Welcome to Baltimore, Breshad Perriman

[allblackraven]

Rumor (not really, it's a joke) has it that Ozzie Newsome sent Jerry Coleman of 105.7 The Fan a personally signed picture of Perriman holding up his jersey in response to his stupid question during the draft press conference.

What was the question?

[JoeyFlex5]

 

Disappointing hands that led to too many drops in college

Lacks polish and technique to the position

Raw in his routes, relying on speed and athleticism over precision

Fights the ball at times, especially when working back to the quarterback

Redirected in his routes more than expected for a receiver his size

 

Similar

 

ok, first of all, he had some issues early in the season and finished the 2nd half of his season with zero dropped catchable passes, a big fat zero, secondly, take into consideration the hot garbage qb that was throwing hot garbage balls that he had to make absurd adjustments to. 

 

raw in his routes, true, but shows a clear ability to run them, lacks polish and refinement, but the routes are there, coates on the other hand, has straight line speed and completely lacks the agility and suddenness to break off sharp routes, perriman is much better off in that department, just needs a bit of coaching, but no amount of coaching can teach coates to just change his physical limitations. 

 

you did not say similar, you said literally the same player. but lets be real, they are not even similar, they have a few similar traits, a FEW, like being fast and raw, aside from that they couldnt be any more different. not to mention, perrimans raw-ness can be coached because he shows clearly superior physical ability than coates in all aspects aside from muscle mass, coates isnt gifted with the agility or natural body control to be a complete wr like perriman, nor does he seem to have the capacity to attack the ball with his hands. are you done yet? i can debunk ur wrongness all day

[GrimCoconut]

What was the question?

I'll look it up. Berad mentioned it in the thread a couple of weeks back. There's a thread here on it if that helps.

[Cville-Raven]

The QB he had during his final year seems to have had zero touch and threw fastballs most of the time. Not to mention his lack of accuracy.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Cville-Raven

[sflegend89]

 Im happy Oz pulled the trigger finally on WR early in the draft but guess who drafted another wr similar to Perriman? The steelers in the 3rd round got sammie coates.

To me they are the same player. On tape Coates looks faster, more physical , made bigger catches in bigger games, and plays with more heart. Look at that stiff arm he did vs Texas A&M thats some Vernon Davis like stuff and he's a WR. 

i dont know I just see Coates and Perriman having the same potential going into the NFL. Perriman is going to get more playing time cause he a 1st rounder and all that and Coates is on a stacked WR group and a 3rd rounder. im hoping perriman is a stud and i believe he'll be great for us. Its just in the back of my mind that the steelers drafted another WR that can turn out to be pretty good in the 3rd round.

 

 

i wonder if Randy Gregory or Dgb was even on their board. hmm

 

go ravens!

 

 

I swear the only reason people compare Coates to Perriman is because they have a similar build and dreads. It's like comparing a washed up version of Dwayne Bowe to rookie Julio Jones because they look similar in uniform. 

 

Not only is Perriman taller and faster, but he has far better intangibles as well. Perriman has softer hands, better ball skills, plucks the ball out of the air while Coates hauls it in using his arms. There's a reason Perriman was regarded as a top 15 talent and Coates was a borderline 3rd rounder. Coates is just another Martavis Bryant, he will contribute sporadically but overall can't be relied upon on a consistent basis. Perriman is a legit #1 WR prospect.

Edited May 5, 2015 by sflegend89

[allblackraven]

I'll look it up. Berad mentioned it in the thread a couple of weeks back. There's a thread here on it if that helps.

Ah yep, found it and then remembered. Really dumb.

[BmoreBird22]

I wonder how many Perriman to Torrey Smith comparisons would have been made if Torrey never played for Ravens. It's nothing else but people's lazyness. Wearing purple at one stage of their careers is pretty much the only similarity these two guys will ever share. And SB rings.

And that's what I was thinking about earlier. If he had been drafted by any team other than the Ravens or 49ers, he'd be compared to someone like Gordon.

[Footman DCXLV]

And that's what I was thinking about earlier. If he had been drafted by any team other than the Ravens or 49ers, he'd be compared to someone like Gordon.

 

This is a good point (though maybe wishful thinking that he can perform like Gordon). But, any analysis that says Perriman is physical shouldn't then compare him to Torrey. He's actually faster based on 40-times, though one comparison could be that neither seemed to play as fast as they're perceived to be. I loved Torrey as a Raven, but every time I think about that last pick Joe threw to end our chances in New England, any chance that Perriman would have tried to make a play on that kind of ball should epitomize the differences between Torrey and Perriman.

Torrey was the best receiver the Ravens ever drafted, and was rightfully beloved in Baltimore. But, I'm ready to move on with a different receiving corps, hopefully led by Perriman as Joe enters the back half of his career.

[ravensnick]

And that's what I was thinking about earlier. If he had been drafted by any team other than the Ravens or 49ers, he'd be compared to someone like Gordon.

Funny you mention that:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597

 

NFL COMPARISON  

Josh Gordon

 

BOTTOM LINE

 Rare combination of size, top-end speed and suddenness that can be found in some of the best receivers in the game. Arrow is pointed way up on Perriman and he is one of the most discussed prospects in draft rooms around the league. His drops will drive teams crazy, but his physical traits and ability to hit the big play should warrant early consideration.

Edited May 5, 2015 by ravensnick

[BmoreBird22]

Funny you mention that:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597

 

NFL COMPARISON  

Josh Gordon

 

BOTTOM LINE

 Rare combination of size, top-end speed and suddenness that can be found in some of the best receivers in the game. Arrow is pointed way up on Perriman and he is one of the most discussed prospects in draft rooms around the league. His drops will drive teams crazy, but his physical traits and ability to hit the big play should warrant early consideration.

Gordon is just that big, physical, fast guy who's not a great route runner yet and I see that in Perriman

[hawkprey]

The QB he had during his final year seems to have had zero touch and threw fastballs most of the time. Not to mention his lack of accuracy.

Gonna be a rough year for Torrey...

[PolishRifle]

Gordon is just that big, physical, fast guy who's not a great route runner yet and I see that in Perriman

 

The main difference is, that no one ever questioned Gordon's ability to catch. He has 10" hands. Breshad has 9 1/4". I really hope BP will prove all his critics wrong, but that ESPN lowlight reel of his drops was kinda rough to look at. He has some work to do.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFv8MM6Pw2U

 

The drops start at around 1:50. The quality is bad, but that's the only video I could find.

Edited May 5, 2015 by PolishRifle

[Ravens4Real]

My problem with Perrimen is the competition he went up against. We are all throwing out how his stats could be better but his QB is hot garbage. Well look at UCF's schedule. That is hot garbage.

There were only a couple teams that I could even find that I deemed, personally, respectable. Of those games, he had a good game against NCState, decent against PSU, and didn't have more than 43 yards against Mizzou and UCONN. The thing that frightens me, is out of that whole list, I can only think of Byron Jones UCONN as the only CB he would have went against that was drafted. Held him to 2 for 43. That simply won't cut it.

I'm not saying that he is going to be terrible just because he didn't do well against good competition. Just saying some need to temper some expectations until we actually find out what he can even do against NFL caliber starting CB's. He's not going to get to see CB's from BETHCO and TEMPLE University every week.

[Cville-Raven]

Gonna be a rough year for Torrey...

Yeah, Kaep throws one way and only one way. I'm glad Torrey cashed in though. Edited May 5, 2015 by Cville-Raven

[ravensnick]

The main difference is, that no one ever questioned Gordon's ability to catch. He has 10" hands. Breshad has 9 1/4". I really hope BP will prove all his critics wrong, but man that ESPN lowlight reel of his drops was kinda rough to look at. He has some work to do.

AJ Green and Calvin Johnson also have 9 1/4" hands. 

Edited May 5, 2015 by ravensnick

[beasy2487]

My problem with Perrimen is the competition he went up against. We are all throwing out how his stats could be better but his QB is hot garbage. Well look at UCF's schedule. That is hot garbage.

There were only a couple teams that I could even find that I deemed, personally, respectable. Of those games, he had a good game against NCState, decent against PSU, and didn't have more than 43 yards against Mizzou and UCONN. The thing that frightens me, is out of that whole list, I can only think of Byron Jones UCONN as the only CB he would have went against that was drafted. Held him to 2 for 43. That simply won't cut it.

I'm not saying that he is going to be terrible just because he didn't do well against good competition. Just saying some need to temper some expectations until we actually find out what he can even do against NFL caliber starting CB's. He's not going to get to see CB's from BETHCO and TEMPLE University every week.

 

Averaging 21.5 yards a catch with a disembodied arm throwing him the ball won't cut it? Well.

[BmoreBird22]

The main difference is, that no one ever questioned Gordon's ability to catch. He has 10" hands. Breshad has 9 1/4". I really hope BP will prove all his critics wrong, but that ESPN lowlight reel of his drops was kinda rough to look at. He has some work to do.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFv8MM6Pw2U

 

The drops start at around 1:50. The quality is bad, but that's the only video I could find.

Know who else has 9 1/4 inch hands? Calvin Johnson

[PolishRifle]

I'm not saying that he is going to be terrible just because he didn't do well against good competition. Just saying some need to temper some expectations until we actually find out what he can even do against NFL caliber starting CB's. He's not going to get to see CB's from BETHCO and TEMPLE University every week.

 

1st round draft pick. Everyone expects him to produce right now. Matt Elam has been with us for 2 seasons and...

 

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/61943-is-matt-elam-a-bust/

 

 

 

Know who else has 9 1/4 inch hands? Calvin Johnson

 

AJ Green and Calvin Johnson also have 9 1/4" hands. 

 

That's great, but no one questioned the catching ability of those guys either. Sometimes small hands do translate to bad hands, for other guys it doesn't. I'm just saying, that all those guys never had an issue with the most important part of being a WR. Catching. Breshad dropped alot of balls and double caught a couple others. He needs to spend alot of time with the jugs machine.

Edited May 5, 2015 by PolishRifle

[Cville-Raven]

My problem with Perrimen is the competition he went up against. We are all throwing out how his stats could be better but his QB is hot garbage. Well look at UCF's schedule. That is hot garbage.

There were only a couple teams that I could even find that I deemed, personally, respectable. Of those games, he had a good game against NCState, decent against PSU, and didn't have more than 43 yards against Mizzou and UCONN. The thing that frightens me, is out of that whole list, I can only think of Byron Jones UCONN as the only CB he would have went against that was drafted. Held him to 2 for 43. That simply won't cut it.

I'm not saying that he is going to be terrible just because he didn't do well against good competition. Just saying some need to temper some expectations until we actually find out what he can even do against NFL caliber starting CB's. He's not going to get to see CB's from BETHCO and TEMPLE University every week.

I'm sure the Ravens were concerned about that when they drafted Joe Flacco...

[Ravens4Real]

Averaging 21.5 yards a catch with a disembodied arm throwing him the ball won't cut it? Well.

So, you are stating or my reading comprehension is off, that if Perrimen were to come out of every one of our games with 1 reception for 22 yards, you would be happy? Even as our number one pick? Sorry bud, but I have a little more hope than that.

[ravensnick]

My problem with Perrimen is the competition he went up against. We are all throwing out how his stats could be better but his QB is hot garbage. Well look at UCF's schedule. That is hot garbage.

There were only a couple teams that I could even find that I deemed, personally, respectable. Of those games, he had a good game against NCState, decent against PSU, and didn't have more than 43 yards against Mizzou and UCONN. The thing that frightens me, is out of that whole list, I can only think of Byron Jones UCONN as the only CB he would have went against that was drafted. Held him to 2 for 43. That simply won't cut it.

I'm not saying that he is going to be terrible just because he didn't do well against good competition. Just saying some need to temper some expectations until we actually find out what he can even do against NFL caliber starting CB's. He's not going to get to see CB's from BETHCO and TEMPLE University every week.

As said before: extremely crappy QB. Like the kid couldn't be much worse. Also, two other legit WRs in Rannell Hall and JJ Worton that were very good college player, UDFA in the NFL. 

Edited May 5, 2015 by ravensnick

[ravensnick]

So, you are stating or my reading comprehension is off, that if Perrimen were to come out of every one of our games with 1 reception for 22 yards, you would be happy? Even as our number one pick? Sorry bud, but I have a little more hope than that.

He was saying that what Perriman did with a horrid QB last year was amazing. 22 yds  per catch wasn't meant to be a stat for him to go after.

Edited May 5, 2015 by ravensnick

[Ravens4Real]

I'm sure the Ravens were concerned about that when they drafted Joe Flacco...

For every one Joe Flacco, who produced in an inferior league and still did well in the NFL, I could find you 20 players who did the same and fell on their faces in the NFL. It's easy to cherry pick.

[ravensnick]

For every one Joe Flacco, who produced in an inferior league and still did well in the NFL, I could find you 20 players who did the same and fell on their faces in the NFL. It's easy to cherry pick.

About 50% of SEC 1st rounders bust. It ain't exclusive to the "minor" leagues. 

Edited May 5, 2015 by ravensnick

[PolishRifle]

I'm sure the Ravens were concerned about that when they drafted Joe Flacco...

 

I'm sure the Ravens were concerned about that when they drafted Gino Gradkowski...

 

Sometimes it workd out, very often it doesn't. Hey, I'm really hoping that Bobby Engram can fix Perriman. I really do.

Edited May 5, 2015 by PolishRifle

[BmoreBird22]

I'm sure the Ravens were concerned about that when they drafted Gino Gradkowski...

 

Sometimes it workd out, very often it doesn't.

So, what will we say if Gino plays well this year with Kubiak in Denver?

[Ravens4Real]

About 50% of SEC 1st rounders bust. It ain't exclusive to the "minor" leagues.

Not saying you are wrong, but, if you don't post a valid and reliable source/article, then I will simply choose to not believe you.

[BmoreBird22]

Not saying you are wrong, but, if you don't post a valid and reliable source/article, then I will simply choose to not believe you.

You'd be very hard to find an official stat for that because the subjective nature of the word bust.

[ravensnick]

Not saying you are wrong, but, if you don't post a valid and reliable source/article, then I will simply choose to not believe you.

This is going to sound subjective but a couple of buddies of mine pulled up players taken in the first round 2003-2011. We looked over the stats over a couple year, how long they stayed in the league, etc. Maybe not the best, but a ton of SEC players in the first round were obvious busts. Just ment to be a poinbt rather than a specific. 

Edited May 5, 2015 by ravensnick

[allblackraven]

As said before: extremely crappy QB. Like the kid couldn't be much worse. Also, two other legit WRs in Ronnie Hall and JJ Worton that were very good college player, UDFA in the NFL. 

Rannell Hall maybe?