Thoughts on Trestman

[Blackbirds Rule]

I like him and think he'll play to Joe's strengths a little more than Kubiak did.

[berad]

Interesting that he'll be an X receiver. From what I know, it's somewhat rare for rookies to come in as an X, since the X is more likely to face press coverage. Also, the X receiver is usually the offense's star receiver, according to Pat Kirwan's book Take Your Eyes off the Ball. High expectations I guess.

 

Didn't see this - it's already been a month since May, yeesh how time flies.

 

That is really interesting: wonder if that was SSS's 'new role' that Harbaugh alluded to - not being the #1. Perriman's been roasting our own rookie CB in OTAs, hope it carries over into TC and beyond.

[Ravensfan23]

I like him and think he'll play to Joe's strengths a little more than Kubiak did.

Agree 100%

[Ravensfan23]

Didn't see this - it's already been a month since May, yeesh how time flies.

 

That is really interesting: wonder if that was SSS's 'new role' that Harbaugh alluded to - not being the #1. Perriman's been roasting our own rookie CB in OTAs, hope it carries over into TC and beyond.

I'm hearing the biggest difference between Perriman and Torrey is that Perriman is showing to be a much better possession WR and has stronger hands. As a person who didn't see much of Perriman in college this goes against everything i was led to believe about him. In terms of SR, I'm hearing the plan for him is to have him work more out of the slot this year which is sick for defenses.

I've said plenty of times how just basing everything about Trestman on what happened in Chicago was a mistake on my end, but i definitely think Perriman will be used as close to Alshon Jeffery as possible.

[izvoodoo]

I'm hearing the biggest difference between Perriman and Torrey is that Perriman is showing to be a much better possession WR and has stronger hands. As a person who didn't see much of Perriman in college this goes against everything i was led to believe about him. In terms of SR, I'm hearing the plan for him is to have him work more out of the slot this year which is sick for defenses.

I've said plenty of times how just basing everything about Trestman on what happened in Chicago was a mistake on my end, but i definitely think Perriman will be used as close to Alshon Jeffery as possible.

Perriman is a pretty big receiver.  6'2 212 lbs is big for a guy with his speed.  

[Ravensfan23]

Perriman is a pretty big receiver.  6'2 212 lbs is big for a guy with his speed.

Yea i hold off on NFL comparisons because i didn't know much about him in college and even now it's not real football as we say, but I'm really excited about the prospects of this guy being a complete WR.

With his speed DBs will most likely respect him with off coverage, especially if he uses his strength to beat press. That means that 7-12 yard area is basically there for the taking every time for he and Flacco. One of my biggest concerns with Torrey was that Flacco just couldn't trust him enough on those routes. If Perriman becomes a threat at every level we could have the combination of the physicality of Boldin, the speed of Torrey and the overall reliability of Mason. Hopefully he adopts that take no prisoners approach of Smitty. Now obviously those are some HUGE shoes for that young man to fill, so I'm either foolish or just extremely excited for the new season, but if Perriman can even come close to filling those shoes, he and Flacco will create magic together.

[stampedehero]

Trestman's offenses have a history of abandoning the run. We'll see if the trend continues.

 

We have zilch. We have an old as dirt Steve Smith and three number three receivers who might not pan out. Fans are putting too much confidence in a group of receivers that had a combined 58 catches last year. I like them, but they are zilch until they prove they can get 58 individual catches, not combined. 

Trestman may have his offense scheme but the run throw balance is all Harbaugh

[stampedehero]

It partly comes down to the fact that the Ravens don't have many options. SSS really shouldn't be the top guy again, we saw last year that he slowed down a bit as the season went on. Brown hasn't dealt with press coverage all that well in the past, and Camp is a slot receiver. It's between Perriman and Aiken, so they're giving the big play receiver his shot at being the top guy.

I'm hoping Waller is in the mix.

[DomMcRaven]

I agree that Lewis is milking Tampa 2 defense on Joe and he knew if he takes Joe's deep pass away, he is in good position to make turnovers.  When we have healthy Pitta and Boldin, Joe is comfortable in the pocket cuz Tampa 2 is vulnerable to TE attack and short passes to physical receiver. 

 

Tampa 2 defense is a killer to Cam's offense and I think that's part of the reason Joe was struggling against Marvin. 

 

If we have big bodied TE with good hands, we can use 2 TE set to tear up the Tampa 2 or having quick small WR with great route running ability to gain some junks underneath.

 

NE is killing the Bengals cuz of that.

 

Well shoot. No wonder why Flacco struggles against Cincy....especially in Cincy. Now that we seem to have the big bodied TEs, I expect Flacco to have a better performance than he usually does. However, that's contingent on the development of our young TEs by week 3 and then again in the season finale.

[Static]

Trestman may have his offense scheme but the run throw balance is all Harbaugh

 

Is trestman not calling plays?

[Guest]

Trestman's offenses have a history of abandoning the run. We'll see if the trend continues.

 

We have zilch. We have an old as dirt Steve Smith and three number three receivers who might not pan out. Fans are putting too much confidence in a group of receivers that had a combined 58 catches last year. I like them, but they are zilch until they prove they can get 58 individual catches, not combined. 

 

Agree entirely. 

 

Marlon Brown and Aiken have no dibbs on being number 2 and Steve Smith really is not a current year number 1.

 

It's still wide open. By week 8 the Ravens will have receivers starting no one dreamed of.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

yeah, because you know more than Flacco and the coaches, hmmmmmm??

I know this comment was from before the draft... But us drafting WR and TE in the 1st 2 rounds shows that the FO felt we needed an influx of talent because there wasn't enough.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think the offense will be better this year. Not only do we have more talent at the skill positions, but with Castillo and returning all 5 starters on the line we should be able to carry over the success of Kubiaks run game.

And I think Trestman is a better fit to get the most out if our passing game. If Pitta is healthy we have legitimately 3-4 weapons at TE with Gillmore really shining so far.

Then our WR's sound like they're having a field day. Sr will do his thing. Aiken is catching everything. Perriman they can't jam at the line, is getting over top with his speed and is showing ability to work the underneath stuff when they give cushion to protect against the deep ball. The knock on his hands seems like a distant memory at this point.

This will be our best offense in history.

[stampedehero]

Is trestman not calling plays?

I see it where the head coach can evaluate his opposition based on their statistical ability to stop the run or have a weak secondary from prior game vid sessions.  The total percentage between the run and pass is planned duriing the week prior to the game.  

[JEEPercreepermd]

I think it's a little misleading to say that he was brought in to run the same offense that Kubiak ran.

It's more or less because his offense is a west coast offense, and I think last season was a VIOLA! Moment when Flacco took a step forward in a quick hitting type of system. Since it's still a west coast system, I'm sure a lot of the concepts will stay the same, but there will be a new look about it.

Hopefully, it's a smooth transition and Trestman tries to utilize Flacco's down field capability a little more than Kubiak did now that we've got Perrin who is going to be a stud.

Edited June 10, 2015 by JEEPercreepermd

[beasy2487]

I think it's a little misleading to say that he was brought in to run the same offense that Kubiak ran.

It's more or less because his offense is a west coast offense, and I think last season was a VIOLA! Moment when Flacco took a step forward in a quick hitting type of system. Since it's still a west coast system, I'm sure a lot of the concepts will stay the same, but there will be a new look about it.

Hopefully, it's a smooth transition and Trestman tries to utilize Flacco's down field capability a little more than Kubiak did now that we've got Perrin who is going to be a stud.

I've always preferred the cello.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I see it where the head coach can evaluate his opposition based on their statistical ability to stop the run or have a weak secondary from prior game vid sessions. The total percentage between the run and pass is planned duriing the week prior to the game.

I disagree entirely.

I think they have an idea of how they want to attack a certain defense during the week... But come game day they use what works and the plays are called on a down by down basis. Adjustments are made according to how the game is going.

I guarantee they don't get together and say ok, their run D is weak so were going to run 55% of the time and pass 45%. And then during the game late in the 4th were at 52% run so, oh shoot let's run the ball 4 times in a row so we hit 55%!

[RaineV1]

Harbaugh made it pretty clear he would not be happy about abandoning the run game. While he won't be calling the plays, I'm sure he'd have words with Trestman if it seemed like the offense was giving up on run game after game. Also, Trestman comes from a team where bad things continued to happen due to their lack of a running game recently. I'm pretty sure he wants a more balanced offense this time around.

[Edgar]

What remains to be seen is if we continue to be an offense that runs the football. I think the fear is that we go pass happy and the suspicion is that Trestman, for all his expertise, will not be the situational play caller that Kubiak is.

I think the variable(s) that suggest something will be different are Castillo and Harbaugh. Those guys know how we ran the football and how we need to run it to win.

[Guest Omerta]

This is the point in time in the season where I always tend to be more pessimistic than optimistic because I do not want to be disappointed and this year is no different. I really put no faith in what the coaches say because if you go around the league just about every coach in the country has a team that is half full of pro bowl players. Ours is no different, I mean even Matt Elam is getting rave reviews, if the kid has improved 10 fold  we still have a career special teamer. 

 

As to Trestman nobody knows. I am not expecting much because, well, we are Baltimore. We are not allowed to have a consistently good offense, it is against the rules. This is always a mixed bag because you truly have no idea how players are going to adjust to roles, how roles, fit players, how coaches run schemes, call plays on Sunday's I mean the variables are astronomical. Remember that one dude named Cam Cameron. We hired him in almost the EXACT same situation as Trestman. He got hired because he put together a prolific offense given tools such LT (may be the greatest RB ever), a TE named Antonio Gates, Receivers like Vincent Jackson, and Phillip Rivers in his prime. I mean, how he put together a dynamic offense with that is incomprehensible. Thought he could be a HC and FLOPPED, then he was on the OC market again. Then they both walk into OC positions where they dont have the same talent on offense and people are expecting way too much. I am apprehensive about this, I think it could be very good or very bad and it will probably be somewhere in the middle. WE will probably be a few spots behind last year but not by a huge margin imo.

 

As to the receivers I am actually really optimistic. I know Ozzie likes to have at least that one veteran but I am so glad that we have finally committed to going with the younger guys and not snapped up a guy like Welker that we may have in previous years. I really think Kamar Aiken, Marlong Brown, and Breshad Perriman could be a good WR corps in the future for us, especially if SSS teaches them the subtle nuances of the game. Lets not forget about Bobby Engram who seems to be coaching WR's better than anybody in Baltimore History. Couple that with our TE's and I think that we have enough weapons where that should not be an excuse this year and for sure not next year. 

 

I guess I can see why so many are excited but, I also think that being more pragmatic is the way to go here and annointing this a top 10 offense at the moment is a sure fire way to be disappointed. 

[JetLife94]

I like trestman. Not a loud mouth. I think he was mentored west coast offense by bill Walsh. The only difference in the offense will be screens and a more diverse receiver group . Imo

[K-Dog]

Am I the only one who thinks Marc Trestman looks like 70's ( or was it 80's by then ? )

rocker Donnie Iris ?

Edited June 12, 2015 by K-Dog

[TXRavensFan]

Am I the only one who thinks Marc Trestman looks like 70's ( or was it 80's by then ? )

rocker Donnie Iris ?

 

 

I think that was really early 80s...and lol now that you mention it there is quite a resemblance:

 

    

[BmoreBird22]

Harbaugh made it pretty clear he would not be happy about abandoning the run game. While he won't be calling the plays, I'm sure he'd have words with Trestman if it seemed like the offense was giving up on run game after game. Also, Trestman comes from a team where bad things continued to happen due to their lack of a running game recently. I'm pretty sure he wants a more balanced offense this time around.

This may be a far out there thought, but using the passing game as an extension of the passing game is a possibility. Swing passes and screens to Forsett, who is a very good receiver, could suffice for the running game when the actual running game is not working.

[CalvinSmoke]

This may be a far out there thought, but using the passing game as an extension of the passing game is a possibility. Swing passes and screens to Forsett, who is a very good receiver, could suffice for the running game when the actual running game is not working.

that is the basic concept of the original west coast offense.

[K-Dog]

I think that was really early 80s...and lol now that you mention it there is quite a resemblance

I checked. The song was released in 1980.

[peppy57]

The big delta is the players, a great OC with bad players can do ok, a bad OC with great players can do ok, a good OC with great players can win it all

[Static]

This may be a far out there thought, but using the passing game as an extension of the passing game is a possibility. Swing passes and screens to Forsett, who is a very good receiver, could suffice for the running game when the actual running game is not working.

 

That is perfect for Joe. Joe has always been a rhythm Quarterback and when he can't find a rhythm the passing game dies but when he starts dealing , taking what is given and spreading the ball...Elite things happens.

[Ravensfan23]

This may be a far out there thought, but using the passing game as an extension of the passing game is a possibility. Swing passes and screens to Forsett, who is a very good receiver, could suffice for the running game when the actual running game is not working.

That's not far out there, in fact it's right on point because that's exactly what Trestman's offense does. The 2-4 yard pass to the RB is designed to help the offense stay on track and give the QB a few safe throws to get back on track. People in fear of Trestman abandoning the run shouldn't be. The numbers might say he abandoned the run but it's not true. He runs his offense through the QB. So a play action pass to the RB or HB for 4yds is just as productive if not moreso in his offense as a run play that produced 4 yards.

The problem is if you throw that quick pass to the RB and pick up those short yards but your QB doesn't make good reads on 2nd and 3rd forcing a punt, fans will just look at it as 3 straight passes that resulted in a unsuccessful drive.

If things go the way i think, expect to see Joe have a huge season. Career highs in completion%, TDs and Passer Rating.

[BmoreBird22]

That's not far out there, in fact it's right on point because that's exactly what Trestman's offense does. The 2-4 yard pass to the RB is designed to help the offense stay on track and give the QB a few safe throws to get back on track. People in fear of Trestman abandoning the run shouldn't be. The numbers might say he abandoned the run but it's not true. He runs his offense through the QB. So a play action pass to the RB or HB for 4yds is just as productive if not moreso in his offense as a run play that produced 4 yards.

The problem is if you throw that quick pass to the RB and pick up those short yards but your QB doesn't make good reads on 2nd and 3rd forcing a punt, fans will just look at it as 3 straight passes that resulted in a unsuccessful drive.

If things go the way i think, expect to see Joe have a huge season. Career highs in completion%, TDs and Passer Rating.

I'm definitely expecting 30+ touchdowns. Kubiak was way too conservative in the red zone, but Trestman is going to see he has some really big receivers and want to throw some jump balls