Thoughts on Trestman

[The Raven]

Whoa there!  All one has to do is look at Matt Forte's output when Trestman got to Chicago.  He has his best seasons in 2013-14 and even had his 2nd Pro Bowl nod.  

 

Also I wouldn't go as far as to say that we have zilch at WR either.  First, there's Steve Smith Sr.  Second, in the limited sample size we've seen from Marlon Brown, Kamar Aiken and Crockett Gillmore they showed tremendous potential.  in 2014 they had a combined 3 drops in 58 receptions (had 0,1,2 drops respectively).  In comparison, Smith Sr, Torrey and Daniels had 19 in 176 (Smith Sr. had 10).

 

That's 0.5% from the "zilches" vs 10.8% from the old guard.  Add in Joe's stated confidence in them and I think there is nothing to fear in 2015 with or without drafting an elite rookie in the 1st round. 

 

Trestman's offenses have a history of abandoning the run. We'll see if the trend continues.

 

We have zilch. We have an old as dirt Steve Smith and three number three receivers who might not pan out. Fans are putting too much confidence in a group of receivers that had a combined 58 catches last year. I like them, but they are zilch until they prove they can get 58 individual catches, not combined. 

[A Fish Called Yanda]

I'm hopeful that since we'll be running a similar offense to last year's that our guys will have had time to settle in and learn the ropes.  Last year's offense we phenomenal (though still at times rather frustrating).  I think Trestman will do a good job, and as was stated before, hopefully after his stint in Chicago he won't be on anyone's head coach list any time soon.

 

As for receivers - I think we have a glaring hole that needs to be addressed.  This board is way too high on our receiving corps.

[Bmore#410]

Lets add:  You can't have a successful QB,RB and WR corp without a solid O line. That parameter should be included in the overall views.  Your O line is either good and anticipates or they let the QB get the hits. I knew Cutler ate plenty of turf last year.

I agree footballl starts with the o-line and line is solid and can pass protect as well create holes in the running game. juan castillo is the o-line coach trestman is the oc so i dont really no how you got on the subject of the o-line. Trestman will do what he is told he wasnt brought here to create or install his offense. It was to mimic kubs system and he knows football I like the hire. I hope offense comes out homming against denver in game 1. If he we get shane ray or randy gregory on the field with sizz and doom with healthy corners. We are going to be tough to beat.

[cushrinada1986]

marc seems to do some of his best work in the shotgun, I think Flacco could really do well in an offense that may bring in bigger WR's and also allows him to see more of the field( like Brady in those 5 WR plays). I think with an arm like that, giving flacco a full look of the field and ability to really let it go with more WR on the field could really help the offense. 

[cushrinada1986]

marc seems to do some of his best work in the shotgun, I think Flacco could really do well in an offense that may bring in bigger WR's and also allows him to see more of the field( like Brady in those 5 WR plays). I think with an arm like that, giving flacco a full look of the field and ability to really let it go with more WR on the field could really help the offense. 

[Static]

marc seems to do some of his best work in the shotgun, I think Flacco could really do well in an offense that may bring in bigger WR's and also allows him to see more of the field( like Brady in those 5 WR plays). I think with an arm like that, giving flacco a full look of the field and ability to really let it go with more WR on the field could really help the offense. 

 

Flacco has always been statically excellent in the shotgun but in 2013 we didnt have the O-line for it and in 2014 Kubiak decided against it.

[mhead66]

The posted articles had several links, and I read a half dozen articles discussing Trestman and his coaching.  Virtually every article, from his days in Chicago, Miami, Minnesota, Oakland, North Carolina State and the CFL said the same thing about Trestman - he was a brilliant mind, a real "Xs and Os" offensive mind, but he seriously struggled relating to players as people, as individuals.  For example, the Bears' players were all excited when he was initially hired for their O coordinator, but...  later, his players didn't mourn his departure.

 

Flacco IS a mature QB, only needing offensive direction, so perhaps it will work out - only time will tell.

[Tenacious Faulker]

Trestman's offenses have a history of abandoning the run. We'll see if the trend continues.

We have zilch. We have an old as dirt Steve Smith and three number three receivers who might not pan out. Fans are putting too much confidence in a group of receivers that had a combined 58 catches last year. I like them, but they are zilch until they prove they can get 58 individual catches, not combined.

yeah, because you know more than Flacco and the coaches, hmmmmmm??

[BmoreBird22]

yeah, because you know more than Flacco and the coaches, hmmmmmm??

What exactly do you want the coaches to say? Do you want them to say, "Yeah, we have nothing at receiver and we're really in a rut here." Joe Flacco would probably have said he loved his receivers and line in 2013, but would that actually mean that they were great?

[The Raven]

yeah, because you know more than Flacco and the coaches, hmmmmmm??

So, my bringing up the lack of experience and production of Aiken, Brown, and Camp is.... irrational? Lol! How's life behind the purple shades?

[BmoreBird22]

Trestman's offenses have a history of abandoning the run. We'll see if the trend continues.

 

We have zilch. We have an old as dirt Steve Smith and three number three receivers who might not pan out. Fans are putting too much confidence in a group of receivers that had a combined 58 catches last year. I like them, but they are zilch until they prove they can get 58 individual catches, not combined. 

I think people fail to understand just how much it changes things to be promoted to a full time starter. First, you're not being rotated in to packages that specifically fit your skill set, given the down and distance. You have to work with any given down and distance, anywhere on the field. Secondly, you're starting to see better competition at cornerback. Does no one think it would make a difference to face Revis or to face someone like Chykie Brown if they were on the same team? 

 

I really hope the receivers step up, but I certainly hope the Ravens aren't putting all their eggs into one basket with these guys.

[Tenacious Faulker]

What exactly do you want the coaches to say? Do you want them to say, "Yeah, we have nothing at receiver and we're really in a rut here." Joe Flacco would probably have said he loved his receivers and line in 2013, but would that actually mean that they were great?

 

 

So, my bringing up the lack of experience and production of Aiken, Brown, and Camp is.... irrational? Lol! How's life behind the purple shades?

Ever hear the phrase:  In Ozzie We Trust?  Maybe you guys are the expection?  We ALL wear Purple shades to some degree.  If you didn't you're a pretty pathetic fan and, trust me, I have been critical of the team on many issues.  

 

But it STILL astounds me that anyone on these boards or else where thinks they know more than the guys living it 24/7/365.  All this makes you is a critic:  Sacrificing nothing yet questioning everything tho' not even remotely qualified.  It's a cowardly stance.  Anyone can be a doubter.  No experience is required.

 

Not that I think it will change a pessimistic mind, but it bears saying that the front office has insider knowledge and info and a plan.  All fans can do is pretend.

 

You can look at Perriman's pick as vindication if you like, but knowing that Ozzie perennially chooses BPA in the 1st & 2nd rounds every year you can rest assured that Perriman is an enhancement, not a pick of desparation.  

[BmoreBird22]

You can look at Perriman's pick as vindication if you like, but knowing that Ozzie perennially chooses BPA in the 1st & 2nd rounds every year you can rest assured that Perriman is an enhancement, not a pick of desparation.  

I'm going to shorten this, but no, Perriman wasn't a pick of desperation. The Ravens said he was player 14 on their draft board, which after Dupree, Peters, and Johnson came off, was the easy BPA.

 

However, I will again point you in the direction of 2013. The Ravens probably would have said they were happy with their 2013 roster on offense, despite knowing Jacoby had never lived up to being a starting receiver and the fact that Gino literally hadn't shown anything to that point, so they were really just putting a lot of faith in young guys to step up.

This year, before the Perriman pick, fans were getting excited because they thought Jeremy Butler would get a big role. Would you feel comfortable just giving Butler a big role after he went undrafted and was on IR last season? I wouldn't and I don't think the Ravens would, either.

 

With the salary cap and the Ravens spending up to the limit quite often, it's very difficult to fill very hole with a high quality starter and I truly think the Ravens know that they're going to have weaknesses, such as at receiver prior to this pick, and they made a conscious choice to sacrifice that and have in recent years. The Ravens give the least value into drafting wide receivers and never really went hard in on one in free agency. 

 

Again, I love the Ravens, but that doesn't mean they're a perfect roster or didn't have some weaknesses. 

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

I wouldn't be surprised if Trestman played a role in us drafting Perriman. He's gotten used to having big bodied freaks at receiver from his time in Chicago with Jeffrey, Marshall, and Bennett.

[Dubs]

I wouldn't be surprised if Trestman played a role in us drafting Perriman. He's gotten used to having big bodied freaks at receiver from his time in Chicago with Jeffrey, Marshall, and Bennett.

When he was with the Montreal Allouttes he had some pretty big guys on the outside too--He did a really good job of developing them when he was there so I am excited to see how our guys develop. They all seem to fit him really well. I am guessing this year we will have a lot of situational and player specific packages to get guys on the field when needed as Aiken, Brown, Camp, and Perriman all are extremely different in terms of skill set and I don't see us doing a ton of 3 or 4 wide

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

When he was with the Montreal Allouttes he had some pretty big guys on the outside too--He did a really good job of developing them when he was there so I am excited to see how our guys develop. They all seem to fit him really well. I am guessing this year we will have a lot of situational and player specific packages to get guys on the field when needed as Aiken, Brown, Camp, and Perriman all are extremely different in terms of skill set and I don't see us doing a ton of 3 or 4 wide

True. Wouldn't be surprised to see us trade for a 3rd or a 4th for Bennett this weekend, too as a result of him having ties to Trestman.

[redlobster]

True. Wouldn't be surprised to see us trade for a 3rd or a 4th for Bennett this weekend, too as a result of him having ties to Trestman.

 

I'd prefer a late 4th or late 5th for Bennett as his contract will have to be re-worked to appease him.

[Static]

How come Trestman hasn't addressed the Perrimen pick yet?

[berad]

How come Trestman hasn't addressed the Perrimen pick yet?

 

Is that usual for a coordinator to comment on a draft pick the day after?

[Static]

Is that usual for a coordinator to comment on a draft pick the day after?

 

I think its unusual for a new coordinator to not comment on the Big new shiny 1st round weapon we just got him.

[The Raven]

Is that usual for a coordinator to comment on a draft pick the day after?

 

From what I remember, yes, it is usual. I remember that Chuck Pagano was talking about Jimmy Smith the very next day, if not the night of the draft.

[berad]

From what I remember, yes, it is usual. I remember that Chuck Pagano was talking about Jimmy Smith the very next day, if not the night of the draft.

 

 

I think its unusual for a new coordinator to not comment on the Big new shiny 1st round weapon we just got him.

 

Engram talked about him, said he has great potential and will line up as the X receiver. Not Trestman but that's what I found from Aaron Wilson's twitter feed.

[The Raven]

Engram talked about him, said he has great potential and will line up as the X receiver. Not Trestman but that's what I found from Aaron Wilson's twitter feed.

 

Interesting that he'll be an X receiver. From what I know, it's somewhat rare for rookies to come in as an X, since the X is more likely to face press coverage. Also, the X receiver is usually the offense's star receiver, according to Pat Kirwan's book Take Your Eyes off the Ball. High expectations I guess.

[Bltravens]

I think its unusual for a new coordinator to not comment on the Big new shiny 1st round weapon we just got him.

Trestman is a pretty soft spoken guy.  Not really the type to wade into anything unless called upon or he feels his place.  He would have talked to Perriman 1 on 1 and that's enough for Trestman.

[RaineV1]

Interesting that he'll be an X receiver. From what I know, it's somewhat rare for rookies to come in as an X, since the X is more likely to face press coverage. Also, the X receiver is usually the offense's star receiver, according to Pat Kirwan's book Take Your Eyes off the Ball. High expectations I guess.

It partly comes down to the fact that the Ravens don't have many options. SSS really shouldn't be the top guy again, we saw last year that he slowed down a bit as the season went on. Brown hasn't dealt with press coverage all that well in the past, and Camp is a slot receiver. It's between Perriman and Aiken, so they're giving the big play receiver his shot at being the top guy.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

The more and more I hear about him I like me some Trestman.

[The Mom Gene]

The more and more I hear about him I like me some Trestman.

Me too 

[January J]

my opinion has also changed a bit- liking him more and more as OTAs go on.

[Ravensfan23]

I say stop all the positive reports on Trestman and hype up one of our young coaches. lol I say that only because I don't won't another one and done situation. One of the reasons I really supported the Trestman selection was because I thought his HC opportunities would be dried up and he'd be a long term solution for us. However, people love to pick over Ravens coaches so we'll see. 

 

I've been saying for years, put Flacco in a offense that can grow around him for at least 3 years and watch him dominate the NFL. Well now, you have two young impressive RBs in LT and Buck, 3 young TEs in Maxx, Crocket and Boyle, some good young talent on the oline and a host of young WRs who seem to love playing "for" Flacco. The most important thing is the offensive system. I would hope Trestman can stay around for a while and build that same relationship with Flacco that Moore had with Peyton or that Belicheck has with Brady. Baltimore talks about it often, but I don't think the NFL has taken notice to how much change Flacco has had to deal with in his career and how much continuity means to the QB position.

[Runnin Raven]

I say stop all the positive reports on Trestman and hype up one of our young coaches. lol I say that only because I don't won't another one and done situation. One of the reasons I really supported the Trestman selection was because I thought his HC opportunities would be dried up and he'd be a long term solution for us. However, people love to pick over Ravens coaches so we'll see. 

 

I've been saying for years, put Flacco in a offense that can grow around him for at least 3 years and watch him dominate the NFL. Well now, you have two young impressive RBs in LT and Buck, 3 young TEs in Maxx, Crocket and Boyle, some good young talent on the oline and a host of young WRs who seem to love playing "for" Flacco. The most important thing is the offensive system. I would hope Trestman can stay around for a while and build that same relationship with Flacco that Moore had with Peyton or that Belicheck has with Brady. Baltimore talks about it often, but I don't think the NFL has taken notice to how much change Flacco has had to deal with in his career and how much continuity means to the QB position.

Really great post!  Couldn't agree more about Joe and the change he's dealt with (and thrived in throughout).  Doesn't get much more radical than firing your OC right before your SB run.

Edited June 9, 2015 by Runnin Raven