Welcome to Baltimore, Breshad Perriman

[GrimCoconut]

Call me biased, but long term I think Perriman could be the best of the bunch. QB and scheme as well as OL are critical aspects of success, as well as effort. Perriman seems to have good work ethic. If he realizes his potential, he'll be the best WR from this class. If not, it'll be Cooper for the time being, although I can see Dorsett be a beast with Andrew Luck.

[PurpleCity5]

Please show me in my post where I said that. All I said was that White is a more polished route runner (which is true and not saying much because it's easily BP's biggest area of weakness), and White has a higher floor (Which in my opinion is true and that's more based on the level of competition than college scheme)

I think White is better as a route runner but by a small margin, I frankly don't think he got drafted for his route running but rather ceiling and the fact that's his ranking overall. I think route running is something he has to get better at, similar to Perriman but both can certainly run the full route tree, just not fluid enough. 

 

I don't think route running is a deal breaker, it's certainly a nice asset but it's surly something you can get better at and master. 

[sflegend89]

Call me biased, but long term I think Perriman could be the best of the bunch. QB and scheme as well as OL are critical aspects of success, as well as effort. Perriman seems to have good work ethic. If he realizes his potential, he'll be the best WR from this class. If not, it'll be Cooper for the time being, although I can see Dorsett be a beast with Andrew Luck.

 

I don't think saying Perriman has the highest ceiling is biased at all, it's definitely Perriman or DGB. BP is far from the most polished which always creates doubts for teams but he is the total package, speed, strength, quickness, height, frame, YAC, body control, fights for the ball, and contrary to the media narrative, has great hands... the only things he needs to be a top tier WR at the NFL level are things that can be taught like route running, using his hands better to create separation, and just more overall nuance in his technique. Having Bobby Engram as his coach, Steve Smith on the field with him, and Flacco at QB put's him in a great situation to do that.

[sflegend89]

I think White is better as a route runner but by a small margin, I frankly don't think he got drafted for his route running but rather ceiling and the fact that's his ranking overall. I think route running is something he has to get better at, similar to Perriman but both can certainly run the full route tree, just not fluid enough. 

 

I don't think route running is a deal breaker, it's certainly a nice asset but it's surly something you can get better at and master. 

 

I agree that neither White or Perriman got drafted for their route running prowess haha. They are both raw talents with high ceilings, White is a bit further along than BP at this point, played a higher level of competition, produced big numbers, and had the spotlight on him for far longer as a potential 1st round player so I see why he was valued higher than Perriman despite being extremely similar prospects long term.

 

The reason I put BP's ceiling even a little bit higher is because of his speed. Don't get me wrong, White is fast, but BP can  turn on the afterburners and flat out fly when he get's the ball in space. They have similar speed/quickness off the line up scrimmage and into their breaks but there's no doubt that Perriman has another gear that White doesn't once he get's going.

[allblackraven]

I don't think saying Perriman has the highest ceiling is biased at all, it's definitely Perriman or DGB. BP is far from the most polished which always creates doubts for teams but he is the total package, speed, strength, quickness, height, frame, YAC, body control, fights for the ball, and contrary to the media narrative, has great hands... the only things he needs to be a top tier WR at the NFL level are things that can be taught like route running, using his hands better to create separation, and just more overall nuance in his technique. Having Bobby Engram as his coach, Steve Smith on the field with him, and Flacco at QB put's him in a great situation to do that.

Another, I think crucial, quality Perriman has is his dedication. Guy works hard and, having in mind constant improvement, he's obviously coachable. very young, too - so he is a year up on most new WRs.

[TXRavensFan]

 

White is the more polished route runner and Perriman has a little more burst when he hits his 2nd gear. You can teach route running, you can't teach speed. I honestly see Perriman as the higher ceiling and White as the higher floor. Very similar players though, surprised more analysts didn't pick up on that comparison. 

 

When you put on tape of BP and Kevin White they are really similar players, White also has that early catch window and is a pure hands catcher. Even their body control when they make a leaping grab is extremely similar. The biggest difference to me is just that White played in a pro style offense that throws the ball a lot and BP played in a spread offense and didn't get nearly the same volume of targets.

 

I posted another part of this analysis earlier, but this is what one of the guys at Rotoviz had to say about Perriman vis a vis White:

 

Maybe you are like many of the mainstream NFL Draft analysts who can only evaluate players by comparing them to other players. Well then, the PlayerProfiler.com Best Comparable algorithm is for you. It identifies comparable players based on Height, Weight, College Dominator Rating (share of receiving yards and touchdowns), College Yards Per Reception (YPR), Breakout Age, 40-time, Burst Score (equally weighted aggregate of vertical jump and broad jump), and Agility Score (3-cone drill plus 20-yard shuttle).

 

Here is a breakdown of their respective prospect profiles:

Breshad Perriman

• Height: 6-2
• Weight: 212
• College Dominator: 36.6
• College Yards Per Reception (YPR): 20.9
• Breakout Age: 20.0
• 40-time: 4.30 (accounts for +0.05 pro day 40-yard dash time adjustment)
• HaSS: 125.7 (99th percentile)
• Burst Score 121.9 (52nd percentile)
• Agility Score: N/A

Kevin White

• Height: 6-3
• Weight: 215
• College Dominator: 36.8
• College Yards Per Reception (YPR): 13.3
• Breakout Age: 21.2
• 40-time: 4.35
• HaSS: 123.4 (97th percentile)
• Burst Score: 123.6 (62nd percentile)
• Agility Score: 11.06 (61st percentile)

The data indicates that Breshad Perriman’s closest comparable is Kevin White, and Kevin White’s best comparable is Breshad Perriman. Furthermore, the variance between White and Perriman is the smallest variance between two comparable WRs in the 2015 draft class. According to abilities that we can actually measure, White and Perriman are doppelgängers.

Why then do 100 out of 100 NFL draft analysts rate Kevin White ahead of Breshad Perriman?

1. Industry groupthink – why draft Teddy Bridgewater when you can have Johnny Manziel?!?!
2. Quarterback play. Justin Holman – while Clint Trickett was a top-40 college quarterback by every measure (67.1 completion percentage, 7.8 YPA, 67.8 Total QBR), Justin Holman fell outside the top-50 in all categories, and his 56.9 percent completion percentage, in particular, made it more challenging for Breshad Perriman to impress NFL talent evaluators and sport media draft analysts.

How did Holman’s struggles specifically affect Breshad Perriman’s draft stock? An ineffective UCF offense meant fewer total plays, fewer red zone opportunities, and fewer total catches, leading to fewer opportunities for highlight reel-worthy plays, forcing Perriman to do more with less (see 20.9 YPR vs. 13.3 YPR). Just one less ball thrown to a location where Perriman could go up and make a spectacular acrobatic catch is one less opportunity for a film watching aficionado to “fall in love” with Perriman’s ability to “highpoint the football” and to “look the part” of a “true game changer.” Less accurate throws not only make big plays more challenging, every inaccurate pass, that is not converted into a catch, is an opportunity for a subjective film watcher to credit Breshad Perriman with a drop. Not surprisingly, he posted a 14-percent drop rate based on Pro Football Focus’ perception of each catch’s degree of difficulty.

 

If Breshad Perriman and Kevin White traded jerseys and quarterbacks last season, Perriman would be a top-10 lock, and Kevin White would be the “late riser.”

 

http://rotoviz.com/2015/04/rotoviz-round-table-breshad-perriman-edition/

[52520Andrew]

Didn't know Perriman was the lowest rated player (2 stars) coming out of high school taken in the first round. It kind of tells me he works hard to get where he wants to be.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490995/article/how-2015-firstround-draft-picks-rated-as-high-school-recruits

Without knowing Perriman's situation in particular, I think that sort of stuff can be a bit overblown as players do grow in college. It is still good to see though as it shows he can handle a bit of adversity and didn't get his ego inflated too much either, not to mention he probably is a bit hungry.

[52520Andrew]

Yeah, I've said before that I think the most important aspect of any player in the NFL is their mental makeup

Difference between Manning and Leaf

[sflegend89]

I posted another part of this analysis earlier, but this is what one of the guys at Rotoviz had to say about Perriman vis a vis White:

 

 

 

http://rotoviz.com/2015/04/rotoviz-round-table-breshad-perriman-edition/

 

Great post, very interesting stuff in there. Cool to see some stats that actually corroborate my film based comparison to Kevin White from earlier. I didn't do any in depth film study on White like I did for Perriman pre-draft because I knew he was so far out of our range. It was a revelation to sink my teeth into White's film now post-draft and realize we got a virtual doppleganger of a top 10 selection all the way at 26.

 

Loved the point you made about industry groupthink. It definitely plays a role in the pre-draft process, for instance I didn't think Manziel or Tebow had any right going in the first 3 rounds. But because those are sexy picks every talking head in the industry said "upside, playmaker, he's a winner, he won the Heisman, blah blah blah". When it get's forced down your throat over and over eventually you start to subconsciously buy into the hype, even scouts do to a degree. Not that Kevin White is the equivalent to Tebow/Manziel or anything but it is a very real factor in the pre-draft process and is typically why guys who have been in the spotlight get elevated over similar and sometimes better prospects who haven't gotten the same kind of exposure.

[ravensdan]

Interesting the only other small school prospect the Ravens have drafted in the first was one Mr Flacco from Delaware. Maybe a good omen.

[TXRavensFan]

Loved the point you made about industry groupthink. It definitely plays a role in the pre-draft process, for instance I didn't think Manziel or Tebow had any right going in the first 3 rounds. But because those are sexy picks every talking head in the industry said "upside, playmaker, he's a winner, he won the Heisman, blah blah blah". When it get's forced down your throat over and over eventually you start to subconsciously buy into the hype, even scouts do to a degree. Not that Kevin White is the equivalent to Tebow/Manziel or anything but it is a very real factor in the pre-draft process and is typically why guys who have been in the spotlight get elevated over similar and sometimes better prospects who haven't gotten the same kind of exposure.

 

Another example of this groupthink (I'm sure you could find it on any player), is with Perriman's hands. Some media "scout" who may or may not have watched all of his film writes that he had a bunch of drops, and before you know it, everybody is saying and believing his hands are suspect - just look at the reaction to the pick on our own draft day thread. Pretty infuriating.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

One thing I think important to mention in regards to Perriman and his NFL pedigree - looking at his father coming out of college and how he progressed as a pro - he was a speedster, though much smaller than Breshad, and wasn't a polished route runner.

To stay productive and successful he became a pure technician with route running to make himself an available target on many plays. I think this bodes well for Breshad.

I think that's his biggest area for growth... If he can refine his route running and learn to not just rely on speed and strength to win 1on1 he can be darn near unstoppable.

And since his dad learned the finer points of the craft he should be just another resource to continue Breshads development in that area. That connection is invaluable and I don't think is being paid enough attention. That's a 24/7 365 teacher who mastered the skill Breshad needs the most work on.

Keep in mind, from what I understand Breshad didn't fully commit to football until highschool. So the position is still something he's learning and is relatively early in his development. That's not a bad thing though because if he can be productive early, that bodes well for the possibility that he can be dominant once he's fully developed.

I'm really confident we now have our AJ Green, Julio Jones, Dez type receiver. Add to that getting what I think will be a dominant pass catching TE and this offense is primed to take off like we've never seen before.

Were about to enter the Flacco era of the NFL where he, Luck and Wilson will fill the void left by Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees.

Edited May 7, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[January J]

One thing I think important to mention in regards to Perriman and his NFL pedigree - looking at his father coming out of college and how he progressed as a pro - he was a speedster, though much smaller than Breshad, and wasn't a polished route runner.

To stay productive and successful he became a pure technician with route running to make himself an available target on many plays. I think this bodes well for Breshad.

I think that's his biggest area for growth... If he can refine his route running and learn to not just rely on speed and strength to win 1on1 he can be darn near unstoppable.

And since his dad learned the finer points of the craft he should be just another resource to continue Breshads development in that area. That connection is invaluable and I don't think is being paid enough attention. That's a 24/7 365 teacher who mastered the skill Breshad needs the most work on.

Keep in mind, from what I understand Breshad didn't fully commit to football until highschool. So the position is still something he's learning and is relatively early in his development. That's not a bad thing though because if he can be productive early, that bodes well for the possibility that he can be dominant once he's fully developed.

I'm really confident we now have our AJ Green, Julio Jones, Dez type receiver. Add to that getting what I think will be a dominant pass catching TE and this offense is primed to take off like we've never seen before.

Were about to enter the Flacco era of the NFL where he, Luck and Wilson will fill the void left by Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees.

well said. This is gonna be a fun time for raven fans. I have a strong feeling these next few years are gonna be wild.

[Ravens4Real]

One thing I think important to mention in regards to Perriman and his NFL pedigree - looking at his father coming out of college and how he progressed as a pro - he was a speedster, though much smaller than Breshad, and wasn't a polished route runner.

To stay productive and successful he became a pure technician with route running to make himself an available target on many plays. I think this bodes well for Breshad.

I think that's his biggest area for growth... If he can refine his route running and learn to not just rely on speed and strength to win 1on1 he can be darn near unstoppable.

And since his dad learned the finer points of the craft he should be just another resource to continue Breshads development in that area. That connection is invaluable and I don't think is being paid enough attention. That's a 24/7 365 teacher who mastered the skill Breshad needs the most work on.

Keep in mind, from what I understand Breshad didn't fully commit to football until highschool. So the position is still something he's learning and is relatively early in his development. That's not a bad thing though because if he can be productive early, that bodes well for the possibility that he can be dominant once he's fully developed.

I'm really confident we now have our AJ Green, Julio Jones, Dez type receiver. Add to that getting what I think will be a dominant pass catching TE and this offense is primed to take off like we've never seen before.

Were about to enter the Flacco era of the NFL where he, Luck and Wilson will fill the void left by Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees.

You do know that Rodgers is only a year older than Flacco, right? They will probably retire around the same time so I don't know how you could say that Flacco is going to be in the next era of QB's. Also, Luck and Wilson will be around for years to come after Flacco.

[ravensfan160]

Can we give Bobby Engram some love! I'm so excited that we have a legitimate WR coach now who not only played in the league but excelled. His presence alone give me confidence that Perriman will develop.

[allblackraven]

Just saw that short highlight of Breshad's first practice. Looking quick. I know it's no pads, no contact but Walker definitely had the opportunity to see what can he expect in the NFL.

[harfordravenfan]

Perriman is set up to succeed. The benefits of having a NFL pro for a dad and friends such as Michael Irvwin help teach him some of the finer points/ Along with a good coach and going to a team that needed a speedy receiver... everything is in place for him to make everyone proud

[The Mom Gene]

Breshad's highlights from the Rookie Practice on Friday showed us just enough for us to want more.  The guy looked good.  Caught balls well with his hands....  and looked FAST.  I cannot wait to get this thing started.

[hawkprey]

Not that my opinion really carries weight, but I was always critical of Torrey and Jacoby, although I come to like them as people. On the field, I don't see the same with Breshad at all. I see a player with the capability to become a true #1 receiver (or at least, a valuable weapon). Torrey to me was always a complimentary piece who struggled mightily against good CBs and Jacoby as a WR is "just a guy". Breshad still has work but he's a real threat. Not like anyone we've had in a while.

[ellicottraven]

After watching a couple of minutes of his first practice, I thought he ran like a gazelle and caught the ball extremely well. I don't think Walker was able to keep up with him. So, if he is who we think he is, then he is going to be an awesome wideout for us!

[-Truth-]

After watching a couple of minutes of his first practice, I thought he ran like a gazelle and caught the ball extremely well. I don't think Walker was able to keep up with him. So, if he is who we think he is, then he is going to be an awesome wideout for us!

Excellent news. I assume you were at the practice in person then?

[Cville-Raven]

He definitely looks the part

[BmoreBird22]

Excellent news. I assume you were at the practice in person then?

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Highlights-From-Rookie-Minicamp/82088580-7e0f-46c2-a230-0581d545aea5

[codizzle]

He definitely looks the part

You look the part

[Cville-Raven]

You look the part

+35

[ludy51]

What does +35 mean?

Edited May 9, 2015 by ludy51

[Static]

What does +35 mean?

 

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[ludy51]

Its a new monetary reward system for saying cool stuff on the forums. He just gave you 35 dollars. Message the mods to check your balance and cash out.

No

[codizzle]

+35

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[Cville-Raven]

lol