Welcome to Baltimore, Breshad Perriman

[TDubbs]

I wish people would avoid trying to compare BP to Torrey. Is it really necessary? Why not just support our 1st round WR and see how he pans out when he hits the field.

 

A lot of people did the same complaining when we drafted Mosley last year, and look how that worked out. Seems Ozzie usually has a plan that surprises a few of us now and then. 

[allblackraven]

Where a guy gets picked depends on where teams think they can take him where he is still available. Just because the Ravens had him rated high doesn't mean that they wouldn't have tried to trade back for more picks if they thought he'd still be there early in the 2nd round which is where he would have been if there wasn't that run on WRs--again 6 in the 1st round. That's why the Ravens grabbed him at #26, because they knew he wouldn't be there much longer. Three more WRs were taken among the first 9 picks in the 2nd round, then the run on them ended. With 9 WRs taken during the first 41 picks for 22% of the first 41 picks. Nearly 1 out of 4 picks were WRs.

 

We all new 3 WRs are going in first 10-15 picks. Agholor was rated 1st by many, too. There was hardly a run on WRs up to that point.

Edited May 3, 2015 by allblackraven

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I remember watching his father play and making a name for himself.  Breshad, it's your time to make a name for yourself. Just go out and play hard and make the other teams try to figure out how to stop #18. Play like a Raven and with a chip on your shoulder.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I wish people would avoid trying to compare BP to Torrey. Is it really necessary? Why not just support our 1st round WR and see how he pans out when he hits the field.

 

A lot of people did the same complaining when we drafted Mosley last year, and look how that worked out. Seems Ozzie usually has a plan that surprises a few of us now and then. 

Sure did I remember it like it was yesterday.... A lot of complaining going on these boards for sure. I wont judge any of our draft picks until they had a real chance to learn and compete at the NFL level.

[allblackraven]

One thing I learned is we didn't value Brown, Dorsett, Harold, Smith, OO as I thought we would. If we did, then we wouldn't have said we'd have traded back if Perriman was off the board. I think he was our last 1st round grade guy.

 

Yeah, most of us had trouble figuring who is the 1st rounder after first 20-25 players this year. It's not strange that the team had even less on their board.

[Inqui]

One thing I learned is we didn't value Brown, Dorsett, Harold, Smith, OO as I thought we would. If we did, then we wouldn't have said we'd have traded back if Perriman was off the board. I think he was our last 1st round grade guy.

That's true. And an extension of that would be that it's telling how we liked Perriman enough to not trade back for some of those guys. Although I do think we'd have taken Harold or Odiggy in the third if they were there.

 

Did I tell you I'm really starting to hate the Giants?

[JoeyFlex5]

I wish people would avoid trying to compare BP to Torrey. Is it really necessary? Why not just support our 1st round WR and see how he pans out when he hits the field.

 

A lot of people did the same complaining when we drafted Mosley last year, and look how that worked out. Seems Ozzie usually has a plan that surprises a few of us now and then. 

im sick of the comparison man. i understand making comparisons to current players, but at least make an accurate one. i truly think its because he is fast and has dreads so he automatically draws comparisons to torrey. i think the most accurate one ive seen is demaryius thomas, and i also think michael irvin made a good connection by comparing him to andre johnson, 3 guys with similar measurables across the board, all 3 had questions of raw route running coming out but showed the natural shiftiness to learn, all 3 had questions about the occasional drop(though AJ worked that out for sure) and all 3 could really attack that ball and make some circus catches. i think there is absolutely zero base for the torrey comparisons

[RavensFanMania]

just wanted to give everyone a heads up that Matt Waldman, rsp film room, will be breaking down Breshad Perriman on Monday.  Looking forward to seeing it when it becomes available.

 

I asked if he could do Waller as well and he said he would look into it. 

[Cville-Raven]

I watched his game against BYU recently. Really liked the way he plucked the ball with his hands. 

[polynesian15]

im sick of the comparison man. i understand making comparisons to current players, but at least make an accurate one. i truly think its because he is fast and has dreads so he automatically draws comparisons to torrey. i think the most accurate one ive seen is demaryius thomas, and i also think michael irvin made a good connection by comparing him to andre johnson, 3 guys with similar measurables across the board, all 3 had questions of raw route running coming out but showed the natural shiftiness to learn, all 3 had questions about the occasional drop(though AJ worked that out for sure) and all 3 could really attack that ball and make some circus catches. i think there is absolutely zero base for the torrey comparisons

I agree Joey, and those are certainly intriguing comparisons.

I think one of the reason for the Torrey comparisons, is with regards to Perriman becoming a bust or not. 

Many, myself included, have argued that Perriman as a rookie is better than Torrey as a rookie (maybe even Torrey heading into his 5th season). With better coaching, QB play and a professional organization around him, it bodes well for Perriman's chances of succeeding at the next level. He should at least amount to what Torrey has done, and in that case he wouldn't be a total bust imo. 

[RavensFanMania]

Sure did I remember it like it was yesterday.... A lot of complaining going on these boards for sure. I wont judge any of our draft picks until they had a real chance to learn and compete at the NFL level.

It's really said, when there is complaining when you land Mosely in the 1st and Jernigan in the 2nd.

[jdynamite]

I can honestly say I don't know much about the guy and didn't know anything about him until about 2-3 weeks ago when Mayock moved him ahead of Strong in his rankings. So I won't talk as if I've watched anything more then highlight videos on this guy. So without actually seeing him play, the drops scare me just as much as everyone else.

However Mike Irvin made an interesting point and it was kind of backed up by something Harbs said they discovered while watching tape on him, that really put me at ease thinking the drops won't be a major problem with NFL coaching. Irvin said in watching tape on Perriman, there was no other WR who made more clutch plays on 3rd and 4th downs then him. Irvin called them money downs. Then a comment was made that Harbs said the Ravens didn't start work on him til late due to him being a Junior, but something they found in the tape was that Perriman was much more consistent during the second half of this past season.

Those two statements makes me think it's more of a concentration factor with his drops. Inconsistent hands doesn't mean poor hands if that makes sense. Also Mike Irvin compared him with Andre Johnson. Makes me wonder how much this guy would have developed if he stayed at the U. One of the biggest things I love about Perriman is his speed actually shows up on the field (in his hightlights). He's not a great route runner but he already seems to be an improvement over Torrey in that area so it's a plus.

Maybe I'm wrong but I honestly don't remember this kid ever being with The U ( I think maybe you mixing him up with Denzel Perryman ). Because if he Perriman were at The U at any point I would recall him in competition Hurns, Dorsett, Waters. I've been waiting for a bigger WR to develop for us. ( got my fingers crossed Stacy Coley has big a season next year at the U ) lol.

[jdynamite]

I was on bleacher report, I saw a bunch of Ravens fans complaining about the team "reaching" for offensive players and they felt we should have past on one or both Perriman & Williams in favor of a CB and RB.

All I could think of how last year people complained that it was back to back defense players, screamed give Joe some weapons ( we all can agree we wanted a WR much earlier than getting Campanaro in 7th lol ). Fast forward to this year, front office gets two highly rated offensive talents ( now people are complaining that CB, RB, Pass rusher wasn't addressed early enough. ). People just never happy with a pick.

[GrimCoconut]

I was on bleacher report, I saw a bunch of Ravens fans complaining about the team "reaching" for offensive players and they felt we should have past on one or both Perriman & Williams in favor of a CB and RB.

All I could think of how last year people complained that it was back to back defense players, screamed give Joe some weapons ( we all can agree we wanted a WR much earlier than getting Campanaro in 7th lol ). Fast forward to this year, front office gets two highly rated offensive talents ( now people are complaining that CB, RB, Pass rusher wasn't addressed early enough. ). People just never happy with a pick.

People always want to complain.

[K-Dog]

People always want to complain.

I really dont think some RAVENS fans will ever be happy.

[ravensfan160]

I really dont think some RAVENS fans will ever be happy.

That goes for all fans. I have been browsing Steeler forums and they are even more negative it seems.

[Ravensfan23]

Maybe I'm wrong but I honestly don't remember this kid ever being with The U ( I think maybe you mixing him up with Denzel Perryman ). Because if he Perriman were at The U at any point I would recall him in competition Hurns, Dorsett, Waters. I've been waiting for a bigger WR to develop for us. ( got my fingers crossed Stacy Coley has big a season next year at the U ) lol.

just a mistake on my part that I never corrected. If he went to the U i wouldn't be nearly as excited about him(Noles fan), lol But it was just a mistake on my part. I'm well aware of Perryman as I was a fan of his play as well as Duke Johnson. I can't stand "The U"nder achievers but i do recognize good talent. You guys had a really solid QB last season too, I believe he was a freshman. I remember thinking that was probably the only reason we pulled that game out against you guys because as good as your QB played, it just came down to which QB would rise in the biggest moments and Jameis did that consistently. 

[Ravensfan23]

I really dont think some RAVENS fans will ever be happy.

 

That goes for all fans. I have been browsing Steeler forums and they are even more negative it seems.

 

that's what makes the draft so great imo. Because you never know which players will hit and which will miss. I'm sure the Ravens brass was just as excited to land Elam as they were to land Mosley, but until you get these guys on the field you just never know what you got. 

 

Regardless of how much college football we watch as fans, in most cases we are just at the mercy of big names and highlight reels. We don't break down film for a living and most don't have that eye for talent like scouts do and even they get it wrong most times. So when it comes to either later round picks or just the difference between a guy who you don't really know much about as opposed to a guy who you actually know from college football, we want the guy we know about. 

 

I would love to be inside the draft room, not on draft day but on the days when the final draft broad is put together because I know in many cases the scouts and personnel staff are just like us fans in terms of pounding the table for a certain guy but others just not agreeing with what you see. 

[gtalk12]

that's what makes the draft so great imo. Because you never know which players will hit and which will miss. I'm sure the Ravens brass was just as excited to land Elam as they were to land Mosley, but until you get these guys on the field you just never know what you got. 

 

Regardless of how much college football we watch as fans, in most cases we are just at the mercy of big names and highlight reels. We don't break down film for a living and most don't have that eye for talent like scouts do and even they get it wrong most times. So when it comes to either later round picks or just the difference between a guy who you don't really know much about as opposed to a guy who you actually know from college football, we want the guy we know about. 

 

I would love to be inside the draft room, not on draft day but on the days when the final draft broad is put together because I know in many cases the scouts and personnel staff are just like us fans in terms of pounding the table for a certain guy but others just not agreeing with what you see. 

 

I am much more excited to land Perriman than I was for Elam. I live in South Florida and saw a couple games that he played in college and I wasn't too crazy about him. That being said, his rookie year I think he played well, he just regressed badly his 2nd year and I can't figure out why. I thought he was a a great help in the run support or at lease that's what I thought he should have been.

 

Mosley? By far one of my favorite picks, I was pumped during the Colts game when I saw him run around 3 blockers to make a one arm tackle. That was epic lol

 

So far, aside from Elam Ozzie and the team have picked very productive players in the first round for us over the years.

[Ravensfan23]

I am much more excited to land Perriman than I was for Elam. I live in South Florida and saw a couple games that he played in college and I wasn't too crazy about him. That being said, his rookie year I think he played well, he just regressed badly his 2nd year and I can't figure out why. I thought he was a a great help in the run support or at lease that's what I thought he should have been.

 

Mosley? By far one of my favorite picks, I was pumped during the Colts game when I saw him run around 3 blockers to make a one arm tackle. That was epic lol

 

So far, aside from Elam Ozzie and the team have picked very productive players in the first round for us over the years.

 

I'd hold off on any long term opinions about Elam honestly. I only used his name as an example because most fans have already labeled him a bust. But i don't think Elam wasn't put in the best of situations. Not only was he dropped in to take the place of a future HOFer, he had no help in doing so. Most times when the Ravens draft a guy like that, they'll have a strong veteran presence around him so if he doesn't take off as fast as we'd like, it won't hurt as bad nor be as noticeable. Just look at both Jimmy and CJ. Both had veteran guys they could lean on in their first season or 2 when things may have gotten rough. 

 

In Elam's case he was brought in and basically told to run the secondary from the Safety position and he wasn't ready. The veteran Safeties that he has played around have only been slightly better then him honestly so it's not much of a comfort level there. I think way too much pressure was placed upon Elam both by the team and himself. Now with Will Hill and Kendrick Lewis as two guys that can hold down the Safety position, Elam will be allowed to play a role that doesn't ask him to cover much if at all and once he's in his element I think his natural talent will show up. But with that said he does have plenty areas to improve on. 

[BmoreBird22]

One thing I really hate, as far as comparisons go, is comparing college players to current NFL players. There's a huge gap in talent difference between the NFL and college ranks, so it's already flawed, and most players don't stay the same in the NFL. Most will improve, even if it's only by a little. 

 

I wish analysts would dig deeper and compare the players to NFL players as they were coming out of college. Then, instead of hearing about how Perriman compares to Torrey Smith or Stephen Hill, we'd hear about how he compares to Julio Jones or Andre Johnson. Personally, I think it means more to compare them to former college players that are now in the NFL because it shows the potential for a player to develop and get better because almost no college prospect (outside of Luck) is perfect.

[sflegend89]

One thing I really hate, as far as comparisons go, is comparing college players to current NFL players. There's a huge gap in talent difference between the NFL and college ranks, so it's already flawed, and most players don't stay the same in the NFL. Most will improve, even if it's only by a little. 

 

I wish analysts would dig deeper and compare the players to NFL players as they were coming out of college. Then, instead of hearing about how Perriman compares to Torrey Smith or Stephen Hill, we'd hear about how he compares to Julio Jones or Andre Johnson. Personally, I think it means more to compare them to former college players that are now in the NFL because it shows the potential for a player to develop and get better because almost no college prospect (outside of Luck) is perfect.

 

Agreed. That's why when I try to make an NFL comparison for a guy I only look at college tape. When I say Breshad reminds me of Demaryius Thomas I'm not talking about Thomas the Bronco, I'm talking about Thomas as a prospect coming out of GT. Breshad is 21 years old, to put that in perspective Kelvin Benjamin was 23 when he entered the draft last year. Perriman will already have 2 NFL training camps and a full season under his belt by the time he's 23. Maxx is even younger than Perriman, scary to think about how much more they can improve when they are already impressive players as it is.

[BmoreBird22]

Agreed. That's why when I try to make an NFL comparison for a guy I only look at college tape. When I say Breshad reminds me of Demaryius Thomas I'm not talking about Thomas the Bronco, I'm talking about Thomas as a prospect coming out of GT. Breshad is 21 years old, to put that in perspective Kelvin Benjamin was 23 when he entered the draft last year. Perriman will already have 2 NFL training camps and a full season under his belt by the time he's 23. Maxx is even younger than Perriman, scary to think about how much more they can improve when they are already impressive players as it is.

Pretty much. It is extremely doubtful these players will be the same when they're 25 as they were when they're 21 coming into the league, so why do we compare them to 30 year old receivers? They have a lot of growing to do before they're that age and it's doubtful that comparison holds at that age.

[808Blackbirds]

 Im happy Oz pulled the trigger finally on WR early in the draft but guess who drafted another wr similar to Perriman? The steelers in the 3rd round got sammie coates.

To me they are the same player. On tape Coates looks faster, more physical , made bigger catches in bigger games, and plays with more heart. Look at that stiff arm he did vs Texas A&M thats some Vernon Davis like stuff and he's a WR. 

i dont know I just see Coates and Perriman having the same potential going into the NFL. Perriman is going to get more playing time cause he a 1st rounder and all that and Coates is on a stacked WR group and a 3rd rounder. im hoping perriman is a stud and i believe he'll be great for us. Its just in the back of my mind that the steelers drafted another WR that can turn out to be pretty good in the 3rd round.

 

 

i wonder if Randy Gregory or Dgb was even on their board. hmm

 

go ravens!

[JoeyFlex5]

I agree Joey, and those are certainly intriguing comparisons.

I think one of the reason for the Torrey comparisons, is with regards to Perriman becoming a bust or not. 

Many, myself included, have argued that Perriman as a rookie is better than Torrey as a rookie (maybe even Torrey heading into his 5th season). With better coaching, QB play and a professional organization around him, it bodes well for Perriman's chances of succeeding at the next level. He should at least amount to what Torrey has done, and in that case he wouldn't be a total bust imo. 

i wont say hes as good as torrey, because we have yet to see him on an nfl level, he could buckle under pressure of living up to his fathers name and have too many nerves on the field and totally bust, ya never know. but i will say this with 100% certainty, every single thing he does on film as a college prospect he does better than torrey as a 4 year veteran

[Cville-Raven]

Just no on the Sammie coates comparison .

[JoeyFlex5]

 Im happy Oz pulled the trigger finally on WR early in the draft but guess who drafted another wr similar to Perriman? The steelers in the 3rd round got sammie coates.

To me they are the same player. On tape Coates looks faster, more physical , made bigger catches in bigger games, and plays with more heart. Look at that stiff arm he did vs Texas A&M thats some Vernon Davis like stuff and he's a WR. 

i dont know I just see Coates and Perriman having the same potential going into the NFL. Perriman is going to get more playing time cause he a 1st rounder and all that and Coates is on a stacked WR group and a 3rd rounder. im hoping perriman is a stud and i believe he'll be great for us. Its just in the back of my mind that the steelers drafted another WR that can turn out to be pretty good in the 3rd round.

 

 

i wonder if Randy Gregory or Dgb was even on their board. hmm

 

go ravens!

gregory has some veryyyy deep issues that dont seem like theyll be fixed anytime soon, doubt he was on our board, he was high at the draft, his career will be a total trainwreck, idk about dgb though it seems like they did their due dilligence on him. 

 

on the comparison of perriman and coates, its off. people keep comparing perriman to torrey and that is off as well, if you wanna compare torrey smith to a wr from this class, the obvious candidate is coates, sub 4.5 40 speed, no suddenness or shiftiness, no knowledge of the route tree and shows no physical aptitude to be able to run good routes due to pure straight line speed, absolutely refusing to catch with their hands and letting every ball thrown their way fall into their arms and/or body. perriman is head and shoulders above coates, higher floor, higher ceiling, perriman has astounding body control, and is tenacious attacking the ball, he really makes some absurd midair adjustments to catch poorly placed throws, he attacks the ball with his hands and grabs it, he drops it occasionally but the drops are overblown, the 2nd half of his season i dont think he dropped a single catchable ball, he shows a clear ability to stop and go and shift at high speeds, and a basic understanding of the full route tree and really all he needs is a little refinement and some teaching of the nuances of it all. 

 

all the talk you hear about perrimans "negative traits", is the kind of talk that should be applied to coates, all the talk about being too raw and a straight line burner with bad hands, thats coates, not perriman. perriman isnt perfect, but these "concerns" have been far overblown by misinformed people.

[-Truth-]

gregory has some veryyyy deep issues that dont seem like theyll be fixed anytime soon, doubt he was on our board, he was high at the draft, his career will be a total trainwreck, idk about dgb though it seems like they did their due dilligence on him. 

 

on the comparison of perriman and coates, its off. people keep comparing perriman to torrey and that is off as well, if you wanna compare torrey smith to a wr from this class, the obvious candidate is coates, sub 4.5 40 speed, no suddenness or shiftiness, no knowledge of the route tree and shows no physical aptitude to be able to run good routes due to pure straight line speed, absolutely refusing to catch with their hands and letting every ball thrown their way fall into their arms and/or body. perriman is head and shoulders above coates, higher floor, higher ceiling, perriman has astounding body control, and is tenacious attacking the ball, he really makes some absurd midair adjustments to catch poorly placed throws, he attacks the ball with his hands and grabs it, he drops it occasionally but the drops are overblown, the 2nd half of his season i dont think he dropped a single catchable ball, he shows a clear ability to stop and go and shift at high speeds, and a basic understanding of the full route tree and really all he needs is a little refinement and some teaching of the nuances of it all. 

 

all the talk you hear about perrimans "negative traits", is the kind of talk that should be applied to coates, all the talk about being too raw and a straight line burner with bad hands, thats coates, not perriman. perriman isnt perfect, but these "concerns" have been far overblown by misinformed people.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth regarding Coates and Perriman.

[52520Andrew]

One thing I really hate, as far as comparisons go, is comparing college players to current NFL players. There's a huge gap in talent difference between the NFL and college ranks, so it's already flawed, and most players don't stay the same in the NFL. Most will improve, even if it's only by a little.

I wish analysts would dig deeper and compare the players to NFL players as they were coming out of college. Then, instead of hearing about how Perriman compares to Torrey Smith or Stephen Hill, we'd hear about how he compares to Julio Jones or Andre Johnson. Personally, I think it means more to compare them to former college players that are now in the NFL because it shows the potential for a player to develop and get better because almost no college prospect (outside of Luck) is perfect.

I think it would be premature as those players didn't come into the league with problems and just wake up and have them all corrected. They worked on them. I think it is fair to say that a player has the potential to become someone but to say that is who they will become is a bit premature and leads to players being overhyped and being pressured by too much expectations.

[808Blackbirds]

gregory has some veryyyy deep issues that dont seem like theyll be fixed anytime soon, doubt he was on our board, he was high at the draft, his career will be a total trainwreck, idk about dgb though it seems like they did their due dilligence on him. 

 

on the comparison of perriman and coates, its off. people keep comparing perriman to torrey and that is off as well, if you wanna compare torrey smith to a wr from this class, the obvious candidate is coates, sub 4.5 40 speed, no suddenness or shiftiness, no knowledge of the route tree and shows no physical aptitude to be able to run good routes due to pure straight line speed, absolutely refusing to catch with their hands and letting every ball thrown their way fall into their arms and/or body. perriman is head and shoulders above coates, higher floor, higher ceiling, perriman has astounding body control, and is tenacious attacking the ball, he really makes some absurd midair adjustments to catch poorly placed throws, he attacks the ball with his hands and grabs it, he drops it occasionally but the drops are overblown, the 2nd half of his season i dont think he dropped a single catchable ball, he shows a clear ability to stop and go and shift at high speeds, and a basic understanding of the full route tree and really all he needs is a little refinement and some teaching of the nuances of it all. 

 

all the talk you hear about perrimans "negative traits", is the kind of talk that should be applied to coates, all the talk about being too raw and a straight line burner with bad hands, thats coates, not perriman. perriman isnt perfect, but these "concerns" have been far overblown by misinformed people.

 

And that why coates is a 3rd rounder.