Welcome to Baltimore, Breshad Perriman

[ravensnick]

Rannell Hall maybe?

Maybe

[beasy2487]

So, you are stating or my reading comprehension is off, that if Perrimen were to come out of every one of our games with 1 reception for 22 yards, you would be happy? Even as our number one pick? Sorry bud, but I have a little more hope than that.

 

I dunno, I think he's gonna be good.

[sflegend89]

"Perriman has rare measurables for the wide receiver position and will be a very attractive gamble for some team after the first round. He shows excellent vertical speed, especially for someone his size, and can be intimidating to a cornerback when isolated on the perimeter. He has the size of a tight end with the speed, agility and ball skills of a wide receiver. He needs a lot of work on his route running skills as he tends to round off his breaks and will telegraph his routes with too much upper body movement. He can make acrobatic type catches but will drop some very catchable passes due to lapses in concentration."

 

 

That's a standard scouting report on Perriman right? Needs a lot of work on his route running, drops catchable balls due to lapses in concentration. Those two things have been repeated over and over about Perriman right? Well that's actually Demaryius Thomas' scouting report and I changed the name, did anyone even notice I changed the name before I told you?

[BmoreBird22]

"Perriman has rare measurables for the wide receiver position and will be a very attractive gamble for some team after the first round. He shows excellent vertical speed, especially for someone his size, and can be intimidating to a cornerback when isolated on the perimeter. He has the size of a tight end with the speed, agility and ball skills of a wide receiver. He needs a lot of work on his route running skills as he tends to round off his breaks and will telegraph his routes with too much upper body movement. He can make acrobatic type catches but will drop some very catchable passes due to lapses in concentration."

 

 

That's a standard scouting report on Perriman right? Needs a lot of work on his route running, drops catchable balls due to lapses in concentration. Those two things have been repeated over and over about Perriman right? Well that's actually Demaryius Thomas' scouting report and I changed the name, did anyone even notice I changed the name before I told you?

Wait, that's Demaryius Thomas's scouting report? I thought you just pulled that off of Perriman's CBS report

[sflegend89]

Wait, that's Demaryius Thomas's scouting report? I thought you just pulled that off of Perriman's CBS report

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/demaryius-thomas?id=497328

 

Yup, that's actually about Demaryius Thomas when he entered the draft. Scary how you can swap the names and not even tell the difference.

[Inqui]

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/demaryius-thomas?id=497328

 

Yup, that's actually about Demaryius Thomas when he entered the draft. Scary how you can swap the names and not even tell the difference.

That's a good find, and certainly enough to get you excited about his upside.

 

Although just to play Devil's advocate:

 

Perriman is giant wide receiver that has the potential to develop into a starter at the next level. He is a speed builder that can get behind defensive backs and he quickly finds the ball in the air. He is a weapon over the middle, as he has strong reliable hands and the body control to make acrobatic catches in traffic. He is dangerous after the catch as he can run away from linebackers and over defensive backs. Perriman has to refine his route running skills, but he could sneak into the first round due to his freakish measurables.

 

 

 

As you can guess, that wasn't Perriman. The profile was of one Jon Baldwin, who nfl.com pegged as a likely Pro Bowler. Joe's obviously a lot better than Alex Smith, but I do think it shows how Perriman's probably going to be one of those boom or bust guys.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Inqui

[TXRavensFan]

Funny you mention that:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597

 

NFL COMPARISON  

Josh Gordon

 

BOTTOM LINE

 Rare combination of size, top-end speed and suddenness that can be found in some of the best receivers in the game. Arrow is pointed way up on Perriman and he is one of the most discussed prospects in draft rooms around the league. His drops will drive teams crazy, but his physical traits and ability to hit the big play should warrant early consideration.

 

The thing that gets me, and why I'm convinced these media "scouts" don't really watch tape, but just restate what has previously been written is this tidbit from the same report:

 

"Too much double catching and his focus drops over second half of the season were maddening to watch."

 

Now hasn't it been well established from those who actually watched his tape that his drops were from his sophomore year and the first half of last season, and he didn't have any drops at all over the second half? It's clear that whoever wrote this didn't watch any tape, let alone was "maddened" by it.

 

Media hacks

Edited May 5, 2015 by TXRavensFan

[Cville-Raven]

The thing that gets me, and why I'm convinced these media "scouts" don't really watch tape, but just restate what has previously been written is this tidbit from the same report:

"Too much double catching and his focus drops over second half of the season were maddening to watch."

Now hasn't it been well established from those who actually watched his tape that his drops were from his sophomore year and the first half of last season, and he didn't have any drops at all over the second half? It's clear that whoever wrote this didn't watch any tape, let alone was "maddened" by it.

Media hacks

I didn't see a lot of double catching either

[allblackraven]

That's a good find, and certainly enough to get you excited about his upside.

 

Although just to play Devil's advocate:

 

As you can guess, that wasn't Perriman. The profile was of one Jon Baldwin, who nfl.com pegged as a likely Pro Bowler. Joe's obviously a lot better than Alex Smith, but I do think it shows how Perriman's probably going to be one of those boom or bust guys.

You're far from happy, aren't you?

[TXRavensFan]

I didn't see a lot of double catching either

 

Good call. I focused in on the drop thing when I read it, and totally glossed over that.

Edited May 5, 2015 by TXRavensFan

[Inqui]

You're far from happy, aren't you?

I'm never happy.

 

Actually the pick grew on me a lot in the first 24 hours or so after the selection. I'm more excited about his potential than any pick I can remember, but the bust potential is certainly there too. And I was one of those who was beyond excited about the first two picks in 2013 and I think I'm still a little jaded about that.

[allblackraven]

I'm never happy.

 

Actually the pick grew on me a lot in the first 24 hours or so after the selection. I'm more excited about his potential than any pick I can remember, but the bust potential is certainly there too. And I was one of those who was beyond excited about the first two picks in 2013 and I think I'm still a little jaded about that.

 

Heh, I wanted John Cyprien and Manti Te'o

[52520Andrew]

That's a good find, and certainly enough to get you excited about his upside.

Although just to play Devil's advocate:

As you can guess, that wasn't Perriman. The profile was of one Jon Baldwin, who nfl.com pegged as a likely Pro Bowler. Joe's obviously a lot better than Alex Smith, but I do think it shows how Perriman's probably going to be one of those boom or bust guys.

Smith didn't get there till 2013 and Baldwin was a 2011 guy so it isn't like Smith is an excuse either

[Inqui]

Smith didn't get there till 2013 and Baldwin was a 2011 guy so it isn't like Smith is an excuse either

Of course. Time for me to go and do penance for forgetting that.

 

I'm sure you agree with the point though, that every year there's one or two of these guys who gets picked high because of their ceiling. Some of them pan out and reward the GM for taking the risk, and others bust. Honestly I agree with ravensnick when he said it's about time Ozzie took a punt on one of these guys, and on paper we should be a really good spot for him. But how he develops is a huge unknown, and only time will tell.

 

The preseason can't come soon enough.

[Inqui]

Heh, I wanted John Cyprien and Manti Te'o

The safeties in general have been really disappointing in the past two years.

 

But yeah, I just remember feeling so pumped about that class and overall it was pretty so-so compared to my own expectations. And while I didn't hate last year's class (aside from the Kyle Wenning pick) I wasn't hugely excited about it either - and pretty much every pick there looks like a home run. So this year I'm excited about a fair few picks, but also trying to keep myself grounded.

[allblackraven]

Of course. Time for me to go and do penance for forgetting that.

 

I'm sure you agree with the point though, that every year there's one or two of these guys who gets picked high because of their ceiling. Some of them pan out and reward the GM for taking the risk, and others bust. Honestly I agree with ravensnick when he said it's about time Ozzie took a punt on one of these guys, and on paper we should be a really good spot for him. But how he develops is a huge unknown, and only time will tell.

 

The preseason can't come soon enough.

I didn't watch Perriman much until conversation with Truth during forum mock game but after watching him more and learning all this extra stuff about him that got revealed after the draft, I don't agree that he is a boom or bust guy. He may not become HoF wideout but I think he has too much of the physical/talent/determination/background makeup to miss on a decent NFL career. I see his floor as a competent #2. He also has the best QB situation of all the 1st rounders this year.

 

Be interesting to see in 5, 6 years who did what among White/Parker/Cooper/Perriman.

[sflegend89]

That's a good find, and certainly enough to get you excited about his upside.

 

Although just to play Devil's advocate:

 

 

 

 

As you can guess, that wasn't Perriman. The profile was of one Jon Baldwin, who nfl.com pegged as a likely Pro Bowler. Joe's obviously a lot better than Alex Smith, but I do think it shows how Perriman's probably going to be one of those boom or bust guys.

 

I think you made a valid point, for every Demaryius Thomas story there is also a Jon Baldwin when it comes to drafting WR's in the 1st round. Thankfully I do see some glaring differences between Perriman and Baldwin. Baldwin was taller and 20 lbs heavier than Perriman and beat db's with his long strides that covered a lot of ground. Baldwin didn't have nearly the suddenness or quick feet/agility that Perriman has. Baldwin did run a 4.5, pretty average speed overall even with his long strides. Perriman can hit that 2nd gear going vertical and show off some of that 4.27 speed, Baldwin didn't have a 2nd gear so he struggled separating in the NFL.

 

Perriman is overall just a lot more athletic and explosive in my honest opinion, Baldwin was a really good jumper and he made a living out of running 2 routes (Post and 9 route) at Pitt and played jump ball with the DB's or used his body well to shield off a DB in tight coverage. Speed kills and Perriman has it in spades, if he shapes his routes better to create better angles for YAC he can get the ball in space more.. and he's shown when he get's the ball in space he can break arm tackles, hit his 2nd gear and no one is catching him. Just explosive aspects to his game that Baldwin didn't have.

 

To me Baldwin was just a jump ball guy that also had above average athleticism and that was intriguing. Perriman is more versatile, like he said at his press conference, he can play like a smaller receiver and be elusive and quick, but he can also play like a bigger receiver and be physical, use his big frame to his advantage, and high point the ball against smaller DB's.

Edited May 5, 2015 by sflegend89

[BmoreBird22]

Smith didn't get there till 2013 and Baldwin was a 2011 guy so it isn't like Smith is an excuse either

Oh, I'd rather have had Alex Smith because he had the quarterback carousel of Matt Cassell and company. 

[The Raven]

So, what will we say if Gino plays well this year with Kubiak in Denver?

 

They'll blame Castillo. I bet a hundred dollars that's the shortsighted answer people will give.

[52520Andrew]

Oh, I'd rather have had Alex Smith because he had the quarterback carousel of Matt Cassell and company.

Yeah they weren't good either but given Alex Smith's reluctance to throw deep and Baldwin being a height weight speed type guy, it can't be good.

[Free Agent]

This article that was in today's Late for Work made me feel a ton more hopeful about the concerns with Perriman's hands.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-news-notes-and-opinions-dennis-pitta-nfl-draft-20150503-story.html#page=1

 

Basically in the article, Perriman's college coach talks about him being the big play threat. As a result, he was constantly running the deep plays in practice, which wore him down by game day. As the season went on, they reduced his reps in practice to keep him fresh, and sure enough as Harbs pointed out, Perriman's hands improved towards the end of the season.

 

I played wide receiver in high school, and I know exactly what Perriman's coach is talking about. When you're fresh and running a route, the route running is easy and you can put all of your focus into making the catch. But when you're tired, you have to exert so much extra effort in running a crisp route that you can't turn your focus over to making the catch quickly enough, occasionally leading to a drop. This was a phenomenon that I experienced several times in high school practices.

 

After reading those comments, I honestly feel a whole lot better about Perriman's hands. Hopefully we look back on all of these concerns as an afterthought after this season.

[polynesian15]

This article that was in today's Late for Work made me feel a ton more hopeful about the concerns with Perriman's hands.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-news-notes-and-opinions-dennis-pitta-nfl-draft-20150503-story.html#page=1

 

Basically in the article, Perriman's college coach talks about him being the big play threat. As a result, he was constantly running the deep plays in practice, which wore him down by game day. As the season went on, they reduced his reps in practice to keep him fresh, and sure enough as Harbs pointed out, Perriman's hands improved towards the end of the season.

 

I played wide receiver in high school, and I know exactly what Perriman's coach is talking about. When you're fresh and running a route, the route running is easy and you can put all of your focus into making the catch. But when you're tired, you have to exert so much extra effort in running a crisp route that you can't turn your focus over to making the catch quickly enough, occasionally leading to a drop. This was a phenomenon that I experienced several times in high school practices.

 

After reading those comments, I honestly feel a whole lot better about Perriman's hands. Hopefully we look back on all of these concerns as an afterthought after this season.

Interesting points. 

I'm sure the Ravens have done their due diligence x 10 on all aspects of Breshad and his game.

50-60 rec/900-1100 yards/5-10 TD's is within Perriman's reach this season imo.

[izvoodoo]

Honestly I just have so much more hope in our ability to develope wide receivers.  

[Ravens4Real]

Honestly I just have so much more hope in our ability to develope wide receivers.

I hope this is sarcasm?

[izvoodoo]

I hope this is sarcasm?

Nah, I mean it.  Just more faith in the coaching and Flacco.  We've had such a dearth of offensive coaching talent for years now.  Not to say Bobby Engram is a fix all, but I just knew we couldn't develope guys with Jim Hostler, Cam Cameron and Jim Caldwell.  I have much more faith with Engram and Trestman.

 

Now keep in mind, I said hope.  Not certainty.  I'm just more optimistic about the system, Joe and the coaching staff than before.  

[ravensfan160]

Honestly I just have so much more hope in our ability to develope wide receivers.  

Having a good QB probably has something to do with it. I think people make too much out of Ozzie's history drafting WRs when its only been in the last few years where we've had a decent enough offense.

[berad]

Nah, I mean it.  Just more faith in the coaching and Flacco.  We've had such a dearth of offensive coaching talent for years now.  Not to say Bobby Engram is a fix all, but I just knew we couldn't develope guys with Jim Hostler, Cam Cameron and Jim Caldwell.  I have much more faith with Engram and Trestman.

 

Now keep in mind, I said hope.  Not certainty.  I'm just more optimistic about the system, Joe and the coaching staff than before.  

 

Yup, i saw much bigger strides in our young WRs under Engram/Kubiak than ever before with Hostler/Cameron/Caldwell. The only guy who regressed, seemingly, was Torrey Smith.

 

Hopefully that continues with Trestman but we never were able to develop WRs.

[Purple_City39]

Having a good QB probably has something to do with it. I think people make too much out of Ozzie's history drafting WRs when its only been in the last few years where we've had a decent enough offense.

Yeah, Flacco does deserve credit here also.  How many guys have come in and seemed to have instant chemistry early on in recent years?

 

Boldin, Smith Sr, Aiken, Brown, Campanaro, Daniels, etc.  Some times it gets worse as the season wears on (which could be attributed to a lot of things) but initial reaction with most receiving options in recent years has been about how they formed very quick chemistry with Joe.

[izvoodoo]

Yup, i saw much bigger strides in our young WRs under Engram/Kubiak than ever before with Hostler/Cameron/Caldwell. The only guy who regressed, seemingly, was Torrey Smith.

 

Hopefully that continues with Trestman but we never were able to develop WRs.

Right.  I have some forgiveness for guys though, since it was a totally different system.  This is why continuity is so important.

[baltimorefan328]

Having a good QB probably has something to do with it. I think people make too much out of Ozzie's history drafting WRs when its only been in the last few years where we've had a decent enough offense.

This is like the number one point I love and that a lot of people don't seem to point to. Sure Travis Taylor and Mark Clayton weren't great, but they also had guys like Kyle Boller, troy smith, and a worn down Steve McNair throwing to them. I think Engram and Hammock bring a lot in terms of coaching to this team and when you have a good quarterback guys just develop way faster. Of course it does still come down to the player and Perriman seems like a pretty motivated guy