, spin 180 degrees, reach all the way backwards, catch the ball, and land in traffic without breaking stride, hes gonna get caught from behind. although it is damn impressive on his film when you see him breaking stride for the completion in a major way and STILL pulling away from db's after the catch, his acceleration is instant and his top-end speed is still on par or better than a large majority of NFL DBs, and a qb who could consistently deliver the ball to him in stride is gonna help highlight those attributes, so that those who watch his college film and analyze it at face value and dont account for all the factors, can begin to realize that hey, maybe this kid is actually THAT fast.

Its not just his speed that is noticable but his relase off of the line of scrimmage just stands out.

[January J]

In my opinion one of Torrey's biggest weaknesses was tracking the deep ball. He constantly had to readjust and stutter step and never just caught the ball in stride.

[K-Dog]

Torrey hangs his toilet paper with the back hanging down.

Perriman hangs his toilet paper the front hanging down.

Clearly Perriman is the superior human being.

( no, really that is what this thread sounds like )

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Torrey hangs his toilet paper with the back hanging down.

Perriman hangs his toilet paper the front hanging down.

Clearly Perriman is the superior human being.

( no, really that is what this thread sounds like )

 

 

Ha Ha 15 days until the first preseason game.Then the monotony of the offseason will be over.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Alot of the attributes on your list can be given to Torrey(Torrey can't track a deep ball?Really?) unless you're talking about Torrey coming out of college and the majority of them are just things a big WR can do and I've already said he's Torrey WITH size.I noticed you didn't add any of the things they have in common to your list like hands problems,both running a limited route tree,both only having straight line speed,both lacking shiftiness and both actually being close in size.Perriman is only 1 inch taller and a few pounds heavier.As I said,Torrey and Perriman share alot of traits but you just gave the nod to Perriman.That's why I see it as people just knocking Torrey.Can you atleast admit that does happen often because of that last play?You have your OPINION based on "visual analysis and I have mine.I'll leave it at that.

 

Did you not see how often Torrey would have to wait for the ball, come back, or come up just short of the ball? That's tracking issues. He'd either run his route too deep, or put the brakes on too early and not be able to get there.

 

Making a lot of deep catches does not inherently mean you're good at tracking deep balls. Had he not developed an insane ability to draw PI's, his issues tracking the ball would have a whole lot more glaring.

[K-Dog]

Ha Ha 15 days until the first preseason game.Then the monotony of the offseason will be over.

It will just move over to the game day thread.

[1/28/01]

Alot of the attributes on your list can be given to Torrey (Torrey can't track a deep ball? Really?)

So now Torrey is a hands catcher who tracks the ball well? Holy smokes!!!!

[JoeyFlex5]

It's like talking to a brick wall, really.

[Sami84]

listened to him today.I'm just getting bad vibes. He doesn't strike me as really all there mentally. I guess that and combined with the fact he's a pretty boring interview...infact he's so boring he makes flacco's interviews seem like prime time.

 

yawn get some charisma breshad.

[rmw10]

listened to him today.I'm just getting bad vibes. He doesn't strike me as really all there mentally. I guess that and combined with the fact he's a pretty boring interview...infact he's so boring he makes flacco's interviews seem like prime time.

 

yawn get some charisma breshad.

 

Because press conferences are a great judge of on the field play...

 

[Cville-Raven]

You heard it here first folks. We can already tell he's a bust based on a 5 minute press conference. 

[Sami84]

i just don't think he's really a ''grasper''

 

i don't feel he's particularly confident either. He doesn't have the swag or the f you attitude. I think he's soft.

 

just being honest.

[rmw10]

i just don't think he's really a ''grasper''

 

i don't feel he's particularly confident either. He doesn't have the swag or the f you attitude. I think he's soft.

 

just being honest.

 

It's cool.  We know you hate 98% of what the Ravens do.

[JoeyFlex5]

Have you ever heard Andre Johnson speak? Not thrilling either.

Ngata came off as borderline clueless in interviews, he stuttered and struggled to get his point across so badly that I had to change the station whenever he was on 105.7

[Cillmatic]

Serious question, does Breshad have ADHD? He mentioned that his mind wanders when he gets tired.

[Sami84]

Have you ever heard Andre Johnson speak? Not thrilling either.

Ngata came off as borderline clueless in interviews, he stuttered and struggled to get his point across so badly that I had to change the station whenever he was on 105.7

 

yeah but andre johnson comes off as emotionless in an assassin like way.

breshad just seems clueless.

[Cillmatic]

yeah but andre johnson comes off as emotionless in an assassin like way.

breshad just seems clueless.

Sami I swear you are the "EDD" when it comes to the Ravens.

[Sami84]

Sami I swear you are the "EDD" when it comes to the Ravens.

No way. I just don't like perriman much. He doesn't strike me as a star. He's more a likely bust than boom. He;s missing something..not just on tape but mentally.

 

he doesn't have it. 

[dpatrickguy]

Awful lot of scorching HOT takes in this thread right now.

[JoeyFlex5]

Guys, you have to remember, Sami prophecized Elma's struggles as well, therefore Sami is the know-all be-all in these threads and we must heed to and acknowledge all predictions made by this prophet who has blessed us with his presence

[Sami84]

sometimes you have to be honest and go with your instinct. As most rookies bust than boom (including in the first round) i feel he's a bust. I just don't see a star in perriman. 

 

is he capable of a big long play? yes..but thats about it in my opinion..and if he's against intelligent coverage i see him as pretty useless.

[Sami84]

Guys, you have to remember, Sami prophecized Elma's struggles as well, therefore Sami is the know-all be-all in these threads and we must heed to and acknowledge all predictions made by this prophet who has blessed us with his presence

Not just elam. I predicted a lot of busts and booms over the past few years correctly.

 

The only thing i got wrong draft wise was jimmy smiths late ascendence.

 

I also told everyone here that daryl smith was an all pro calibre player ( with a few scoffs) and that Will Hill was the same ( with a few scoffs)

[JoeyFlex5]

Some people just aren't great articulators, and being a timid rookie doesn't help.

Hell my brother in law has a bachelors degree and literally can't carry a conversation past 1 spoken thought.

Gift of gab, some have it, some don't.

[Sami84]

Some people just aren't great articulators, and being a timid rookie doesn't help.

Hell my brother in law has a bachelors degree and literally can't carry a conversation past 1 spoken thought.

Gift of gab, some have it, some don't.

 

Do you really see a star in perriman? Would you have selected him in the first round at 26?

[JoeyFlex5]

Not just elam. I predicted a lot of busts and booms over the past few years correctly.

 

The only thing i got wrong draft wise was jimmy smiths late ascendence.

 

I also told everyone here that daryl smith was an all pro calibre player ( with a few scoffs) and that Will Hill was the same ( with a few scoffs)

anyone who scoffed at will hill and Daryl smiths excellence are most likely ignorant in terms of football.

Also, if the bust to boom ratio is so huge, of course it's easy to naysay 9 out of 10 draft picks and say "told ya so" when they don't pan out.