Thoughts on Trestman

[Ravensfan23]

I'm definitely expecting 30+ touchdowns. Kubiak was way too conservative in the red zone, but Trestman is going to see he has some really big receivers and want to throw some jump balls

Yea there is no excuse for the Ravens not to be one of the better scoring teams in the redzone. Even if people know the fade is coming Trestman will still throw it and we know Joe isn't afraid to give his guys a shot.

I actually think Trestman and Flacco are a perfect fit. I think the only thing left for Joe to do is tie the mental aspect of the game to his talent. Now don't get me wrong Joe is a sharp guy, but i honestly think some times he gets bored with the QB position. Or moreso lazy in his fundamentals. It seems like times when we takes the just be good enough apporoach, which is usually good enough to win but sometimes leads to 4 int games. I know many will say that isn't the mental side of the game that's more physical, but i think it starts with the mental. I think Trestman will have Joe seeing the field much clearer and thus allowing Joe to attempt certain passes that other QBs marvel at. Joe is already a good decision maker saver a clucker or two each year, but i think Marc will help Flacco improve even more.

[BmoreBird22]

Yea there is no excuse for the Ravens not to be one of the better scoring teams in the redzone. Even if people know the fade is coming Trestman will still throw it and we know Joe isn't afraid to give his guys a shot.

I actually think Trestman and Flacco are a perfect fit. I think the only thing left for Joe to do is tie the mental aspect of the game to his talent. Now don't get me wrong Joe is a sharp guy, but i honestly think some times he gets bored with the QB position. Or moreso lazy in his fundamentals. It seems like times when we takes the just be good enough apporoach, which is usually good enough to win but sometimes leads to 4 int games. I know many will say that isn't the mental side of the game that's more physical, but i think it starts with the mental. I think Trestman will have Joe seeing the field much clearer and thus allowing Joe to attempt certain passes that other QBs marvel at. Joe is already a good decision maker saver a clucker or two each year, but i think Marc will help Flacco improve even more.

I'm actually thinking that having Bobby Engram and Trestman will help in coordination with each other. Yeah, there were times when Joe just makes a head scratching throw because he trusts his arm too much or isn't too patient in his read, but I'm tired of seeing a lack of fight and this scared mentality from the receivers that lead to interceptions. I get that no one likes to get hit, but when you're getting paid to play the game you love, putting your body on the line is a price you pay and if you're just gonna get drilled in the stomach or chest, that's a lot better than the head.

I know this is only two instances and they're both from the same player, but I still cannot get over Torrey pulling up two times in very crucial moments against the Colts and Patriots because there was a defender and he was going to take a shot in the chest. Just way too soft and it cost the Ravens

[ellicottraven]

Trestman has a lot to prove. He is now the OC of the HC factory - Baltimore Ravens! He was literally driven out of Chicago as HC last year. He believes he is one of the best offensive minds in the NFL and is taking over a position that had Kubiak another great mind. I truly believe Trestman will prove to the world this year, that he is a great OC and help people understand why Flacco is perhaps one of the best QBs in the league.

[TonyTone1192]

As long as Trestman doesn't fall in love with the pass and abandon the run, I think that he'll be a great OC. As long as the offense has great balance I can see him up for another HC position within the next several seasons due to much success.

[Ravensfan23]

I'm actually thinking that having Bobby Engram and Trestman will help in coordination with each other. Yeah, there were times when Joe just makes a head scratching throw because he trusts his arm too much or isn't too patient in his read, but I'm tired of seeing a lack of fight and this scared mentality from the receivers that lead to interceptions. I get that no one likes to get hit, but when you're getting paid to play the game you love, putting your body on the line is a price you pay and if you're just gonna get drilled in the stomach or chest, that's a lot better than the head.

I know this is only two instances and they're both from the same player, but I still cannot get over Torrey pulling up two times in very crucial moments against the Colts and Patriots because there was a defender and he was going to take a shot in the chest. Just way too soft and it cost the Ravens

I've been calling for the offense to be more aggressive for years. I think January Joe will start being consistent Joe. I listen to Joe talk all the time and what he says never changes. I want to be the reason we win or lose. Put the game in my hands and allow me to give a strong reason why we either won or lost when the media asks. However the coaches or should i say the organization has been reluctant to fully do that. I think Marc is the guy who puts the offense in Joe's hands and finally move this offense into modern NFL football. Kubes started it. People talk about the rough and tough AFCN, but if you look at the Steelers and Bengals they have high powered offenses, their FOs just haven't been able to draft well enough to keep their defenses up as well. If you look at the Ravens, they are greatly positioned to do exactly what the other teams in the North have tried to do.

A dominant oline and front 7, young explosive talent at the skill positions on offense. A shutdowns CB with solid play around him, two play making safeties in Hill and Lewis. Then you have possibly the best kicking duo in the NFL. This team is freaking loaded with potential and i know potential doesn't win games but if it all comes together, watch out. It's time the Ravens start consistently attacking teams from the opening whistle like we do in the playoffs. I don't wanna hear the AFCN referred to as that ground and pound division because it's not any more. It's still a rough and tough division, but the offenses are now good enough to go point for point with any of team. The Ravens are in position to lead the pack, we need to take full advantage.

[January J]

I've been calling for the offense to be more aggressive for years. I think January Joe will start being consistent Joe. I listen to Joe talk all the time and what he says never changes. I want to be the reason we win or lose. Put the game in my hands and allow me to give a strong reason why we either won or lost when the media asks. However the coaches or should i say the organization has been reluctant to fully do that. I think Marc is the guy who puts the offense in Joe's hands and finally move this offense into modern NFL football. Kubes started it. People talk about the rough and tough AFCN, but if you look at the Steelers and Bengals they have high powered offenses, their FOs just haven't been able to draft well enough to keep their defenses up as well. If you look at the Ravens, they are greatly positioned to do exactly what the other teams in the North have tried to do.

A dominant oline and front 7, young explosive talent at the skill positions on offense. A shutdowns CB with solid play around him, two play making safeties in Hill and Lewis. Then you have possibly the best kicking duo in the NFL. This team is freaking loaded with potential and i know potential doesn't win games but if it all comes together, watch out. It's time the Ravens start consistently attacking teams from the opening whistle like we do in the playoffs. I don't wanna hear the AFCN referred to as that ground and pound division because it's not any more. It's still a rough and tough division, but the offenses are now good enough to go point for point with any of team. The Ravens are in position to lead the pack, we need to take full advantage.

yessir !! I also think that trestman is exactly the type of o.c that joe needs. Kubiak planted to seed but trest is going to make that thing sprout! I couldn't stand it when we would get in the redzone and drives would stall. I just wanted to see joe sling the ball into the endzone. But part of the problem like you said was receivers not being aggressive enough as well. Well what did we do? We went out and got joe some of his favorite big bodies that are going to snatch the ball out the air and pummel defenders. If we stay healthy and everybody starts clicking early and getting on the same page, watch out. This year we might see things we have never seen. That's all I'ma say. Edited June 13, 2015 by January J

[WestminsterJim]

Hi all - to anyone who saw any of the OTAs. Last year, under Kubiak, Flacco was under center most of the time. I looked at Bears highlights from last year and their QBs were in shotgun a lot. Any idea what we're going to do in 2015? I actually like Joe in the shotgun. Thanks. 

Edited July 4, 2015 by WestminsterJim

[beasy2487]

Hi all - to anyone who saw any of the OTAs. Last year, under Kubiak, Flacco was under center most of the time. I looked at Bears highlights from last year and their QBs were in shotgun a lot. Any idea what we're going to do in 2015? I actually like Joe in the shotgun. Thanks.

I think you're going to see more of Joe in the shotgun, coupled with quick passes to Juice and the RBs to replace some of our more traditional early down running plays. I also think you're going to see more screens. Should be interesting.

[January J]

I think you're going to see more of Joe in the shotgun, coupled with quick passes to Juice and the RBs to replace some of our more traditional early down running plays. I also think you're going to see more screens. Should be interesting.

yeah im actually really excited about that- a lot of ppl don't really like the screens and check downs but I don't think we did enough of them last year. I think that Forsett will really be able to bust some of them open - and this also plays into buck Allen's strength as well. Plus I'm all for anything that adds to joes passing yards.

[beasy2487]

yeah im actually really excited about that- a lot of ppl don't really like the screens and check downs but I don't think we did enough of them last year. I think that Forsett will really be able to bust some of them open - and this also plays into buck Allen's strength as well. Plus I'm all for anything that adds to joes passing yards.

Yea I also think Perriman is going to be sneaky good on screens. He explodes off the line and with his size/speed it should be nothing to make the first defender miss. Then with the athleticism we have at G/T and the size we have at WR/TE, getting blockers out in front and into the second and third levels should something we are very good at. If it plays out that way we'll be giving teams nightmares with the quick passing game.

[January J]

Yea I also think Perriman is going to be sneaky good on screens. He explodes off the line and with his size/speed it should be nothing to make the first defender miss. Then with the athleticism we have at G/T and the size we have at WR/TE, getting blockers out in front and into the second and third levels should something we are very good at. If it plays out that way we'll be giving teams nightmares with the quick passing game.

exactly... All perriman would have to do is get behind one of our big blocking tight ends , make one cut and be able to take it to the house with his speed.

[Ravensfan23]

Yea I also think Perriman is going to be sneaky good on screens. He explodes off the line and with his size/speed it should be nothing to make the first defender miss. Then with the athleticism we have at G/T and the size we have at WR/TE, getting blockers out in front and into the second and third levels should something we are very good at. If it plays out that way we'll be giving teams nightmares with the quick passing game.

That is what i think replaces some of the run game for us. Screens and swing passes to the backs to help the offense stay ahead of the chains. So while it won't go in the books as a run, that 3-5 yard pass will serve the same purpose i think.

[Cillmatic]

As long as Green Bay isn't in the super bowl I'm fine. Packers and bears are in the same division, last year couldn't beat a single team from our former OC's (Kubiak) former division besides the Jaguars(barely). If(God allows) we make it to the super bowl this year I wanna face a team we never play like the Cowboys or Eagles.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Trestman has a lot to prove. He is now the OC of the HC factory - Baltimore Ravens! He was literally driven out of Chicago as HC last year. He believes he is one of the best offensive minds in the NFL and is taking over a position that had Kubiak another great mind. I truly believe Trestman will prove to the world this year, that he is a great OC and help people understand why Flacco is perhaps one of the best QBs in the league.

I second that opinion. The personnel is perfectly suited to his system.

I believe in Trestman as a play caller and teacher I just don't think he's suited to managing a team. Like Kubiak, he's a far better OC then head coach and he'll take this offense to a whole new level this year.

I expect us to be among the league leaders in points scored. We will have one of the most balanced offenses and quite possibly the most complete all-around team in the league.

and with this defense we can afford to be aggressive and take some real chances on offense. Gonna be tough to slow this team down because we can literally beat you every possible way.

I can't wait for football to start and see this baby unleashed on the league.

[gtalk12]

I've said it a ton of times on this forum. The Bears lack of success always came down to the QB play. When Josh was the QB they put up MONSTER numbers.

 

I see that as a great sign considering we have the better QB. I always liked what they did on offense

[Clmraven]

I'm excited for trestman, a lot of people seem to forget that even though cutler had 30 ints the past 2 seasons he still posted career highs in QB rating TDs and Completion Pct, Flacco is a far better QB and I don't think it's crazy to think he could throw 4400+ yards with at least 30 TDs in this offense, call me an optimist but I'm buying in fully to trestmans offense.

[DomMcRaven]

I've said it a ton of times on this forum. The Bears lack of success always came down to the QB play. When Josh was the QB they put up MONSTER numbers.

 

I see that as a great sign considering we have the better QB. I always liked what they did on offense

As much as I hate this stat, didn't McCown had a top 5 QBR when he was the QB? 

[beasy2487]

I wonder what conditioner he uses.

[baltimorefan328]

yessir !! I also think that trestman is exactly the type of o.c that joe needs. Kubiak planted to seed but trest is going to make that thing sprout! I couldn't stand it when we would get in the redzone and drives would stall. I just wanted to see joe sling the ball into the endzone. But part of the problem like you said was receivers not being aggressive enough as well. Well what did we do? We went out and got joe some of his favorite big bodies that are going to snatch the ball out the air and pummel defenders. If we stay healthy and everybody starts clicking early and getting on the same page, watch out. This year we might see things we have never seen. That's all I'ma say.

Very true, I don't think people realize how gigantic the receiving corps is now. If waller makes the team they'll have: 

 

Brown - 6'5

Waller - 6'6

Pitta (if he plays) - 6'4

Gillmore - 6'6

Williams - 6'4

Boyle 6'4

Perriman - 6'2

Aiken - 6'2

 

Thats a lot of big bodies and some guys in there have outstanding hands...I don't know how Trestman doesn't find red zone success with that many big targets

[DomMcRaven]

Very true, I don't think people realize how gigantic the receiving corps is now. If waller makes the team they'll have: 

 

Brown - 6'5

Waller - 6'6

Pitta (if he plays) - 6'4

Gillmore - 6'6

Williams - 6'4

Boyle 6'4

Perriman - 6'2

Aiken - 6'2

 

Thats a lot of big bodies and some guys in there have outstanding hands...I don't know how Trestman doesn't find red zone success with that many big targets

I try to stay cautiously optimistic, but the potential of this receiving corps is just....amazing as a whole. Providing that Trestman can mix things up and be creative, we should be efficient in the red zone. 

[Sami84]

Very true, I don't think people realize how gigantic the receiving corps is now. If waller makes the team they'll have: 

 

Brown - 6'5

Waller - 6'6

Pitta (if he plays) - 6'4

Gillmore - 6'6

Williams - 6'4

Boyle 6'4

Perriman - 6'2

Aiken - 6'2

 

Thats a lot of big bodies and some guys in there have outstanding hands...I don't know how Trestman doesn't find red zone success with that many big targets

Butler is 6'3 too..

[gtalk12]

As much as I hate this stat, didn't McCown had a top 5 QBR when he was the QB? 

 

I want to say yes, he played out of his mind

[Ravensfan23]

Trestman's offense allows for a smart QB to really take chances. Flacco is a really smart QB and despite being a risk taker, he's usually very smart with the ball. I think what Trestman will do for Flacco much like Kubes did is create space for easier throws so that he doesn't have to make as many tight window throws and his int totals will drop even more.

What Flacco will do for Trestman much like he did for Kubes is give him a QB that really takes his offense to the next level. Trestman had the perfect mix of QBs in Chi with Mccown being smart and Cutler having the huge arm to get down field and take those tight chances when needed. However only one of those guys could play at a time obviously. Flacco combines both traits and he's just a winner which really can't be said for either of those guys. This offense is perfect for Flacco and Marc seems to be the perfect teacher.

I think in 2015 there will be 2 guys who really step up and have big seasons in Trestman's offense. Marlon Brown and Crocket Gilmore. These are two guys who all the coaches seem really excited about but they seem to be not talked about as much by fans. Of course everyone expects Maxx to be good being a 2nd round pick but Gilmore's big body could create such a huge matchup probalem for LBs and Safeties. He's never really gotten credit for his pass catching but he's really good at it and especially in the red zone. I don't expect him to become one of the top TEs in the NFL but i think he'll definitely develop in a complete TE under Trestman.

Marlon Brown is a guy i can see Trestman using a lot like he used Marshall in Chi. He will be allowed to work inside and out to take advance of poor matchups. His hard work in the run game will actually be a major benefit on play action plays. Not sure why Kubes didn't use play action as much last season nor did he utilize Brown in the redzone but i think both of those areas will be a huge par of the offense and Brown will benefit from the extra targets. I see Brown really taking those snaps away from Smitty to keep him fresh for the playoff run. Then next season it'll be Perriman and Brown at the top of the WR group.

Trestman's offense is a great fit all around imo.

[beasy2487]

Trestman's offense allows for a smart QB to really take chances. Flacco is a really smart QB and despite being a risk taker, he's usually very smart with the ball. I think what Trestman will do for Flacco much like Kubes did is create space for easier throws so that he doesn't have to make as many tight window throws and his int totals will drop even more.

What Flacco will do for Trestman much like he did for Kubes is give him a QB that really takes his offense to the next level. Trestman had the perfect mix of QBs in Chi with Mccown being smart and Cutler having the huge arm to get down field and take those tight chances when needed. However only one of those guys could play at a time obviously. Flacco combines both traits and he's just a winner which really can't be said for either of those guys. This offense is perfect for Flacco and Marc seems to be the perfect teacher.

I think in 2015 there will be 2 guys who really step up and have big seasons in Trestman's offense. Marlon Brown and Crocket Gilmore. These are two guys who all the coaches seem really excited about but they seem to be not talked about as much by fans. Of course everyone expects Maxx to be good being a 2nd round pick but Gilmore's big body could create such a huge matchup probalem for LBs and Safeties. He's never really gotten credit for his pass catching but he's really good at it and especially in the red zone. I don't expect him to become one of the top TEs in the NFL but i think he'll definitely develop in a complete TE under Trestman.

Marlon Brown is a guy i can see Trestman using a lot like he used Marshall in Chi. He will be allowed to work inside and out to take advance of poor matchups. His hard work in the run game will actually be a major benefit on play action plays. Not sure why Kubes didn't use play action as much last season nor did he utilize Brown in the redzone but i think both of those areas will be a huge par of the offense and Brown will benefit from the extra targets. I see Brown really taking those snaps away from Smitty to keep him fresh for the playoff run. Then next season it'll be Perriman and Brown at the top of the WR group.

Trestman's offense is a great fit all around imo.

 

Crockett I can see...but you foresee Brandon Marshall-like play out of Marlon Brown? I really, in my heart of hearts, think you're in for a huge letdown from MB but time will tell.

Edited July 14, 2015 by beasy2487

[January J]

Trestman's offense allows for a smart QB to really take chances. Flacco is a really smart QB and despite being a risk taker, he's usually very smart with the ball. I think what Trestman will do for Flacco much like Kubes did is create space for easier throws so that he doesn't have to make as many tight window throws and his int totals will drop even more.

What Flacco will do for Trestman much like he did for Kubes is give him a QB that really takes his offense to the next level. Trestman had the perfect mix of QBs in Chi with Mccown being smart and Cutler having the huge arm to get down field and take those tight chances when needed. However only one of those guys could play at a time obviously. Flacco combines both traits and he's just a winner which really can't be said for either of those guys. This offense is perfect for Flacco and Marc seems to be the perfect teacher.

I think in 2015 there will be 2 guys who really step up and have big seasons in Trestman's offense. Marlon Brown and Crocket Gilmore. These are two guys who all the coaches seem really excited about but they seem to be not talked about as much by fans. Of course everyone expects Maxx to be good being a 2nd round pick but Gilmore's big body could create such a huge matchup probalem for LBs and Safeties. He's never really gotten credit for his pass catching but he's really good at it and especially in the red zone. I don't expect him to become one of the top TEs in the NFL but i think he'll definitely develop in a complete TE under Trestman.

Marlon Brown is a guy i can see Trestman using a lot like he used Marshall in Chi. He will be allowed to work inside and out to take advance of poor matchups. His hard work in the run game will actually be a major benefit on play action plays. Not sure why Kubes didn't use play action as much last season nor did he utilize Brown in the redzone but i think both of those areas will be a huge par of the offense and Brown will benefit from the extra targets. I see Brown really taking those snaps away from Smitty to keep him fresh for the playoff run. Then next season it'll be Perriman and Brown at the top of the WR group.

Trestman's offense is a great fit all around imo.

man I wish I could just skip to September . This offseason has been Dreadfully slow. Posts like this just get me so impatient. I have the same feeling about those 2 guys. Then you have SSS and Aiken as well. I honestly think that all of the receivers and RBs will play an equal role in the passing game and the ball will just be spread around so much that defenses are going to get lost and left off balance. We may not even see a 1000 yard receiver- but we may have 4 or 5 guys with around 700 -800 yards each, marlon and Gilmore will each catch Between 8-10 Tds. Now go ahead and tell me I'm being too optimistic and unreasonable, criticism is welcomed and will make joes immaculate season that much sweeter! Edited July 14, 2015 by January J

[Sami84]

the nfl needs to change..

 

offseasons are too long and the seasons are too short.

 

i suggest add an extra 8 games to a season which would mean the Super Bowl would be in early march

 

Let the actual NFL season start at early august.

 

a solid 24 game season plus playoffs.

 

Am i so wrong in thinking that a 9 month offseason ( for most teams anyway) is just too long?

[January J]

the nfl needs to change..

offseasons are too long and the seasons are too short.

i suggest add an extra 8 games to a season which would mean the Super Bowl would be in early march

Let the actual NFL season start at early august.

a solid 24 game season plus playoffs.

Am i so wrong in thinking that a 9 month offseason ( for most teams anyway) is just too long?

although many ppl don't like change, esp involving the playoff format etc., I don't think anyone would dispute or be against more football. Although the wait makes the season that much more enjoyable and makes you savor every game. I also was not a fan of pushing the draft back.

[Adreme]

I dont think players bodies could handle playing 8 more games and playoff games not to mention it devalues the regular season as a whole.  The NFL currently has the perfect amount of games with the perfect setup time for games and I would not be interested in changing that.

[Ravensfan23]

Crockett I can see...but you foresee Brandon Marshall-like play out of Marlon Brown? I really, in my heart of hearts, think you're in for a huge letdown from MB but time will tell.

I never said Brown would play like Marshall. That's crazy imo i said he would be used like Trestman used Marshall. BM was used as much more of a possession type WR from all 3 positions while Jeffrey was used as more of the play making guy with down field , reverses, quick screens, etc. I in no way think MB will be Brandon Marshall or put up numbers like him. I think Brown only gets 55-70 targets this year. So i don't see huge numbers from him, i just think he'll consistently be a strong chain mover and be a large part of the red zone offense.

[DomMcRaven]

I never said Brown would play like Marshall. That's crazy imo i said he would be used like Trestman used Marshall. BM was used as much more of a possession type WR from all 3 positions while Jeffrey was used as more of the play making guy with down field , reverses, quick screens, etc. I in no way think MB will be Brandon Marshall or put up numbers like him. I think Brown only gets 55-70 targets this year. So i don't see huge numbers from him, i just think he'll consistently be a strong chain mover and be a large part of the red zone offense.

MB (Marlon Brown) is BM (Brandon Marshall) reversed. So yes I think Marlon Brown is the next Brandon Marshall. Lol.