Flacco said...they don't need to draft a WR early.

[Cillmatic]

Well as of right now:

WR1: Steve Smith

WR2: Marlon Brown

WR3: Kamar Aiken

WR4: Micheal Campanero

Joe, are you sure that 35 year old Steve Smith, a second year 7th round pick, and two undrafted free agent WRs as your receiver corps doesn't bother you? Not at all? Are we running the triple option this year?

He's just saying what the team wants.

Of course Joe doesn't trust the current core. He can't say "no, our guys suck".

[Drew P]

Don' brush off a logical discussion with a cop out like that. You said DS is a one trick pony and that's just not true at all. You said he can't fight for the ball and I provided you with multiple examples of him doing so. Don't know if you realize this but WR's don't typically have games where the "fight for the ball" multiple times. It was far more convenient to post a HL tape with multiple examples then to post a bunch of different game films and clog up the thread to just showcase one play from each video.

 

Use logic and facts to construct replies about a player, speaking in brief definite statements like that does absolutely nothing for your argument.

 

Uh no dude watching games is a far better way to evaluate a talent than someone's video compilation of a players greatest moments. Its one sided. misleading and serves little purpose other than for people like you to say " Hey, he's the man!"

[sflegend89]

Uh no dude watching games is a far better way to evaluate a talent than someone's video compilation of a players greatest moments. Its one sided. misleading and serves little purpose other than for people like you to say " Hey, he's the man!"

 

Where did I say that HL tape are better than game film? I said that I wanted to show clips of DS fighting for the ball and it's more convenient for me to post a HL tape that contains 3 different examples then to post 3 separate videos and clog up the the thread to show the exact same 3 plays. I proved you wrong with video evidence, it doesn't matter what form the video is in... whether I posted a HL or a bunch of game films the plays he fought for the ball are still exactly the same.

 

You are literally having a fake argument about what's better HL tapes or game film. I was talking about DS as a player and citing video evidence, obviously game tape is more conclusive, that isn't even a discussion. What don't you understand about viewing convenience? 

[Drew P]

Where did I say that HL tape are better than game film? I said that I wanted to show clips of DS fighting for the ball and it's more convenient for me to post a HL tape that contains 3 different examples then to post 3 separate videos and clog up the the thread to show the exact same 3 plays. I proved you wrong with video evidence, it doesn't matter what form the video is in... whether I posted a HL or a bunch of game films the plays he fought for the ball are still exactly the same.

 

You are literally having a fake argument about what's better HL tapes or game film. I was talking about DS as a player and citing video evidence, obviously game tape is more conclusive, that isn't even a discussion. What don't you understand about viewing convenience? 

 

The guy is Travis Taylor with some Torrey. He would be another #3 on a roster chock full of 'em. They need a #1. Look at the stats his 2014 campaign was games of 1 to 3 catches...one trick pony..outs/9's nothing else.

[Inqui]

The guy is Travis Taylor with some Torrey. He would be another #3 on a roster chock full of 'em. They need a #1. Look at the stats his 2014 campaign was games of 1 to 3 catches...one trick pony..outs/9's nothing else.

I know this belongs in the Draft Forum, but that says more about how OSU used their WRs than anything else. Personally I think his route running is incredibly underrated.

[Tru11]

The guy is Travis Taylor with some Torrey. He would be another #3 on a roster chock full of 'em. They need a #1. Look at the stats his 2014 campaign was games of 1 to 3 catches...one trick pony..outs/9's nothing else.

 

you do realize that players don't decide what plays and routes they gonna run right?

 

I see a lot of people using this 1 trick pony excuse but its really a testament to that players skillset and the coaches deciding to use a player to his strengths and not weakness.

 

seriously why would a coach not use a player in what he is good at?

[Drew P]

I know this belongs in the Draft Forum, but that says more about how OSU used their WRs than anything else. Personally I think his route running is incredibly underrated.

 

Well no, the thread is about selecting a WR early in the draft and this guys 2 catch per game average isnt worthy...

[GrimCoconut]

Well no, the thread is about selecting a WR early in the draft and this guys 2 catch per game average isnt worthy...

Not being sarcastic but are you judging him based off his stats or games you watched? Please be honest.

[Drew P]

Not being sarcastic but are you judging him based off his stats or games you watched? Please be honest.

 

Both. He isnt what the Ravens need early they got Torrey in the 2nd which is what they will probably do again grabbing a pure speed guy. I just see DHB..pray he catches it and if so he gone..

[GrimCoconut]

That is not true at all, DS can run the full route tree, light years ahead of Torrey running routes coming out. DS's body control and ability to track the ball are also far better then Torrey's when we drafted him. Torrey had straight line speed but he was not much of a threat with the ball in his hands, his YAC was weak for a player with his speed. DS is far more elusive after the catch similar to a guy like Desean Jackson.

The one area where I disagree with you is in terms of Smith's YAC, which honestly isn't that good. That's an area where he needs to improve, but I pretty much concur with the rest of what you said.

[GrimCoconut]

Both. He isnt what the Ravens need early they got Torrey in the 2nd which is what they will probably do again grabbing a pure speed guy. I just see DHB..pray he catches it and if so he gone..

May I ask which games you watched and if you were focused solely on him? I actually am a big fan of Devin Smith, and I disagree with your comparison to Torrey although I think in some ways it's very fair and in other ways I think you're poorly evaluating his talents.

Smith had to go through multiple QB, and yet he still was a very good feel threat. Furthermore, he tracks the ball better than Torrey ever did, as a pro or in college. He also has better hand eye coordination than Torrey, and has a better catching radius as well as concentration. These are the qualities that truly separate Devin from Torrey. Outside of those qualities, Devin also displayed good understanding of short and intermediate routes at the Senior Bowl. He has the quick change of direction that also shows he should be an effective player at developing his routes. He and Torrey are both similar in their YAC as well as acceleration as well as their character and leadership. They're both high quality guys. Devin comes from a championship college team, so he brings another skillet Torrey didn't have coming out. Another aspect that's overlooked is Devin is an effective ST player and likes ST.

[Drew P]

May I ask which games you watched and if you were focused solely on him? I actually am a big fan of Devin Smith, and I disagree with your comparison to Torrey although I think in some ways it's very fair and in other ways I think you're poorly evaluating his talents.

Smith had to go through multiple QB, and yet he still was a very good feel threat. Furthermore, he tracks the ball better than Torrey ever did, as a pro or in college. He also has better hand eye coordination than Torrey, and has a better catching radius as well as concentration. These are the qualities that truly separate Devin from Torrey. Outside of those qualities, Devin also displayed good understanding of short and intermediate routes at the Senior Bowl. He has the quick change of direction that also shows he should be an effective player at developing his routes. He and Torrey are both similar in their YAC as well as acceleration as well as their character and leadership. They're both high quality guys. Devin comes from a championship college team, so he brings another skillet Torrey didn't have coming out. Another aspect that's overlooked is Devin is an effective ST player and likes ST.

 

Great, great one of those fathead posters of him hopefully he will be in a Browns or Raiders uni

[GrimCoconut]

Great, great one of those fathead posters of him hopefully he will be in a Browns or Raiders uni

Huh? I don't understand what you're saying here. Not being sarcastic here, but are you just disregarding my opinion simply based on the fact that I like Devin Smith and throwing an insult my way, or am I misunderstanding your post? 

[757RavensFan]

Great, great one of those fathead posters of him hopefully he will be in a Browns or Raiders uni

 

 

Huh? I don't understand what you're saying here. Not being sarcastic here, but are you just disregarding my opinion simply based on the fact that I like Devin Smith and throwing an insult my way, or am I misunderstanding your post? 

 

LOL  He's not calling you a fathead.  He's saying that Devin Smith will be on one of these:  http://www.fathead.com/sports/ hopefully wearing a Browns or Raiders uniform.

[GrimCoconut]

LOL He's not calling you a fathead. He's saying that Devin Smith will be on one of these: http://www.fathead.com/sports/ hopefully wearing a Browns or Raiders uniform.

I considered that but I'm not sure which is why I clarified. That comment just seemed to come out of nowhere and didn't relate to my post at all.

[757RavensFan]

I considered that but I'm not sure which is why I clarified. That comment just seemed to come out of nowhere and didn't relate to my post at all.

 

The draft can't get here fast enough.   

[Drew P]

LOL  He's not calling you a fathead.  He's saying that Devin Smith will be on one of these:  http://www.fathead.com/sports/ hopefully wearing a Browns or Raiders uniform.

 

Lol correct, just joking though, these arguments over who can do what is pointless im not turning the damn card into Goodell

[GrimCoconut]

Lol correct, just joking though, these arguments over who can do what is pointless im not turning the damn card into Goodell

It's pointless but it's fun to discuss. My favorite part of the draft is just discussing it with others, even if our opinions differ. In fact, I prefer to discuss differing opinions than similar ones. I've had my opinion changed as a result of logical discussions. That's why I was asking you what games you watched and stuff.

[Drew P]

It's pointless but it's fun to discuss. My favorite part of the draft is just discussing it with others, even if our opinions differ. In fact, I prefer to discuss differing opinions than similar ones. I've had my opinion changed as a result of logical discussions. That's why I was asking you what games you watched and stuff.

 

I agree but when you hit the point of diminishing returns..

[Moisty]

AJ Green.....Julio Jones....Dez Bryant....I never understood these past few years why not getting a player capable of producing double digit touchdowns in year 1 hasn't been a priority for us. We cling to the strategy of building the trenches almost to where it's detrimental. We just dont have a great history of bringing in skill positions and it baffles me.

[HoldingCall]

I agree with Joe and do not believe his comment was a smoke screen. The team doesn't need to pick a wr in order to help the offense/team, other positions can produce the same game impact. Creating turnovers by interception, fumbles, stopping the run and denying first downs helps the offense just as much by giving them the ball.

 

I am not down playing the impact an outstanding receiver can have but an outstanding CB, DT, OLB etc. helps the offense and the entire team as much as a wr, the means will just be different.

[Tru11]

AJ Green.....Julio Jones....Dez Bryant....I never understood these past few years why not getting a player capable of producing double digit touchdowns in year 1 hasn't been a priority for us. We cling to the strategy of building the trenches almost to where it's detrimental. We just dont have a great history of bringing in skill positions and it baffles me.

 

 

well we have been more successful then those teams who mortage their future for studs wrs.

 

it baffles me people want to trade in success for stats and flashy plays.

 

I rather win and have a chance at a SB rather then see big plays and have a QB put on nice stats only to be losing or merely playing a role in the post season.

[757RavensFan]

AJ Green.....Julio Jones....Dez Bryant....I never understood these past few years why not getting a player capable of producing double digit touchdowns in year 1 hasn't been a priority for us. We cling to the strategy of building the trenches almost to where it's detrimental. We just dont have a great history of bringing in skill positions and it baffles me.

I honestly feel Oz was going to draft Dez, if it wasn't for the Cowboys trading up 1 position ahead of us to get him.

[HoldingCall]

AJ Green.....Julio Jones....Dez Bryant....I never understood these past few years why not getting a player capable of producing double digit touchdowns in year 1 hasn't been a priority for us. We cling to the strategy of building the trenches almost to where it's detrimental. We just dont have a great history of bringing in skill positions and it baffles me.

While I understand your enthusiasm for a receiver I disagree with the final sentence in your post. With the draft being today I assume your post refers to drafted players. Every year this team loses talent as free agents due to their development and quality play and the team has received more comp picks than most all team because of it.

[redrum52]

AJ Green.....Julio Jones....Dez Bryant....I never understood these past few years why not getting a player capable of producing double digit touchdowns in year 1 hasn't been a priority for us. We cling to the strategy of building the trenches almost to where it's detrimental. We just dont have a great history of bringing in skill positions and it baffles me.

Playoffs every year since he got there with no win to show for it. Team sucks now after the other traded the house farm and car for another and Dez just made playoffs fir the first time. They have an army but we have a Hulk.... sorry.... they have number 1s but we have a ring. That's what I meant.

[757RavensFan]

Guess the FO doesn't listen to Flacco.

[52520Andrew]

Flacco in that quote did say that it would be nice to get a deep threat

[Proxzyn]

Keyword in that quote, is need.

 

Just like I don't need to go to sleep right now. But since it's almost 6 a.m. for me, it's the best option available.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

I'd have to go with it's a smokescreen as well. Anybody can look at our WR pool and see that there will be at least one big addition coming from early in the draft.

Well, there you have it. lol

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I would love for this to happen, but he's entirely too talented to fall that far.  I honestly see him drafted before our 26th pick. 

 

Well, 1 round done and he's still there.

 

Unfortunately I don't think we double dip with 2 WR's in the top 3 picks and I doubt he gets beyond our 2nd pick. 

I would love Funchess or Maxx Williams with the 2nd pick even if we have to trade up.