Welcome to Baltimore, Breshad Perriman

[JoeyFlex5]

I didn't watch Perriman much until conversation with Truth during forum mock game but after watching him more and learning all this extra stuff about him that got revealed after the draft, I don't agree that he is a boom or bust guy. He may not become HoF wideout but I think he has too much of the physical/talent/determination/background makeup to miss on a decent NFL career. I see his floor as a competent #2. He also has the best QB situation of all the 1st rounders this year.

 

Be interesting to see in 5, 6 years who did what among White/Parker/Cooper/Perriman.

i think cooper and carr could be a very potent combination but the rest of their offense is just too weak, cooper is the only threat on that team. if they get a more competent all around offense then i think cooper easily has the best production. 

 

after that though, i think the competition for most production comes down to perriman, dorsett, and agholor actually, i think kevin white was a bit overrated and i think john fox is a pretty bad HC and cutler is too erratic to make something of a wr as raw as him, i think tannehill is the wrong qb for parker, and i think agholor and dorsett will both absolutely tear it up in their systems, i see perriman in the same light. 

 

so id guess that cooper takes the title while 2nd best is gonna come down to perriman, agholor, and dorsett, mostly due to the situations theyll be playing in compared to the others.

[Inqui]

I didn't watch Perriman much until conversation with Truth during forum mock game but after watching him more and learning all this extra stuff about him that got revealed after the draft, I don't agree that he is a boom or bust guy. He may not become HoF wideout but I think he has too much of the physical/talent/determination/background makeup to miss on a decent NFL career. I see his floor as a competent #2. He also has the best QB situation of all the 1st rounders this year.

 

Be interesting to see in 5, 6 years who did what among White/Parker/Cooper/Perriman.

I hope you're right, and to be fair to the guy (and my bringing up Jon Baldwin) you've got to feel good about his situation. I see him as a WR2 for us this year - WR3 at worst and only if Aiken/Camp/Brown simply light it up in ways you never saw coming - and his second year will be the most telling about his career trajectory. And at that point he should have a full season under his belt.

[TXRavensFan]

I hope you're right, and to be fair to the guy (and my bringing up Jon Baldwin) you've got to feel good about his situation. I see him as a WR2 for us this year - WR3 at worst and only if Aiken/Camp/Brown simply light it up in ways you never saw coming - and his second year will be the most telling about his career trajectory. And at that point he should have a full season under his belt.

 

FWIW, Bobby Engram has stated that they're going to line him up as the X receiver, which is primarily where teams line up their #1,

[Inqui]

FWIW, Bobby Engram has stated that they're going to line him up as the X receiver, which is primarily where teams line up their #1,

Very interesting, I guess they like his size and what he can do already with his routes and hands.

 

It also sounds like they want him to be well established come the playoffs (the "start him early so he's not a rookie come the end of the season" mentality).

[JoeyFlex5]

Very interesting, I guess they like his size and what he can do already with his routes and hands.

 

It also sounds like they want him to be well established come the playoffs (the "start him early so he's not a rookie come the end of the season" mentality).

and that is the best way to go about it. i am a huge fan of harbs, but one thing i have never been a fan of is how he is overly harsh in judging rookies, forcing a first round draft pick to cover kickoffs extensively before even seeing the field, that cripples growth, i think he learned that lesson with jimmy smith, he missed a ton of time because he was covering kickoffs vs pitt in week 1 when he should have been suiting up to see the field as a cb, ends up with a high ankle sprain and his growth was a major headache after that. i dont think its a coincidence that high draft picks ended up the starters almost immediately after jimmy's injury(torrey, upshaw, elam[blegh], mosley, and jernigan in heavy rotation) thats 4 consecutive years of rookies essentially being starters, things werent like that prior to jimmy's injury. 

 

im glad theyre throwing perriman into the fire, that whole "sit back and learn" thing just does not work in todays nfl, talented kids will just wither away on the sidelines with crushed confidence.

[Inqui]

im glad theyre throwing perriman into the fire, that whole "sit back and learn" thing just does not work in todays nfl, talented kids will just wither away on the sidelines with crushed confidence.

You've got to be smart about it, but I agree with this. It's been so frustrating to see us keep talented young players back until the guy above them in the depth chart gets overpaid by the Colts or the Browns - at which point they move in and block some other young player in the same way. I can understand wanting to keep the fire going or what have you, but there really is no substitute for proper game time.

 

I'm a bit surprised to hear about Perriman being thrown in as the X though. I'd have thought he'd be more of a Y/WR2/whateveryouknowhwhatimeananyway for at least his first year so he doesn't go up against the Revis types too soon. Ah well, we'll see soon enough I guess.

[GrimCoconut]

You've got to be smart about it, but I agree with this. It's been so frustrating to see us keep talented young players back until the guy above them in the depth chart gets overpaid by the Colts or the Browns - at which point they move in and block some other young player in the same way. I can understand wanting to keep the fire going or what have you, but there really is no substitute for proper game time.

I'm a bit surprised to hear about Perriman being thrown in as the X though. I'd have thought he'd be more of a Y/WR2/whateveryouknowhwhatimeananyway for at least his first year so he doesn't go up against the Revis types too soon. Ah well, we'll see soon enough I guess.

The one thing that stood out to me is the type of WR we now have. We have 4-5 guys who can be assets in the run game with Perriman, Waller, Brown and Aiken. Smith is another one who can be aggressive blocking. That's really a big deal, especially when you see our TE corps. I think this signifies that we won't have a true #1 WR but we'll use a rotation to get these guys snaps and experience. I'm convinced this is the end of Sr. I think he's here another year to teach the youngins lol. I think we want to do this to keep Sr fresh but to keep our WR corps fresh as a whole.

[Static]

We dont have anyone besides Perriman who can be the #1, We have Smith but he's old and was promised a reduced role. 

[Inqui]

The one thing that stood out to me is the type of WR we now have. We have 4-5 guys who can be assets in the run game with Perriman, Waller, Brown and Aiken. Smith is another one who can be aggressive blocking. That's really a big deal, especially when you see our TE corps. I think this signifies that we won't have a true #1 WR but we'll use a rotation to get these guys snaps and experience. I'm convinced this is the end of Sr. I think he's here another year to teach the youngins lol. I think we want to do this to keep Sr fresh but to keep our WR corps fresh as a whole.

You could be onto something there. I said before the draft that a WR1 is overrated as long as you have a string of guys who can get it done when needed - and the league does appear to be headed towards a WR by committee approach (sucks to be a fantasy owner).

 

I disagree about Smith Sr being done, although his numbers from the second half of the season were a bit concerning. I think he's got one more quality season in him, especially now that we have the sheer number of guys to come in and contribute. Although how do you see our 53-man roster shaping up in terms of WRs and TEs?

[GrimCoconut]

You could be onto something there. I said before the draft that a WR1 is overrated as long as you have a string of guys who can get it done when needed - and the league does appear to be headed towards a WR by committee approach (sucks to be a fantasy owner).

I disagree about Smith Sr being done, although his numbers from the second half of the season were a bit concerning. I think he's got one more quality season in him, especially now that we have the sheer number of guys to come in and contribute. Although how do you see our 53-man roster shaping up in terms of WRs and TEs?

I don't mean that he's done now. I mean I think he hangs them up at the end of this season. I think the reduced role is to preserve him for the playoffs. I think he retires in 2016.

I think Pitta goes on the PUP and Supernaw is on the PS and we keep 3 TE. I really see us keeping 6-7 WR, likely 7. Perriman, Campanaro and Smith Sr are locks, and while I think Brown and Aiken are also near locks, I could see one being the odd man out if someone really blows it up

[allblackraven]

I don't mean that he's done now. I mean I think he hangs them up at the end of this season. I think the reduced role is to preserve him for the playoffs. I think he retires in 2016.

I think Pitta goes on the PUP and Supernaw is on the PS and we keep 3 TE. I really see us keeping 6-7 WR, likely 7. Perriman, Campanaro and Smith Sr are locks, and while I think Brown and Aiken are also near locks, I could see one being the odd man out if someone really blows it up

I think Marlon is a lock, for sure. The beauty of this WR corps makeup is that we know from last year that four of these guys can produce when called upon (Senior, Marlon, Aiken and Camp). Perriman will, too and at least couple other new guys look like very useful additions. All of them physical and capable of doing all sorts of stuff. And Trestman is sneaky OC - he'll be able to work them, TEs and our backfield in really creative ways. I'm telling you, Ravens are going to be the most entertaining show to watch come September.

 

I can't wait.

[GrimCoconut]

I think Marlon is a lock, for sure. The beauty of this WR corps makeup is that we know from last year that four of these guys can produce when called upon (Senior, Marlon, Aiken and Camp). Perriman will, too and at least couple other new guys look like very useful additions. All of them physical and capable of doing all sorts of stuff. And Trestman is sneaky OC - he'll be able to work them, TEs and our backfield in really creative ways. I'm telling you, Ravens are going to be the most entertaining show to watch come September.

I can't wait.

I actually agree, I just have a fear of ever making a definitive comment unless it's clearly apparent to me without any question. As much as I doubt Brown goes anywhere, I don't see it happening.

[jazz1988]

and that is the best way to go about it. i am a huge fan of harbs, but one thing i have never been a fan of is how he is overly harsh in judging rookies, forcing a first round draft pick to cover kickoffs extensively before even seeing the field, that cripples growth, i think he learned that lesson with jimmy smith, he missed a ton of time because he was covering kickoffs vs pitt in week 1 when he should have been suiting up to see the field as a cb, ends up with a high ankle sprain and his growth was a major headache after that. i dont think its a coincidence that high draft picks ended up the starters almost immediately after jimmy's injury(torrey, upshaw, elam[blegh], mosley, and jernigan in heavy rotation) thats 4 consecutive years of rookies essentially being starters, things werent like that prior to jimmy's injury. 

 

im glad theyre throwing perriman into the fire, that whole "sit back and learn" thing just does not work in todays nfl, talented kids will just wither away on the sidelines with crushed confidence.

 

Harb tends to think if you able to impress on special teams then you should be able to do well on defense and offense. I honestly really don't have a problem with a first round player playing on special teams. I think they should start only if they earn it  and just like their confidence can be potentially crushed due to sitting on the bench it can happen while playing on the field  especially if they playing bad. So allowing them to start right off the bat comes with some negatives as well especially if you a cornerback in this passing league.

[beasy2487]

and that is the best way to go about it. i am a huge fan of harbs, but one thing i have never been a fan of is how he is overly harsh in judging rookies, forcing a first round draft pick to cover kickoffs extensively before even seeing the field, that cripples growth, i think he learned that lesson with jimmy smith, he missed a ton of time because he was covering kickoffs vs pitt in week 1 when he should have been suiting up to see the field as a cb, ends up with a high ankle sprain and his growth was a major headache after that. i dont think its a coincidence that high draft picks ended up the starters almost immediately after jimmy's injury(torrey, upshaw, elam[blegh], mosley, and jernigan in heavy rotation) thats 4 consecutive years of rookies essentially being starters, things werent like that prior to jimmy's injury. 

 

im glad theyre throwing perriman into the fire, that whole "sit back and learn" thing just does not work in todays nfl, talented kids will just wither away on the sidelines with crushed confidence.

 

I love your enthusiasm and general ravens expertise but I think you're a little off base here with Harbs' assessment of rookies (admitted Harbaugh lover here). Torrey was drafted in the same year as Jimmy Smith, and Jimmy still played special teams after he came back from injury. Elam and Mosley were in totally different situations at their respective positions and Jernigan was eased into the rotation gradually over the course of last year.

 

I agree with you that it's good we're looking at Perriman to contribute early but I think that is only going to come to pass because we deem him ready. If we don't believe he's the best player for the job, he won't have the job.

[polynesian15]

I don't mean that he's done now. I mean I think he hangs them up at the end of this season. I think the reduced role is to preserve him for the playoffs. I think he retires in 2016.

I think Pitta goes on the PUP and Supernaw is on the PS and we keep 3 TE. I really see us keeping 6-7 WR, likely 7. Perriman, Campanaro and Smith Sr are locks, and while I think Brown and Aiken are also near locks, I could see one being the odd man out if someone really blows it up

If that's the case, I hope he makes a big announcement late in the year about "this is my last ride..." and delivers a passionate speech similar to what ray did. That turned out pretty well for us.

The team made sure Ed got his ring before "retiring". Now, let's go get Smitty the one thing lacking on his football resume as well.

 

[D-Rey]

Didn't know Perriman was the lowest rated player (2 stars) coming out of high school taken in the first round. It kind of tells me he works hard to get where he wants to be.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490995/article/how-2015-firstround-draft-picks-rated-as-high-school-recruits

Edited May 6, 2015 by D-Rey

[Cville-Raven]

Didn't know Perriman was the lowest rated player (2 stars) coming out of high school taken in the first round. It kind of tells me he works hard to get where he wants to be.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490995/article/how-2015-firstround-draft-picks-rated-as-high-school-recruits

Its definitely impressive

[GrimCoconut]

Didn't know Perriman was the lowest rated player (2 stars) coming out of high school taken in the first round. It kind of tells me he works hard to get where he wants to be.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490995/article/how-2015-firstround-draft-picks-rated-as-high-school-recruits

Yeah, I've said before that I think the most important aspect of any player in the NFL is their mental makeup, although athleticism is extremely important. I believe drive and effort are the true keys to success in anything, but you can see this manifest in a player like Ray Lewis. He epitomizes this, and as discussed in another thread, a guy like Antonio Brown is so successful because of his work ethic and effort.

[D-Rey]

Yeah, I've said before that I think the most important aspect of any player in the NFL is their mental makeup, although athleticism is extremely important. I believe drive and effort are the true keys to success in anything, but you can see this manifest in a player like Ray Lewis. He epitomizes this, and as discussed in another thread, a guy like Antonio Brown is so successful because of his work ethic and effort.

I also heard he adsorbs information like a sponge. With his intelligence, work ethic (going off of what I hear), talent, and the people around him willing to teach him (Engram and SSS); I think he may become a very good WR.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Welcome to RavensNation Breshad (BP)!!!

 

When I saw the pre-draft focus ESPN rundown about a month ago - I just felt like you'd be a perfect Raven although I hadn't heard of you before I watched those clips and read your stats. I thought, that dude looks like Torrey and Boldin morphed into something beast-mode.

 

Bold Perdiction: You are going to be a standout WR before the end of the season and everybody will know your name when we reach the Super Bowl this season. They'll never ask, "Breshad Perriman...who...?", ever again.

 

GO Ravens!

[sflegend89]

The more film I've watched on on BP then better I feel about the pick. To be honest something that stood out to me the most as one of his strengths is actually his hands. Early catch window with arms extended, pure hands catcher. Doesn't use his forearms to cradle in the ball like Devante Parker does a decent amount. When you put on tape of BP and Kevin White they are really similar players, White also has that early catch window and is a pure hands catcher. Even their body control when they make a leaping grab is extremely similar. The biggest difference to me is just that White played in a pro style offense that throws the ball a lot and BP played in a spread offense and didn't get nearly the same volume of targets.

 

White is the more polished route runner and Perriman has a little more burst when he hits his 2nd gear. You can teach route running, you can't teach speed. I honestly see Perriman as the higher ceiling and White as the higher floor. Very similar players though, surprised more analysts didn't pick up on that comparison. 

 

Long term:

 

1. Amari Cooper

2a. Kevin White

2b. Breshad Perriman

3. Devante Parker

4. Nelson Agholor

5. Philip Dorsett

[GrimCoconut]

The more film I've watched on on BP then better I feel about the pick. To be honest something that stood out to me the most as one of his strengths is actually his hands. Early catch window with arms extended, pure hands catcher. Doesn't use his forearms to cradle in the ball like Devante Parker does a decent amount. When you put on tape of BP and Kevin White they are really similar players, White also has that early catch window and is a pure hands catcher. Even their body control when they make a leaping grab is extremely similar. The biggest difference to me is just that White played in a pro style offense that throws the ball a lot and BP played in a spread offense and didn't get nearly the same volume of targets.

White is the more polished route runner and Perriman has a little more burst when he hits his 2nd gear. You can teach route running, you can't teach speed. I honestly see Perriman as the higher ceiling and White as the higher floor. Very similar players though, surprised more analysts didn't pick up on that comparison.

Long term:

1. Amari Cooper

2a. Kevin White

2b. Breshad Perriman

3. Devante Parker

4. Nelson Agholor

5. Philip Dorsett

UCF actually runs a pro style offense and not a spread.

[ravensnick]

The more film I've watched on on BP then better I feel about the pick. To be honest something that stood out to me the most as one of his strengths is actually his hands. Early catch window with arms extended, pure hands catcher. Doesn't use his forearms to cradle in the ball like Devante Parker does a decent amount. When you put on tape of BP and Kevin White they are really similar players, White also has that early catch window and is a pure hands catcher. Even their body control when they make a leaping grab is extremely similar. The biggest difference to me is just that White played in a pro style offense that throws the ball a lot and BP played in a spread offense and didn't get nearly the same volume of targets.

 

White is the more polished route runner and Perriman has a little more burst when he hits his 2nd gear. You can teach route running, you can't teach speed. I honestly see Perriman as the higher ceiling and White as the higher floor. Very similar players though, surprised more analysts didn't pick up on that comparison. 

 

Long term:

 

1. Amari Cooper

2a. Kevin White

2b. Breshad Perriman

3. Devante Parker

4. Nelson Agholor

5. Philip Dorsett

That awkward moment when you have a really good post and then completely spend it down the trash because WVU is spread and UCF is a pro style. White is actually going to have to make a pretty big transition. Also not understanding what spread or pro style offense are. Seriously, it's in the name. Spread is called spread because they run plays that "spread" out the field and get their WRs open. Pro means NFL style routes and less scheme to get player open and letting them get themselves open. 

Edited May 6, 2015 by ravensnick

[PurpleCity5]

The more film I've watched on on BP then better I feel about the pick. To be honest something that stood out to me the most as one of his strengths is actually his hands. Early catch window with arms extended, pure hands catcher. Doesn't use his forearms to cradle in the ball like Devante Parker does a decent amount. When you put on tape of BP and Kevin White they are really similar players, White also has that early catch window and is a pure hands catcher. Even their body control when they make a leaping grab is extremely similar. The biggest difference to me is just that White played in a pro style offense that throws the ball a lot and BP played in a spread offense and didn't get nearly the same volume of targets.

 

White is the more polished route runner and Perriman has a little more burst when he hits his 2nd gear. You can teach route running, you can't teach speed. I honestly see Perriman as the higher ceiling and White as the higher floor. Very similar players though, surprised more analysts didn't pick up on that comparison. 

 

Long term:

 

1. Amari Cooper

2a. Kevin White

2b. Breshad Perriman

3. Devante Parker

4. Nelson Agholor

5. Philip Dorsett

I think for now, Parker is 3 and Perriman is 4. I felt that before the draft Perriman had a very high ceiling but not as high as a floor as Cooper, White, or Parker. I feel that Perriman will have no trouble jumping into a Pro Style offense as UCF ran a pro style offense that made him run a lot of different routes. The biggest knock on Perriman was that he's not fluid in his routes. Then again, neither is Parker or White. 

 

I think Parker has a great floor, but ceiling was my reasoning for souring on a trade up and staying put in 26. 

[PurpleCity5]

If I had to make a ranking on ceiling, this is what I'd come up with. 

 

1: Kevin White

2: Breshad Perriman 

3: Amari Cooper

4: Devin Smith

5: DeVante Parker

6: Philip Dorsett

Wild Card: Sammie Coates

[sflegend89]

UCF actually runs a pro style offense and not a spread.

 

You are correct. Just noticed that I flipped the two, that's why I was talking about more volume going to White though because of WVU's spread offense.

[sflegend89]

That awkward moment when you have a really good post and then completely spend it down the trash because WVU is spread and UCF is a pro style. White is actually going to have to make a pretty big transition. Also not understanding what spread or pro style offense are. Seriously, it's in the name. Spread is called spread because they run plays that "spread" out the field and get their WRs open. Pro means NFL style routes and less scheme to get player open and letting them get themselves open. 

 

The point I made was still valid, I just accidentally flipped them. Why would someone get more volume in a pro style offense vs spread? I mean if you notice the context it's clear what I meant.

[ravensnick]

The point I made was still valid, I just accidentally flipped them. Why would someone get more volume in a pro style offense vs spread? I mean if you notice the context it's clear what I meant.

Yeah but you also said that White will have an easier time adjusting to the league when it is opposite. White has had the scheme get him open lots of times, now he has to get himself open.

Edited May 6, 2015 by ravensnick

[sflegend89]

Yeah but you also said that White will have an easier time adjusting to the league when it is opposite. White has had the scheme get him open lots of times, now he has to get himself open.

 

Please show me in my post where I said that. All I said was that White is a more polished route runner (which is true and not saying much because it's easily BP's biggest area of weakness), and White has a higher floor (Which in my opinion is true and that's more based on the level of competition than college scheme)

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The more film I've watched on on BP then better I feel about the pick. To be honest something that stood out to me the most as one of his strengths is actually his hands. Early catch window with arms extended, pure hands catcher. Doesn't use his forearms to cradle in the ball like Devante Parker does a decent amount. When you put on tape of BP and Kevin White they are really similar players, White also has that early catch window and is a pure hands catcher. Even their body control when they make a leaping grab is extremely similar. The biggest difference to me is just that White played in a pro style offense that throws the ball a lot and BP played in a spread offense and didn't get nearly the same volume of targets.

 

White is the more polished route runner and Perriman has a little more burst when he hits his 2nd gear. You can teach route running, you can't teach speed. I honestly see Perriman as the higher ceiling and White as the higher floor. Very similar players though, surprised more analysts didn't pick up on that comparison. 

 

Long term:

 

1. Amari Cooper

2a. Kevin White

2b. Breshad Perriman

3. Devante Parker

4. Nelson Agholor

5. Philip Dorsett

Great assessment! Agreed.